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This is a joke to make fun of fascism. If you don't have a sense of humor, go away
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It's allowed if we include Evil Goatee Spock.
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Damnit, now I can't unsee Patrick Stewart playing Adolf Hitler! Β Lol.
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I have to admit I'd love to see a fic based on this, but centered on the perspective of the various non human Trek races.
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that's funny.
but well... it doesn't take much to see the federation as the N.W.O. dream.
unelected science based hierarchy, no money, fake food, secular, one world gov't, weather centrally controlled... not allowing "lower races/planets " into the federation for their own good.
a lot happily secular "evolved" ideology etc..
and I loved the show... just saying
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Well, we live in a society in which we view information as an authority over us instead of as a tool to be used. So thus we view people who hold information as authority figures. This is why one of the misconceptions is that your before mentioned list, is the "NWO dream". Its like saying hammers are evil because they can bash someones face in. Humanity is simply too immature to use these tools in a non-destructive way.
All knowledge, regardless of the source of the knowledge, is extremely dangerous to anyone who perceives information as an authority. All knowledge, regardless of the source of the knowledge, can be used as a productive tool when a mature person is thinking critically and not viewing information as an authority.
We live in a society where we completely shun our right to individuality (while acting as if we're defending it but really we're just conformists in denial), we shun everyone else's rights, we try to stick ourselves and others in boxes and apply labels to everyone and everything and really, its nazi ideology. Every tyranny claims to be fighting for freedom.
This is why todays revolutionaries are always tomorrows dictators. They might think they are fighting for freedom. They might have good intentions. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even Hitler had good intentions but then he became co-opted and corrupted. Hitler is a classic "Anikan Skywalker" archetype.
Anikan was worried about losing Padme. Hitler was worried about Germany. Both tried to do the right thing and both got co-opted by the dark side, euphemistically speaking.
So this is why humanity must first have a revolution of THE MIND before it can have one of the body. Otherwise its like putting an 8 year old behind the wheel of a car. There is no such thing as a system of doing anything, that is going to ever work when its run by people who are dysfunctional.
This is one of the points that Star Trek: Enterprise made very clear. It doesn't matter how wonderful of a system you have. If a person isn't ready for it, then its going to get all fucked up.
So yes, a civilization of no money and all sorts of crazy cool technology would work well with a civilization that is mature enough for it. But if they aren't, they're just going to fuck everything up. Monsanto. HAARP. MK-ULTRA. The Cardasians. The Borg. The Romulans. Doesn't matter whether the example of dysfunction thats pointed to is real or fictional, the point is still made.
Any tool put in the hands of someone who is not yet mature enough, will end with disastrous results.
The Globalists are about as mature as a pissed off 3 year old and the rest of us are no better.
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Β well said,
And I agree with a lot of that with some nuanced differences.
I guess the only question I'd have for you is, do you assume that mankind can "mature"? Seems best if we acknowledge that man is man and that's just the way we are. It seems the BEST we can do is find the patterns and systems that cause the least amount of damage, maximize freedoms and promote health and kindness.
This is what i think the founders in the U.S. had most correct. they didn't imagine that man would/could get better or more "enlighten". And seemed to have tried to layout a system where self interest and checks on power from others would hopefully keep the worse from happening. But i think another human factor, our mass laziness about gov't and broad social issues, has done as much as poor systems.
Like an exercise plan, It helps the body... if you do it. But just looking at an execise plan and revereing an excesise plan doesn't do jack. And even excercises plan can be improved or edited ...or cause their own problems. Plus it doesn't mean you'll never get sick. but it is better than doing nothing or using plans known to be counter productive and hurt the body even though "well intended."
the SuperClass aren't even interested in overall health. They are finally murderous and self destructive. implementing some of the worse programs, so folks should rebel, even if imperfectly seems to me.
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Mankind is in the process of maturing right now, because conversations like this would be impossible, otherwise.
The only reason it seems to many as if mankind is not maturing, is because we've all been trained to expect what I call "instant gratification". We think that if we plant the tree seed today, that if its not a 40 foot tree tomorrow, then it must mean that growing trees is an impossibility. Our impatience blinds us more than anything.
What humanity has here, is a big huge mess.
So things are not getting worse, it is simply a matter of fact that our awareness of the mess that has been here for centuries, is increasing. Its like turning on a light in a dark room. When you turn it on, all the mess is now able to be seen. And its not something that we're going to like seeing. But because we don't like it, we get butt hurt and offended, and act as if things are getting worse. No, not worse. Our ability to see the mess that has always been there, is getting better.
So yes, we're gonna have a temper tantrum about it for a little while. Just like a small child faced with something their ego doesn't like. They will cry and cry until they run out of energy for crying and are eventually forced to see that crying accomplishes nothing. Then they are forced to ask themselves what will accomplish something, and then the mind opens more and the learning process resumes.
So as humanity matures and things improve, expect to see a lot of the opposite of that at the same time as we face ourselves and we face the truth. Expect to see a lot of people getting extremely butt hurt and throwing tantrums. Expect to see a lot of people trying to cling to their denial and having an increasingly hard time doing so. Expect new beneficial technologies and improved health, simultaneous to new detrimental technologies combined with sickness and death.
Expect the good and the bad to both continue to increase. And expect to see that some people are only willing to look at the good and ignore the bad, and expect to see that some people are only willing to look at the bad and ignore the good. And expect to watch as both sides see that it keeps getting harder and harder to remain in ignorance. Expect to see many people commit suicide, mainly just through stupid actions and neglect. Not by literally jumping off a bridge or anything. Expect to see more death by paradigms than death by war.
We live in a very exciting time in history where it is equally easy to empower ourselves and fuck ourselves over. You will see BOTH happening at the same time. Both ARE happening at the same time.
Humanity as a whole, will be fine. Its the individual level that can go towards empowerment or destruction. So now is the time to ask what sort of person you want to be and what you are and are not willing to open your mind to and consider doing. These are the choices we all have right now. Some of us will choose wisely. Some of us will destroy ourselves.
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this sounds ok, you say it with some authority. somewhat prophetic even. which is fine. but i suspect you have no guarantees of this. But it's true that predictions of ultimate Doom and of Utopias have all fallen short.
Β I guess, as i look at history, i see that man has been talking about these issues from as far back as we find writing. and the paradigms have been played out differently in cultures. But folks have fairly consistently recognized slavery, murder, rape, cannibalism and unkindness as dark, and love and generosity, care for the weak and wisdom etc as light.. to various degrees. and frankly when Jesus Christ came he and his follower (with all their/our faults) Have promoted the way of light with MORE clarity and definition than others of the past. this light specifically, the fixed concept that men are IN FACT valuable, equals and worthy of love intrinsically. Higher than animals but far less than God or gods. This concept that has been seeded into the cultural/spiritual dna of the world over the course of 2000 years now. It's not a concept Plato, or eastern philosophers ever placed as a center piece... or even believed.
So IMO as that Christian base for the HIGH but realistic view of man as man, worthy to be loved WITH--IN SPITE OF all his warts is set aside and replaced by ... well what appears to me an emotional/sentimental view, with some pseudo scientific pragmatism and scientific arrogance mixed in. that people will/have slipped into viewing individuals and humanity as a whole a less valuable, and it will --as you predict-- bring some horrors down the road. IMO more abortion, more excuses for euthanasia, depopulation, and more gov't controls over "them" by various means.
However I can see a LOT of potentially great things happening as we'll with all the new tech and discoveries, Frankly it can imagine a positive life giving rolling revolution but the current mindset that saysΒ -man is "just an animal"- is not good ground to build a great life for humanity. Plus the concepts on the political right of the fear of "others" etc.. and the concepts on the left of fear of ecological scarcity, and willing blindness to moral license having consequence etc.. Leaves little room on the track for -positive freedoms plus honest personal and universal responsibility-.
However, shinning a light in that direction is the way to go IMO. And continuing to promote the concepts of loving humanity and every individual just because they are created in the image of God and encouraging PEACE with our neighbors... near and far, and promoting forgiveness and reconciliation. As well as personal responsibility, in our work, sexuality and the environment. Handling all new tech with care for mankind 1ST and not just pure advancement for advancement sake.
Speaking the truth and requiring it from others with as much love as possible. And in my own case allowing God to work out the larger details of the far future ---Which He predicts with some authority--- will in fact be great for those who trust him.
peace P shifter,
Avery
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Well, my intention is not to state anything with authority, but rather I am making observations and expressing my own perspective of those observations. People are of course completely free to agree or disagree. The most important thing is that people think critically. To believe or disbelieve, is the same one thing, pretending to be two different things. To disbelieve is merely a belief in the "lack there of", where as its opposite is to believe in the "existence there of". As Chris Rock once said "instead of having beliefs, I prefer having ideas, because you can change an idea, where as belief has too much emotional investment". I do not think that emotions are bad or anything, they are one of the things that make us human. But there is a big difference between genuinely choosing what to feel, and being co-opted by psychosis.
An animal will respond to love and compassion with love and compassion, and will respond to aggression with aggression. An animal can only mirror its environment in order to adapt and survive. Humans too have this core instinct, but -- the difference is our advanced frontal lobe. We can choose to respond to aggression with compassion, and end the cycles of destruction. An animal can not conceive of such a thing. But a human can think, if they choose to. A human can understand that this mirroring of environment with a lack of thinking, results in destructive cycles. It is like the equivalent of painting a piece of wood blue, writing the word "water" on it, soaking it in gasoline, and then expecting this piece of wood to put the fire out. Then when we see that it has only made the fire bigger, scratching our heads and saying "that should have worked, i am a failure" and then diving into depression and self-loathing. The idea that water is needed to put out the fire, is a result of critical thinking.
An animal can not conceive of the idea of water putting out fire. They can react to water and react to fire, but they can not think critically.
So when the Beatles said "all you need is love" its like saying "all you need is water". But it is not quite "all you need". You also need to think critically to understand how to use these tools to complete the desired tasks.
Using love to end the negative feedback loop of hate has a logical and scientifically observable method. It is not merely philosophical. It has attributes that can be tested, measured and quantified. But when we refuse to see the science, then we do not think critically.
The human mind does work like a biological computer and as we begin to understand how this hardware / software interface works, we begin to see how to proceed. The nature of how these things work is very uncomfortable for the ego. It requires letting go of addictions to instant gratification, appeasement, suffering, self righteous justification and the victim mentality.
This does not mean to lack empathy, it simply means to not be co-opted.
When we understand that a persons point of view is what expands or limits their perception of reality, then if we so choose -- we can learn to expand our own perspectives through doing our best to understand the perspectives of others. We do not have to agree with the perspectives of others. In fact, others can have perspectives which absolutely disgust us. However, this disgust does not need to hold us back from gaining understanding.
When we understand the limitations of closed minded perspectives, then we are able to view these things more like understanding the minimum and maximum requirements of a piece of software. For example, a software might not be able to run on anything less than a 1GHZ computer and on no less than 2GB of RAM Memory. It might require a minimum of 500MB of free drive space. It also might not be able to run on a computer that is too powerful for it. So hypothetically, if it is an older software, it might not be able to run on a 64-bit system. Or it might not be able to run on a 4GHZ computer because some of its features might require slower processing. Screen displays being one example. Sometimes older softwares base their rate of screen display on the available resources for processing. So when computers become too fast, the content on the screen is displayed too quickly and thus is no longer discernible by the computer user. The software then becomes an annoyance.
So when a person is trying to force their will upon us, we can then see that they are trying to force us to conform to a state which is between their minimum and maximum system requirements. So someone who is too far above or below those requirements, will not be able to operate in a way which is preferable to that person. So this means that a person will inevitably exhaust their energy trying to get something to conform which can not conform. Eventually, they will seek out someone else once they realize that their attempts to energetically vampire you (metaphorically speaking) are going to continue to inevitably fail. You will then become an insufferable aggravation to them and they will want nothing more to do with you. You being genuinely who you are and being able to maintain that effortlessly, also with equal respect for someone else to also be who they wish to choose to be, makes you incompatible with energetic vampirism.
Seeing as our core animal instincts are to mirror and adapt to the environment for survival, people typically respond to someone trying to vampire them, with an act of vampirism of their own as a form of self defence. Also known as "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". When we activate the frontal lobe and exit that lobotomised state, we see that an eye for an eye only perpetuates an undesirable meme and makes the consequences of that meme increasingly worse with each evolution of the meme.
So then we realize we fight fire with water, not gasoline. So to speak.
When someone fails to vampire you, one of two things tends to happen. Either they find you insufferable and they leave you alone as to not exhaust themselves further. Or -- they become curious as to how in the hell you did it, they calm down and begin to ask reasonable questions. This is because from their point of view -- you completely violated the rules of reality. You were operating well outside of what they believe can be real or possible, so now you have their curiosity. Now they want to understand how in the hell you did it.
So when we use these understandings, we know that we will inspire and / or infuriate other people. We understand that eventually, the infuriated will run out of energy to try to keep screwing with us and they will back off, and the inspired will begin to ask questions and desire to know more.
When we respect a persons right to be inspired or infuriated, then we begin to understand something else.
We see that the more infuriated someone is, that this does increasingly more biological damage to their body over the course of the long count of time. So they will get sick more often. Their bodies will degrade faster. Their life spans will be shorter. This has been proven by science, and though I could go deep into those details, I'll not do so for the moment.
So the more people you inspire to curiosity as they learn to do what you have done, then the number of people being inspiring and infuriating in equal measure, then increases on the planet. As more and more people awaken to this, the easily infuriated continue to become more infuriated. So the more quickly they dive into their own self destruction, the less of those people are on the Earth making things more favorable to those whose minds are opening, slowly bringing about world peace.
People think that world peace is not obtainable because they misunderstand world peace as "everyone getting along and agreeing with each other". This thinking is utopianism and it is what things such as Nazism are based on. You won't ever get all humans to get along and agree. Can't ever happen. Peace is not a state in which everyone is agreeable, peace is an end to conflict. There is a huge difference. Trying to figure out how to get everyone to be agreeable only creates more conflict. This has been historically true.
Respecting someones right to hate you and respecting someones right to destroy themselves, is what will bring about world peace. This does not mean you need to advocate someones hate or advocate self destruction. You can be firmly and outspokenly opposed to those things, but without forcing that view on others with energetic vampirism.
Jesus was very open about how he felt about the Scribes and the Pharisees and their totalitarian hypocrisy, but he did not try to vampire them or force them to be anything other than who they are. And notice that Jesus was insufferable to them. Jesus was a huge annoyance to them. And this also attracted others of like mind to Jesus. People became curious. They wanted to try to understand what he knew. And Jesus did not have to force anything on anyone. He was just being himself, he respected the rights of others to do the same, and by default this made him insufferable to people he did not want around him, and attracted to him the people he preferred to deal with.
There is a discernible logic to all of this. It can be observed. Tested. Measured. Quantified. The scientific method can deal with it.
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Β yeah um that's a lot. I read it all but in reply here ,Β i hope i don't misrepresent you, and that i haven't misunderstood you. In general again i think we have some great points of agreement, I guess the only thing i'd have to say by way of my own "ideas" of where we might differ is
1. seems you may have the idea that because i emphasized love that reason is somewhat excluded from the picture. not my position at all. "speaking the truth in love" "holding to the truth" is foundational, truth being the facts, reality, objectively obtained and presented. Not some "my truth your truth" sorta thing that many try to promote. but what i'd guess you might want to call in most respects "scientific" fact or truth.
2. your comments on the people's narrow perspectives I think i agree with. but i have to say I often wonder when people talk as you have that sometimes it betrays the thought they think everyone who doesn't agree with them CAN'T conceive of what others mean when presented with information and concepts outside of their own views.Β But I find that there are people from all perspectives who are ..what i call... Provencal in their thinking. "this is THE way it is, your perspective is by default invalid." But they personally bring little "science" to the table to back up their views, often it's simply the majority view of their group. whatever the ideological, philosophical or religious stripe.
And most ...all... of us have been there though. but self examination and consideration can make most of us at least aware of our own default positions. default "ideas" "beliefs" and be honest about their strengths and weaknesses when held up to reality... and others Ideas/beliefs.
3. I think a current fade is change meanings of words surrounding religious, philosophical and political concepts. I don't see that Idea and Belief are often very different.
If i have the idea that Obama is President or the belief, both can be confirmed or not by various facts.
the Idea or Belief that Atlantis or Aliens exist also have the option to be proved ...MORE or LESS... true/factual/reality by the presentation of evidence and the use of logic.
again i think we touch on this BS "idea" of "your truth my truth". I think you and i agree that there are certain things that can in fact be determined as REALITY and people's ideas or beliefs about those things .. while fine for them to hold... are in FACT wrong, NOT reality not TRUE.
your blue log story points out that people's emotional investment in various ideas/beliefs don't make them anymore or less reality. Mistaken Idea or mistaken Belief. The mistake is the problem not the emotional stake -high or low- that it holds in the mind.
People BELIEVE scientific ideas, most on authority. Even though they don't like the word. And science and scientist are about as loathed to change their ideas as any devout religious person.
Paradigm shifting is emotional no matter the labels. And it's been shown scientifically that our reason and emotions are in fact linked. And it's pretty obvious when you think about it. I mean, have you ever met anyone whose completely "rational"? whose ideas are ONLY founded in evidence. Some atheist claim to be so, but it's funny to see them RANT on about things they have little to zero evidence for, or hotly argue in -full on- logical circles and never see it.
the other word or term you mentioned the "lack of belief" thing. that's a pet peeve of mine.
If you look at any older dictionary or some college philosophy text you won't see that definition. From what i've found it's a new pop concept, seems brought in as a way to help atheist move out of the circle of those asserting a position. It's in fact a dodge to get around all the "reasons" they use to promote the idea/belief that they think that nature is all there is. That materialist idea is an assertion, not just a lack. And that position is where most atheist stand. To say they just lack belief is kind of cop out IMO. They generally have to assert that nature... in some form... is the whole show. the word a-theism just highlights one aspect of the fuller assertions that no god(s) exist. So it's IMO just dishonest to claim those who disbelieve this or that ONLY means 'a lack of' xyz.
Hey, I enjoy this discussion, its not often you can talk to people like this without itΒ dipping into a lotΒ negative stuff. More i'd like to say right now on emotion,Β the concept of science, logic and reason and their limits and the place of the unknown and what we use as placeholders there. the idea of escaping mental trapsΒ or just finding reality where ever it may be, even if it's tangled in with what we might have understood only as "traps".Β but i gotta roll, maybe i can come back to this later.
peace
Β
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What's worse is that I had some religious nut cases try and test me with a fan film from Norway that was essentially nazi-Trek. Β A real bunch of crazy bastards that were looking for the second coming of the anti-christ. Β
No joke either. Β A bigger bunch of SOBs you'll never encounter. Β This poster is right up their ally. Β
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You'd love Iron Sky then. lol
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heh, I don't know what Iron Sky is, but if it has anything to do with some nut jobs looking for the second coming of the anti-christ, then I'm sure it's funny in a sick sort of way.
What's even worse is that they hired prostitutes on top of that to test to see if someone was faithful to their wives or not.
Sick stuff.
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Oh well, Iron Sky is a comedy about nazis from the moon.
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Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I think this is based off of a sci-fi book of a similar title.
Honestly, I'm just a little sick and tired of nazis used as the ultimate bad guys in every movie where the US has to fight someone that "everyone dislikes".
Why could it have not been the Vietcong in space? Β
I'll also add that I'm still very bitter about being put through the wringer by fundamentalists, especially since I'm an atheist. Β But I digress.
And, joke or not, well, I don't like it. Β It's not a good joke, and for all my railing of Hollywood using nazis as their go to bad guys, and as much as I detested the Next Generation as a series, I find this in poor taste, and not a joke of any kind at all.Β
I'll go.
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Well, the Nazis just represent an archetype that represents more than just the Nazis of course. Represents a type of attitude. As for movies, there is also a lot of myth and lore around the Nazis as well. The Nazis SUPPOSEDLY were developing everything from jet planes, anti-gravity ships and even time travel -- as well as a secret Antarctica base and yes, even a Moon base. Now how much of that is or isn't true could be debated until hell freezes over -- but: the myth and lore of it does exist, and it gets romanticized in films.
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HAHAHA well, unlike some comments, I found humor in this. Thanks for the laugh!
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There are episodes that actually used Nazis as enemies, either in spirit(their ideals) or in person(the real thing).
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correction: you are making fun of nazis, not fascists. Try to read about thing you are going to ridicule first.
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Nazi's are a type of fascist as a Maple is a type of tree. Try thinking before speaking if you're going to attempt to ridicule someone. Nice try, but FAIL
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Well... not really, this isn't true. Fascism inspired nazizm, but apart of being totalitarian regimes they didn't had anything in common. It's like saying that dictatorship and authoritarian rule are the same. Not only those are two different types of gevernment, but apart being "a type of government" they are adaptable to local circumastances and cannot be similar. So, in other words "dictatorship requires autoritharian rule, but autoritharian rule is not a dictatorship". Hence it is true that you need to adapt fascism to become Nazi, but you cannot claim that nazism equals fascism. So... nice try, but FAIL
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cant.............stop..............laughing...........ow!!!!!!!!!!!
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wrong grammar!!!
DER TREKKIN(? trekker)
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oh picky picky! 
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The best picture Ive seen in a long time.SPock rocks.
Heil Die trekkin HEIL!!!
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and thanks for the favs
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No problem
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Even though I REALLY hate nazis, that's pretty cool.
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Its easy to make fun of the things we hate
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Yes. Yes it is.
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and thank you, for the fav!
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Better watch out, captain adolf, because the Bastards are going to beam aboard your ship and then Lt. Aldo Raine will order his men to beat you into stuffing!!
Tee hee, this is hilarious.
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Thats
This Deviation was inspired in part by Star Wreck: [link]
This thing is hilarious. Its worth tolerating the English Subtitles. Every once in awhile I politely bug them to do an English Dub Over
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English subtitles are priceless, especially when people put silly comments over serious dialogue.
I do have a gallery! It's just hiding.
Or just click here:
[link]
I hope you find something you like. I have such a fetish for Star Trek and I. Bastards lately!
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How silly of you to hide it
I have a similar gallery folder, though I call mine "Sarcastic Captions"
[link]
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Glad you like it
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Man, I laughed so hard! I always knew Picard had it in him
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