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My religious views have changed a bit since this stamp . I'm really not flatly an atheist. I've looked at pantheism. I started reading Cloud Atlas and that got me thinking about reincarnation and what happens to the energy we have after we die. Hell, I've even thought we're just in The Matrix. I just don't know. What I do know is: science has actually give us answers and progress.[link]
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It does have to do with things because you're basically digging up an old conversation that died a long time ago and was perfectly fine staying dead without your input. Or you could check the dates before you comment. Also not that hard.
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Unless your opinion has drastically changed, time doesn't matter.
And it's a public forum, anyone can comment or reply. If you have such a big issue with me, just click the little X in the corner of the message and dot reply. It's not hard.
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No, it just makes it irrelevant. And "can" does not mean "should". I always have to reply to messages in my inbox. It drives me bonkers if I don't.
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Then you should probably shut down your computer and go outside.
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It's below freezing outside, so, probably not.
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Then go watch a movie. If you seriously cannot stop yourself from replying to messages you get, then you need to step away from the internet.
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I don't NEED to do anything. If I feel the need to reply to the comments in my inbox then I'm going to, and that's my business.
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Then don't fucking complain when someone replies to you about an old topic.
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Then stop replying to old topics.
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I know right? It's like, they aren't exclusive. I mean, there are tons of Christians who believe in things like evolution, modern medicine, doctors, electricity, stuff like that. It's just the crazy-ass fringe that make it seem like we don't.
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It's especially funny because the Catholic Church has historically been a huge supporter of the sciences, especially medicine and astronomy, and founding discoveries behind numerous scientific fields were made by Christian scientists.
Even better, the Catholic Church has never had a problem with the theory of evolution. There were some minor issues over when humans got souls, but that got taken care of quick, and the official stance is that we're perfectly fine with it.
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Unfortunately, a few nut-jobs is all it takes for an entire group to look bad. OTZ
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Yeah. Those rotten apples just ruin the entire barrel.
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Pretty much. Doesn't help that they're usually louder about their beliefs.
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Atheists don't limit knowledge by answering every question with "Because God made it that way".
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Neither do most religious people.
I gotta admit, these poorly thought up religious strawmen do make it easy to recognize the people who have no idea what they're talking about.
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That's a joke.
I'm surrounded by christians/etc. who will live by "Because the book (bible)/God says so".
Not many? You think that because you probably are religious.
Because Atheist's don't know what they're talking about?
They don't live by what a book tells them. They simply observe the reality put in front of them and ACCEPT.
Our observations (Our biggest, of course; Evolution) is the truth. ACCEPT IT. Prove it? Already did. That's why your ass is on a computer typing your crap.
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I am a Christian, but I combine reality and my religion together. Not all of us go by the Bible. Look into religion first on a good site before you naively jump to conclusions. And even if I did think that way, everyone is entitled to their opinion. We should be in respect of each other's beliefs instead of trying to give off hate
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Oh, I do. I used to be a part of the Catholic Church. I still am learning about it. I thought a good deal before I decided to leave it -- I am very confident in my choice.
Did I ever say that every religious person did that? No. Was it implied? Sort of. One thing you will notice is that a lot of religious people (parents and teachers especially, in my case) will answer questions with, "Because God made it that way." Things such as the weather or someone's own facial features or whatever. And even though the response just may seem perfunctory, it will appear more like emphasis to a child who has heard it a million times. It may not be the intent, but it is often the impact.
My apologies for the late reply. I am in the middle of a sort of hiatus currently.
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Ah, my bad. Gotta admit, I made a leap that wasn't called for when I saw your post.
As for the "God made it that way" thing, I don't really recall hearing that much, though that could easily just be me forgetting instances of it. As I mentioned in another reply I made on this stamp, the Catholic Church has generally been in complete favor of scientific endeavor, and very rarely made any attempt to limit the pursuit of knowledge.
Which is part of the reason I snapped at you a bit. It gets irritating hearing all of this garbage from Atheists that seem to think that being religious implies a rejection of science, when, save for the few nutjobs that the rest of us tend to be ashamed of(and would probably be the way they are with or without religion), is in no way the case.
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Of course. Catholicism didn't make St. Thomas Aquinas a saint for nothing; his input in the creation of scholasticism was a big thing for them. I understand that they accept scientific laws and such -- it even states in the Catechism (or at least, in the copy my parents own) that the Catholic Church accepts evolution, which is a big controversy in many Christian sects. Most Catholics also do not refer to the Bible for everything, because the Catholic belief is that God's plan for Salvation has been revealed through Scripture and Tradition -- if the Bible does not mention it, it doesn't mean it can't be done.
No, I'm no nutjob (or at least, I hope not). I know what I'm talking about in the case of religion -- and I'm not out to kill the people who are religious. It gives many people someone to turn to when they are upset, or something to look forward to as a result of all their hard work of standing up for what's right, since no one else is willing to reward them. It gives everyone a sense of value. My biggest issue was my seeming inability to ever believe in a being that is described as Catholics describe God -- I did want to believe for the longest time, but I couldn't. I'm one of those see-it-to-believe-it people, and faith is not my strong point. And as I became more familiar with the outside world, I realized how biased some Catholic teachings are, and I decided finally to break away from the Church. But I will never, ever hate or dislike anyone for believing in God. Having grown up in a Catholic family and community, most religious people I know are very kind and live by excellent morals. I would never judge someone for their belief in contrast to my lack thereof.
Thank you for being mature about the entire ordeal, and I'm sorry for leaving a mindless comment when I first saw this stamp. I really appreciate that.
Also, I apologize for my super long comment. I'm known by my acquaintances for my tendency to ramble.
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I am the same way as you. I used to be a Christian (not really a specific type, considering the fact that both sides of my family were totally different) and I strongly believed. But, as I grew older I started to think, "What if he really isn't there? What if all my time praying to him was wasted?" and I actually discussed this with my (religious) grandparents. One agreed while the other got angry at me. And then I grew older and older and I just lost faith in Jesus, mainly because every prayer had been unanswered. Not to mention, I as well, am a see-it-to-believe-it type so I pretty much (secretly) became a apetheistic-agnostic atheist and I also became bisexual. Reasons I haven't told my family is because I feel I would be shunned for both of my beliefs, considering the bible is against same-sex love and, you know, not believing in God.
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Well, I wouldn't call this an "ordeal". Your initial post was a bit irritating in its wording, and it was certainly embarrassing to find that you weren't even remotely as ignorant as I had assumed you were, but other than that, this exchange with you hasn't been all that bad at all(I don't mind long posts that actually go somewhere); I hope that I haven't made it that ordeal for you either, anyway.
And yeah, I hear ya. The Catholic Church may tend toward rationality when it can, but it is still a religion, and does still require faith, which not everyone is willing to deal with. It's been nice coming across you, though; a lot of people I come across online who broke from some form of Christianity and are now non-religious seem to have gained a chip on their shoulder against religious people, Christians especially.
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Oh, it's quite all right. First impressions can always give off the wrong ideas. I'm not very good at making them, either -- so you wouldn't be the first to inaccurately guess my ideals. And anyway, the way I had worded my first comment was very misleading in that respect. I was probably having a bad day then (it was so long ago, though; I don't clearly recall), leading me to leave a bitter comment on a bitter stamp.
No, it's perfectly fine. I enjoy having intelligent conversations with people, even if it starts out as a sort of quarrel. Everyone has their disagreements, so an argument is inevitable at some time or another.
Indeed it does. Most religions do. If I am not mistaken, there are only a few religions that do not require the blind trust (and I mean that in the nicest way possible; not "blind" as in ignorant or stupid) of faith. Buddhism is one example, no? Anyhow, I admire the religious for being able to be dedicated and confident in their belief of a being that they have (in most cases) never had proof of. It is a quality I admire, mostly because I will probably never be able to obtain it.
Are you a Catholic? You seem to know a lot about the faith -- I do, too, because of my childhood, but I normally don't meet people who actually know very much about their denomination. It is nice to see when one knows about their faith, and sometimes even go as far as studying other denominations and religions. It gives them an added quality of compassion, or at least, it does from my experience.
Yes, I would say this was a mostly benevolent encounter; I am glad to have met someone who is openminded enough to consider their words after they have already been uttered. Most people are not like that, because they are too afraid to swallow their pride. I also thank you for listening -- my monstrous comments scare most people away, and who can blame them? These guys are huge. If I one day saw a comment as long as my own in my inbox, I'd be a little overwhelmed!
Yes, but I've never really been one to hold grudges or to judge someone for their choices in life. My choice to depart from the Church was my choice and affects only my life -- if I don't want people to pick on me for doing something that will never affect them, I shouldn't decide to pick on others for their decision of staying in the Church. Or joining the Church, whichever the case may be. It helps most religious people to have something to believe in -- without it, some people would crumble. So if anything, I should be very glad that they are religious. It helps both them and (indirectly) others. Even if it does not affect their actions (like in my case), their belief in a higher being is not going to threaten me in any way. It should not make my opinion of them change in the least.
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Yeah, I'm Catholic. Of course, most of my research into these things has been relatively recent, and I unfortunately still know embarrassingly little about other sects of Christianity, and other religions in general.
It was kinda funny, actually; through the last several years, I've been rationalizing things like evolution, the Big Bang Theory, and other such things with my faith, and when I finally actually started doing the research, I found out that the Church's official stance on these things were pretty much exactly what I came up with myself. After listening to the assholes going on about a perpetual war between religion and reason for so long, it was quite satisfying to find that such claims are absolute horseshit, and the anti-religion atheist nuts are the ones stubbornly clinging to half-baked, long-disproven myths.
Anyway, from what I've learned, the reason people are part of the Catholic Church(or at least, the reason they're supposed to be part of it; damn holier-than-thou assholes) is that they recognize that they need God's help to be the best person they can be, morally and otherwise. To those like you who feel you can handle that without a belief in a higher power, I say power to you.
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At least the evolution of man sounds more realistic than a story about a man who made man from dirt/clay. Go Athiests!
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Your true comment is so true
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Finally! A civilized person!
Don't worry about it.
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