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Hillary Clinton is still a capitalistΒ imperialist scumbag politician. Are you American? If so, I've a suggestion for you for next year: DON'T VOTE!Related content
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Wasnt it Einstein who said when you fully understand something, is when you can simplify it? Or am I miss remembering things?
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I don't know that quote so I'm not sure.
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Fair enough.Β
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It's not doing good; it's doing less bad. And even if he if gets into power he doesn't really have to power to change.. well anything. Let's be real the POTUS doesn't have a lot of power to change things.
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I guess I can get that to a degree, but he has stated (even before he got into politics) that he wanted money out of politics. He is far more likely to reduce corruption in the country, than someone like Trump, Bush, or Clinton.Β
He also wants to give free healthcare for everyone, a single payer system, and end a whole lot of the wars overseas. He would be a lot less bad for the country than pretty much every other major candidate.Β
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"he has stated"
You say that like it means anything. And it's literally impossible to get money out of politics. And I think I've said this before but the POTUS doesn't really have that much power to begin with.
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Well, getting it to be federally funded, rather than funded by anonymous corporations and super funds, would be far better, and easier to control. I get why you disagree (I think...) and I just think it would be too bad to give up hope. I know that you, seemingly being a revolutionary, rather than an evolutionary socialist, seems to be far more skeptical of those who wish to change the system from within, rather than take it over completely. And you have every right to be. I just think it is far better, to have several small changes over a long period of time, that ends up doing good in the world, rather than a revolution. It sadly often ends with a lot of good people dead and gone, and also often ends up giving a dictator the power, rather than the people. Also, they have the tanks. They have the drones. They have the air craft carriers. "We", don't. If we tried to take over the governments of the world, to then bring down the tyranny once and for all... if we then fail... which is likely, all would be lost. Then, they would have an army of clones and robot soldiers and spy devices before we would go back to anything resembling the numbers we would need for a second try... But, if we make the gears turn against them... if we take it bit, by bit, and make changes that ends discrimination, gives voting rights, feeds the starving, and clothes the cold... the people can be on our side. Many already are. We can still do it... it is just a long, hard marathon, rather than a 100m sprint through a minefield, hoping to get through to the other side. I haven't given up hope. And I don't plan to. And yes, you should have every right to completely disagree with me, and no, nothing was intended to insult you, or the like.Β
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they can certainly be tied to the collapse of the American left by moving the democrats to the center Β
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The democrats have always been center.
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Not always Roosevelt was very much a leftist allowing socialists in politics, building back america with social programs and allowing the unions to strengthen again. Bill Clinton say what you want left office with a surplus and got a bit of peace out of the middle east for a small bit, was he perfect, of course not but considering what he left with and what people like bush did to it, he's much more preferable. Still hopping for Bernie Sanders a true leftist for the US.
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Why because stating opinions about politics is bad. Sorry to say but options are like assholes, everyone has one and most people don't like them.
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Bernie isn't a fucking leftist. sorry not sorry
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Compared to everyone he very much is in the left. For 30 years he's stayed in line whit his ideals, in vermont even conservative voters love him because he's honest and knows whats wrong.Β
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Conservative voters love him and you call him left. Nice.
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They like him because he's honest and fights the right battle, And I was mostly saying Vermont conservatives and conservatives that are similar to people like Eisenhower, you know people who want to CONSERVE. And on the political spectrum he's the most left on the presidential playing field as of now.Β
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Why not vote for Bernie Sanders? He is a self proclaimed socialist, and actually seem to want to do good and decent things. Like provide free collage for all, and paying for it, by wall street taxes, only.Β
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He's a social democrat and a zionist. Not someone I'd call a socialist. Don't vote.
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Really you're not going to vote for him because he doesn't specifically believe in certain ideology, sorry to say he's the best man running for presidency, someone this nation needs.
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I'm not gonna vote because there is no alternative.
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It's literately just a vote, note voting because of that reason to me is just dam lazy. If we really want to change this country we need to get our asses in the voting booths.Β
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You change things hrough protest, not parlimentaryism.
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Sorry to say protest may help but in the US right now we need progressives and leftists to get off their ass's and to the booths.Β
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Protest DOES help. It's the ONLY thing that helps.
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Did I or did I not say it helps, but the thing that we need to do is vote, were taking back our democracy that for years has been bent over and fucked by the rich.Β
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You. Are. Delusional.
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You. Are. Annoying.
I'm being practical if we have to vote to get our man in we'll vote, it isn't that hard for most.Β
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You're not being practical. Vote if you want but the point is that it doesn't matter.
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Unfortunately wether he actually will be is uncertain, remember Obama's election and how he was moving for change?
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He's not letting the corporations take control of him, he's sticking to the the American people. Of course he probably will get a lot of commotion by the Republicans in Congress if he dose become president but if we can win back a majority that problem can decrease.Β
Also say what you want about Obama, me personally I think he's ok, but taking the whole of his presidency he's, killed Bin Laden, ended the Iraq war (even though were on the verge of going back.) Decided not to intervene in Syria and Ukraine, got the healthcare act past and while not the best is a step in the right direction, he was the first president to openly support the LGBTs fight for marriage equality, repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell so openly gay people can fight in the army, and soon will be repealing the bann on transgender soldiers. He also got the economy back on its feat (even if most the profit went to corporations) And finally the Nuclear deal with Iran to slow down their Nuclear program. All in all to me he isn't horrible Β but he isn't the best, he's average, and i'll look back on him as such.Β
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Yeah, maybe Obama isn't a good example to bring up, mainly because he was more of a Liberal than an actual leftist (Or at least less left wing than Sanders or other Reformist Socialists that set out to establish Socialist or Social Democratic Economics through Parliamentary Politics.). A much better example would be SYRIZA of Greece that started off as a Left WingΒ Anti-Austerity Coalition Party but ended up capitulating to the EU and agreeing to a series of proposals even worse than originally proposed (libcom.org/blog/turning-no-yesβ¦ ). Β And there are many more example to go from of Left-Wing Parties coming to power and then ultimately going back on their Promises and Beliefs.Β
There's a piece by an An Anarchist FAQ on why Reformism and Voting for Radical or at the very least Centre Left Parties, although admittedly a lesser evil when compared to more Right-Wing NeoLiberal Alternatives, should be rejected by Anarchists and Libertarian Socialists in favour of Direct Action (Β anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/sβ¦ ) I will quote the last part just to summarise it;Β
"As we argued in theΒ previous section , radical parties are under pressure from economic and state bureaucracies that ensure that even a sincere radical party would be powerless to introduce significant reforms. The only real response to the problems of representative democracy is to urge people not to vote. Such anti-election campaigns can be a valuable way of making others aware of the limitations of the current system, which is a necessary condition for their seriously considering the anarchist alternative of using direct action and building alternative social and economic organisations. The implications of abstentionism are discussed in theΒ next section ."
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I never stated he was leftist, he's definitely center right, but comparable he's better than if we were to get Mcaine or Rommeny. I was simply stating the things he's done right. While it wasn't the amount of change he made it sound like we did get some. But it's kind of hard to change when the republicans shut down the government and take control of the senate and congress :/
When it come to the republicans and democrats I found a great slogan for the democrats.
"Join us were lame but the Republicans are nuts!"Β
And I also found a good slogan for the Republicans, combining their dislike of food lableing and there protection the the estate tax/
"Eat Shit and Die"
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Well isn't a social democrat, better than a psychotic ultra capitalist? (As in every single republican candidate since the time of Roosevelt ever.)
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Bernie won't be president but even if he is, he won't be able to change shit. American politics are controlled by the capitalist class. But sure, I guess he'd be like 2 degrees better. Still don't vote; it shows you're complicit.
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I'm not even from the US, but if I was, I would still vote for the one that was better. And I know things like that sucks, that is why people like us, who wants a better society, to give to things like the Wolf Pack. An organisation, dedicated to making it a US amendment to get money out of politics. Period. As in, no more legal bribery. Sure, there would still be the illegal kind, but then it could not be this obvious, and it would be a lot harder to funnel billions of dollars into the pockets of corrupt politicians, if it was illegal. Then the honest few would almost have as much power as the corrupt.Β
If an action could do good, to not do it, is either evil, cowardice, or insanity. And I refuse to commit to either of those three. We gotta help out the good ones, or at least the least s**t ones. I don't care about who is holding the banner they are under, as long as more people, will be treated better, because of that damn person holding the banner, then who cares?Β
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Well, like Malcolm X said:Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VL5Obβ¦
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I see things differently than him on this issue. If we can convince someone to give people better living conditions, than they had before, that is better. It gets us closer to our goal of a fairer and better society. A small step, is better than standing still.Β
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Voting isn't what convinces politicians though. What convinces politicians is protest.
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Occupy. Enough said. Good people, wanting good things. They were crushed. We use their own system against them, then we get good bits, one at a time. Yes, its slower, but it works in most chases.Β
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Do you not think occupy's had results? Do you not think previous mass protests and strikes have had results? Why do you think we have the 8 hour work day and the weekend?
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I'm not saying they didn't get results. But the Tea party got absorbed by the republicans, and the Occupy movement got pretty much ignored to death. Or "death" I should say.Β
Since Regan, corruption has basically been legal, and that has tightened the rights of people, and given more opportunities to take them away from both people, and unions.Β
I'm not arguing that protesting never got results, or that they are "wasting their time" far from it. Its awesome to see good people, standing up and stating their mind. What is a problem, is the corrupt could just tell the media, or whomever, to put them in bad light, and they are toast.Β
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