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Description Obviously THIS is the most important development in the world of Godzilla this week- I'm filling in for my buddy Matt Frank with a guest cover spot on the excellent GODZILLA: RULERS OF EARTH.  It's out in August- solicitation HERE: www.scifijapan.com/articles/20…

I have a long-standing fascination with all things Russian, so a classic-style MechaGodzilla standing in Red Square was a pretty thrilling prospect (and yes, I cheated the hell out of the actual geography to get St. Basil's and Spasskaya Tower in the same shot).  We began planning this cover back in early February (and Chris and Matt were planning the story arc even further back), so the ultimate timing of it is somewhat coincidental, but definitely... interesting.  Credit to Toho and IDW for understanding the satirical intent of a cover that, on the surface, seems to be saying, "Putin's Russia- **** yeah!"  Trust me- that's not my actual stance.
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Comments: 52

Ashofthewilliams [2017-06-04 15:38:02 +0000 UTC]

That reminds me. Why hasn't glorious soviet union made robot of own? It makes sense after all.

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HunterGiantesses [2017-02-08 19:02:40 +0000 UTC]

Что, блядь?  

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Agent00Soul [2014-09-02 23:23:22 +0000 UTC]

This is really powerful

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MangetsuSAMURAI [2014-06-04 06:24:51 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely fantastic.
Love the OG Mechagodzilla standing in the middle of a partying city.

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earthbaragon [2014-05-25 03:01:51 +0000 UTC]

Looks amazing. It's great to see such an established character in a different sort of environment. Makes for all sorts of interesting compostions that could happen.

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mlabot [2014-05-23 03:30:29 +0000 UTC]

PaulHanley,

You made my month with Classic MechaGodzilla! Thanks!

We can assume the Russians Beta tested this mecha and was properly debugged unlike that walking hotfix Kiryu ?(forgive me for going into IT Geek Helpd esk mode)

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Harnois75 [2014-05-22 06:03:42 +0000 UTC]

Amazing amount of detail. You must have the patience of a saint. One of your best.

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PaulHanley In reply to Harnois75 [2014-05-22 10:57:44 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, Daryl.  Amazingly, this is the second time I've drawn St. Basil's Cathedral for a cover.  For some reason I thought it'd be a good idea to do that to myself again.

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Arcalian [2014-05-22 01:38:38 +0000 UTC]

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lordhadrian [2014-05-21 18:24:30 +0000 UTC]

Cool

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CreaturesOfZenith [2014-05-21 17:07:33 +0000 UTC]

Those Russians are at it again!

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mlabot In reply to CreaturesOfZenith [2014-05-23 03:25:11 +0000 UTC]

And they don't have the walking hotfix version (Kiryu)!

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CreaturesOfZenith In reply to mlabot [2014-05-24 06:18:20 +0000 UTC]

They also need even more mechas, and Cherno Alpha certainly wouldn't look out of place!

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PaulHanley In reply to CreaturesOfZenith [2014-06-05 13:01:04 +0000 UTC]

If only I COULD have added Cherno to this.  Sadly, it's official work, so I think certain movie studios would take issue.

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legion626 [2014-05-21 15:12:49 +0000 UTC]

godzira? is that you? no, but seriously that's awesome. nice job!

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VinceAndrews [2014-05-21 14:53:09 +0000 UTC]

dang! what can i say? just epic man, great work

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markdominic [2014-05-21 12:48:35 +0000 UTC]

love it

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GodzillaKing [2014-05-21 12:02:44 +0000 UTC]

Wait Russia builds Mecha-Godzilla in this series?

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jefffletcher In reply to GodzillaKing [2014-05-21 17:48:11 +0000 UTC]

They needed a replacement for Cherno Alpha

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PaulHanley In reply to jefffletcher [2014-05-21 21:26:28 +0000 UTC]

I've been wanting to do some Cherno art for ages.    Another one of those things ya just never find the time for... 

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deadelk [2014-05-21 11:50:02 +0000 UTC]

fat cranberry)))

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BalloonPrincess [2014-05-21 10:21:04 +0000 UTC]

Very cool!

Got a question ... was not this version created by the Space Apes?  Would not the Russians be risking a lot awakening technology from another world and using it for their own?  I mean ... nothing could go wrong, right? 

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PaulHanley In reply to BalloonPrincess [2014-05-21 11:56:04 +0000 UTC]

Well, I don't dare reveal what I know of Chris's and Matt's plans for where the series is headed... but the IDW continuity is separate from the movies, and many of the monsters' origins are a bit different.  That said... some origins are more different than others.

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BalloonPrincess In reply to PaulHanley [2014-05-21 12:00:25 +0000 UTC]

**Giggles!**

I gotcha.  I just got a whole slew of Godzilla movies on-line for about $5 a piece; one of those is "The Terror of MechaGodzilla" which I believe is the sequel to the "Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla" from the 1970s.  This is one I have been looking to get for a long time.  It's one I remember coming to town back in the second grade, yet I never saw it.  And I only remember much of the trailers from that child-like wonderment, y'know?

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mlabot In reply to BalloonPrincess [2014-05-22 02:34:40 +0000 UTC]

"Terror of Mechagodzilla" was the swansong of the original (or Showa) series of Godzilla films and Director Ishirō Honda's final Godzilla film. The composer of the Film's score, Akira Ifukube would start scoring Godzilla films again starting with Godzilla vs King Ghidorah (1991).

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BalloonPrincess In reply to mlabot [2014-05-22 11:33:51 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for confirming that.  I had thought it was interesting that the feel of the movies changed from Godzilla being more of a defender of Earth to more of a monster who is a treat, yet still protects what he sees as his ... "A force of nature" is what I take away from the movies since Godzilla 1984 and on.

I've got the older movies coming in within the next few days ... and it'll probably take me a couple of weekends to go through them all. 

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ultrakoichi [2014-05-21 09:42:35 +0000 UTC]

Why does it say HOMO?! Nevertheless brilliant art work!!

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PaulHanley In reply to ultrakoichi [2014-05-21 10:14:45 +0000 UTC]

"OMOH" is "OMON" in the Cyrillic alphabet and is absolutely a real thing.  And yes, that's their real uniform and logo: www.miliwoman.com/Russia/Polic…


They're a highly controversial police unit probably best known nowadays for crushing peaceful protests in Russia's cities and alleged abuses of human rights in Chechnya.  


Any biting satirical irony that may be derived from the fact that the people in charge of violently suppressing gay rights activists are wearing "OMOH" on their jackets is... of course... PURELY unintentional on my part.  But maybe they should take a long look in the mirror sometime.

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CleverfoxRus In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-01 13:37:19 +0000 UTC]

Paul, I really love your artwork, but what you say is total bullshit.
Sorry for my English. 

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PaulHanley In reply to CleverfoxRus [2014-06-02 09:54:17 +0000 UTC]

"OMOH" being what's written on OMON's uniforms = objective fact= not bullshit.

"OMOH" is "HOMO" (an English language anti-gay slur) backwards = not bullshit.

Putin's government continues to enact anti-LGBT laws: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rig… = objective fact= not bullshit.

Pro-LGBT groups have protested this, which, in itself, is a violation of your country's new anti "gay propaganda" law= objective fact= not bullshit.

These protests are often squelched, and by many accounts... not too nicely... by OMON.  Even before the more recent wave of legislation, stuff like this was going down: russianreport.wordpress.com/20…   Plenty of other documentation is out there (Google "LGBT" or "gay rights" with "OMON" and read on).  So... while hard for me to certify as 100% objective fact because I'm not in Russia,  I'm pretty sure it's closer to "truth" than "completely fabricated bullshit" on the bullshit meter.

OMON being charged with enforcing anti-gay laws makes the whole "OMOH"/"HOMO" thing the literal definition of the English word "irony"= objective fact= not bullshit.

OMON, being an interior police force, is not well known by the general public outside of Russia (same as how most people around the world probably don't know Germany's GSG-9, the US's SWAT teams, etc).  But the general improvement for LGBT rights in the Western world has made Russia's opposite course get quite a bit of press.  And, being a rather lowbrow culture, many of us find the OMOH/ OMON a delicious irony and one of the very few things we can laugh at in the whole ugly situation.  So our media's made quite a bit of comedy hay out of it, and this is now, in fact, what OMON is likely to be known for to us English speakers: plus.google.com/+GeorgeTakei/p… ;  

So your statement that what I said is total bullshit is certifiable partial bullshit.  I mean, that's just empirically evident, dude.

And as a sidebar: your country has also gotten some bad press over how it conducts war in places like Chechnya- sorry to break it to ya (hey, I'm from the US- I can sympathize).  OMON human rights abuses have most definitely been alleged, as Google will show ya.  So this part of my statement was also certifiably not bullshit.  Whether you think those allegations are true or not doesn't affect that.)

I love your country.  LOVE.  I was even a fan of Putin once upon a time (many, many years ago).  But the way it's currently using gay people as a scapegoat for its problems is disgusting.  I'm not going to make the obvious historical comparison here (tempting as it is, because it would be pretty damned apt)... but you should be deeply wary of any government that ostracizes a peaceful portion of the population and makes them second-class citizens.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not down with your country's anti-gay laws, and just defending OMON.  I get that.  My back gets up when people demonize US police for appalling behavior- because I know that's not ALL they do.  I'm sure OMON also keeps Russian citizens safe from a lot of real criminals, terrorists, and other clear threats.  But outside of Russia (and like I said, that's where I am, so I actually  can 100% certify this one), we don't hear about that stuff- we hear about them being bastards.  Sorry, I know the truth hurts sometimes.

And if you actually ARE a supporter of Russia's anti-gay laws- hang your head in shame.  I notice you're a Doctor Who fan, and the Doctor, being a friend of Jack Harkness, Madame Vastra, Jenny Flint, Izzy Sinclair... and really just humanity in general... wouldn't approve.  At all.  Come to think of it, many have argued that the post-2005 version of Who has a "gay agenda", so careful not to show to show any Who swag outside the house- OMON might be coming after you next.

Okay, that was a cheap shot.  But like I said, we gotta get the few laughs out of the situation that we can.  

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CleverfoxRus In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-02 23:47:58 +0000 UTC]

Let is start from the end.
Do you know that new school DW is on TV channels  in Russia, at least two of them are for children?
Also Torchwood we can see too. For example "Children of Earth" was on primetime on TV3 and that was ok.
(GoTh too, but it isn't part of DW so next...)
Putin's government so hate gays, that they use music of gay artists on Olympic games, russian group was walking on t.A.T.u. (This was cut on CNN, as I know, about others US channels I don't know)
Didn't notice something yet?
Well, use anti-russian press as 'independent' sourse to trust isn't a good idea, you know?
Do you remember this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=hze_6-…
For  example how most of these things happened.
Group or one (in exampe one) starts converation with cameras and what day they choose? Special days, big holidays! What can be better then when people want relax, have fun you give them deprese messages.
In this example it is day of VDV. These guys did and still do many many things for country. And all they want one day for them and for their Saint.
And what they see? Well it the same if in Veterans Day in US on main scene some jerk said: "fuck all veterans! All attention on me! I'm the best!"
Such things unexceptable in Russia. 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlH0ST…
And look who save his ass! OMON!
Well about anti "gay propaganda" law as you see it isn't about you can not show that you gay (we still can watch DW ), it is about that it is not ok when strange random person talk with tots about sex. And from this point of view I accept this.
You see most part people in Russia negative not on gays inself, but how some group of gays show their gayness. (do you really have this word? It looks bit of strange)
rt.com/news/sochi-media-negati…
I hope this help you and sorry for mistake.
I could say about Chechnya, how Grozny nowadays beautiful, about Kadyrov (in his house he has room for Putin, this is how Putin trust him) and terrorists (which your government was idealizing before some event, but lets not to talk about sad.)

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PaulHanley In reply to CleverfoxRus [2014-06-03 05:15:59 +0000 UTC]

Also, I wasn't going to go here- but two hours after my last post, this quote won't leave my head, and it's just so damned appropriate...

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people happily will endure almost any curtailment of liberty." -Adolf Hitler

And as long as I'm flirting with breaking Godwin's Law, I'll also point out that Leni Riefenstahl was one of Hitler's key coordinators for the 1936 Berlin Olympics, and over the course of it she directed the documentary OLYMPIA, which became a legendary piece of pro-Nazi propaganda.  She was also 1/4 Jewish.  Hitler conveniently overlooked this for the rest of his life, because he admired her talent.  Apparently she was "one of the good ones".

So your argument that TATU and Tchaikovsky featured in the Olympics proves Russia only has a problem with "some" gays...

...really not helping.  

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anonimf In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-05 02:52:09 +0000 UTC]

Comparing holding the Olympics in Russia with holding them in Germany in 36 is in poor taste. When considering that the same was said when it was held in China in 08 (something not lost to the Chinese press) and that Russia and China are two of the few powers (and only major) not dominated either economically, politically, and/or militarily by the "west" then you're statement becomes racist. Certainly drawing Russians as drunk idiots with a bottle of vodka in hand is racist. I doubt you would be allowed to draw, say, South Africans with a banana in hand by your employer. 

Anyway you seem to have some sort of white savior complex and in this case you think that "gays" in Russia need your enlightened help. You have things backward. Russia curtails the freedom of speech of gay identity groups; the US- where you apparently live- executes male homosexuals via its vassals in the Arabian peninsula, and has done so since it took over the region from Britain and France in 45. Mind you the last empire that ruled the place, the Ottomans, decriminalized male homosexuality in 1857, so don't blame this on the "inferiority" of the natives. Responding to rebellions in the region in the past couple of years the US organized the biggest arms sale in American history to Saudi Arabia (alone) and during the Arab Cold War it helped crush the bolshevik rebellions in Oman and contained in South Yemen- regimes that while not friendly to male homosexuality where more benevolent- in not only this sphere- then the United States.

And what a coincidence that you show concern about teh gays at the same time the US has geostrategic tensions with Russia (since 2011) and media outlets the US controls are propagating its line on the issue to demonize the enemy. Your homophobic jab at the female cop "violently suppressing gay rights activists are wearing "OMOH" on their jackets is... of course... PURELY unintentional on my part.  But maybe they should take a long look in the mirror sometime" only underscores your disingenuousness. You're so confused that you display outrage about homophobia in a country you know nothing about while at the same time making fun of them for being homosexuals. This seems to be a common problem for you "west"-erners so let me spell it out for you. Its not evil dysfunctional "secret" - the worst kind!- homosexuals who are responsible for homophobia, its self-identified heterosexualists such as yourself.

And Leni Riefenstahl wasn't Jewish. Not only do you reproduce European pseudo-science about "Jewish Blood" but you also indirectly reproduce the trope that Jews are responsible for the persecution they face (since she was "was also 1/4 Jewish").

So stop being self righteous and stfu twat.

PS Hitler quotes that say "IAMABADGUY" are usually fake- though not his statements about exterminating Russians because they are inferior to "Western" Civilization- www.libertariannews.org/2012/1…
PSS If you actually knew anything about Russia and wanted to make demeaning homophobic jokes calling them gays then you obviously would have referred to the traffic police acronym. But like the Hitler quote shows, you lack knowledge about subjects you talk about and lack the critical thinking to keep your bs to yourself.  

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PaulHanley In reply to anonimf [2014-06-05 11:40:38 +0000 UTC]

Damn, somebody drank their Internet Courage.  Easy to do when you're some Anonymous Motherfucker (which I suppose is the basis for your name, tough guy).  

Yes- I get on my High Horse on this issue because I'm a self righteous "twat" (who's slinging the bigoted terminology now).  It's not because I might actually have any of "teh gays" as family and close friends... or gasp- maybe even BE ONE.  

You don't know me.  Most of your rant suggests a whole lotta projection going on.  

But since you've put me in a position to defend my character- I've gotten something like 6000+ comments in my 4 years here on DA- and I think in all of those, I've only been called a racist imperialist homophobe once.  There's been some other rotten stuff, of course- but 99% are fun and lighthearted stuff about geeky shit- most people are having a good time here.  I've only really deliberately courted controversy once here (an anti-Romney protest piece I did in 2012).  The significance of OMON in the pic is relatively incidental in the grand scheme of things.  It's a minor dig that I wasn't even going to elaborate on until some other commenter asked about the whole "HOMO" aspect.  I don't go out of my way to climb up on my cross (it's all the way out in the barn, and I'm a generally lazy dude).

Your page apparently has 2 comments in 7 years, and they're both hidden.  

Troll- get thee back beneath thy bridge.

For what it's worth... and I'll paraphrase Andy Rooney being interviewed by Ali G- I own something like 200 books that deal with Russia in some way- you can borrow one if you'd like (actually, you can't- I just wanted to complete the quote). One of the main reasons Matt Frank kindly handed off the cover for this month's issue is because he knew I'd probably burn his house down if he didn't let me in on a storyline where Russia would be so prominent.  It's been a major area of interest for me since I was a kid.   I'm what you could call a Russia junkie- probably to the point where it's kind of a sad Henry Jones Sr Holy Grail kinda thing.  I've read two biographies on Putin and probably five or six books on Chechnya.  When Nord Ost and Beslan happened, I was glued to CNN and any other news I could get.  Some exiled oligarch dies in London- I'm following it the way other guys follow NFL draft picks.  Any time The Economist covers the region (which is pretty much every week), I make sure to read every article.  In short, I keep up with this shit.  Ask yourself this- am I really putting that much work into talking down to the savages, or do I have a legitimate love and respect for their culture and history.  One of the reasons I bitch so loudly at what's going on now is because I'm bitterly disappointed by what's become of Putin.  I dare say I was almost a fan of the guy, once upon a time. It seemed like he was bringing a semblance of order back to the country after the hot mess that was the Yeltsin era.  But then, as Marge Schott would probably say in a drunken rant, "he went too far".  

I hardly think I'm some amazing savior of "teh gays" (your words).  Honestly... I'm mildly embarrassed that some of my gay friends are possibly going to read this exchange- because taking a stand on any issue like this CAN come off pedantic and self-righteous- probably partially b/c we live in a world pretty beaten down by self-loathing cynical assholes (hello, you) that try to paint any even remotely positive action in a bad light.  I'm just reminded of when someone asked John Waters if he felt HAIRSPRAY was political, and he said something like, "I don't know- is it really that edgy to say that black kids in the 1950s should be allowed to dance?"  I guess I'm one of those crazy radical nuts who thinks LGBT rights are self-evident (what?  that's actually what the majority thinks now? shit- I'm not cool anymore!). 

And the vodka- sometime a vodka bottle is just a vodka bottle.  If it's subconscious racial humor, it's pretty damned mild.  Especially coming from a guy of Irish descent whose comedy heroes are people like Don Rickles, Sarah Silverman and Artie Lange.  Lighten up, Sunshine.

I'm hardly the first guy to make the '36 Olympics comparison.  I know at least Mark Gatiss and Stephen Fry did many months ago.  As gay non-citizens of the US, are they allowed to make that highly apt analogy?  I'll await your judgement as an obviously wise arbiter of what's in good taste.

And I'll give ya this one- I was somewhat talking out of my ass with the Riefenstahl 1/4 Jewish thing.  That was a 100% bad factoid I remembered from a college class in the 90s (you done me wrong, Prof. Kohl!).  I looked that up after saying it the other day, and apparently Riefenstahl fudged her genealogy when she was evaluated for her post- using her stepmother's name for her birth mother.  Her answer when asked on the subject years later was that she simply didn't know the truth (for all we know, she was 1/2 Jewish).  But by her own account, her arch-rival Goebbels presented "evidence" of her Jewish ancestry to Hitler, and Hitler refused to entertain it.  So the point stands- Hitler really didn't want to think about it one way or another.  I doubt Putin really likes to ponder Tchaikovsky's sexuality either.  The point isn't that all bigots are secretly the things they hate.  The point is that bigotry is usually so arbitrary and stupid that it often misses its own point and gives us deliciously ironic factoids like that. 

I thought about adding all that as a big 'ol retraction in the conversation before you entered it, but it's sort of an awkwardly reasonable thing to fit in between "your leader is evil consumate" and "Western media is lying devil".  

I show concern now because Putin's passing these laws RIGHT NOW.  You're apparently content to sit on the sidelines and just bitch at everyone from the comfort of a country that enjoys (more or less) free speech.

So sorry- this self-righteous twat will not be able to STFU.  He will shut you up, by blocking you though (I'm sure you're used to that experience).  Just because you're an obvious troll and deadly boring in how you do it (don't get discouraged- you'll get your 10,000 hours and master it eventually).  CleverFox I at least respect on the level that I think, somewhere behind the language, is a person who might be redeemable.  And if anything, he's managed to stay on subject and not get personal while I'm saying some pretty unpleasant stuff to him.  He has actual convictions.  I don't think you have any.

I will leave up your comments though.  If only you had the guts to do it on your page- I'll bet they had your number and it ruined your day, whatever it was.  Good.

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KaijuSamurai In reply to anonimf [2014-06-05 10:11:40 +0000 UTC]

Oooooooooooooh dis gunna' be guuuuuuuuuuuuuuud...
(seriously though, this "anonimf" guy...*whistles* talk about a closet case...)

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PaulHanley In reply to KaijuSamurai [2014-06-05 11:46:40 +0000 UTC]

Hey, what are you trying to insinuate?!!  I can tell just from that statement that you're an imperialist racist homophobe!  Now let me tell you some things about the Austro-Hungarian Empire during the Crimean War!  They were SO more evolved than America is now...

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PaulHanley In reply to CleverfoxRus [2014-06-03 01:42:52 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry to say we're hitting a language barrier here, b/c I really can't decipher some of the points you're trying to make, and I really would like to (not your fault- your English is light years ahead of my paltry Russian).  It makes me wonder how many of my points are even getting properly conveyed to you.

But if I'm understanding you correctly, you support the Putin Government's argument that the problem is that there's a "correct" way to be gay- which is basically to shut up and keep it to yourself, because there's something inherently WRONG with it.  Children shouldn't be exposed to it?  Why?  Because apparently there's something inherently wrong with it.  

With all due respect (which in this case is none)- FUCK.  THAT.  I wish I could stay more cool and logical, but the viewpoint (I think?) you're expressing is completely abhorrent.  The genius of great tyrants is that they figure out how to make the unthinkable palatable, and you seem to have, as people in my country say, "drank the Kool-Aid" on that one.

Let me spin it to ya this way.  In the US we have a pack of deeply hateful faux-christian bigots known as the Westboro Baptist Church.  They openly express anti-gay views that make the Putin's government's look PRO gay by comparison.  Even anti-gay hate groups hate these guys they're so disgusting.  They're best know for protesting at high-profile funerals, from honored US soldiers to tragically murdered children.  Most people in the country would be happy to see them dead.  BUT... our government lets them do those protests.  Citizens make attempts to obstruct them, but for the most part, they happen, and I can't stress this enough... with POLICE PROTECTION.

This'll sound like a weird wish, but I legitimately hope Russia is lucky enough to have a problem like that one day.

As for the presence of music of gay artists at the Olympics and elsewhere, there's an English phrase for that: "cognitive dissonance".  Also, I'd ask who the heck they WOULD use if they had to chuck Tchaikovsky and so many other musicians of "questionable" sexuality.  Hate to break it to ya, but the performing arts are full of "the gays": www.advocate.com/arts-entertai…

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CleverfoxRus In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-03 11:26:11 +0000 UTC]

No, no, we have problems in accept gays but main problem LGBT society in LGBT radicals.
Peace conversation ok
Provocation like in link I gave or much worse (like public sex in museum (Eh... that really happened, no joke ))
If LGBT radicals haven't do such things LGBT society looks better for Russian people.
And then again Western news prefer show radicals in good light.
About children.
If person gay his gay, it's ok.
And in Russia we don't have sex education, we have faith that nature say to you what you are and what you want.

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KaijuSamurai In reply to CleverfoxRus [2014-06-05 10:09:41 +0000 UTC]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke

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PaulHanley In reply to KaijuSamurai [2014-06-05 11:47:58 +0000 UTC]

Or even just Chaotic Neutral men (my own personal alignment).

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PaulHanley In reply to CleverfoxRus [2014-06-04 05:01:05 +0000 UTC]

Maybe you should ask yourself WHY that sort of "radical" behavior is necessary.  WHY some LGBT people (and their friends) risk jail time and speak up...  

Ask yourself why gay couples can't marry (an obvious inequality which is being righted with increasing speed in most developed parts of the world)

Ask yourself why your country has banned gay couples from adopting children.

Ask yourself why they've singled out countries that recognize same-sex marriage as unfit for adopting Russian children.

Face it- in your government's eyes, "promoting" the gay lifestyle to children means for a child to simply be aware of the fact they exist.  Some of your comments show a shocking lack of empathy.  Do you really think gay people are more concerned with "looking better" to you... or just enjoying the same basic rights that you have?

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova had sex in a museum... poor you.  Some people have (arguably with just cause) resorted to a lot worse in the name of social justice.  We should be so lucky to live in a world where the worst things disenfranchised radicals did was fuck in public.

Here's a good test for whether or not your laws are bigoted- try replacing the word "gay" in any given law with "black" or "Jewish" or... better yet... a word that applies to yourself.  Then let me know if you think those laws still seem fair and unbiased. 

As for sex education- it's sad you think that ignorance is something to be proud of, b/c sex education is an area your country really SHOULD focus on changing.  With a declining birth rate and a HIV/AIDS epidemic that rivals some of the world's poorest nations, what you have clearly doesn't work.

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CleverfoxRus In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-04 15:10:00 +0000 UTC]

In KKK's and Nazi's minds also was that "radical" behavior is necessary for them.
Oh Rassilon, you really don't get in.
Problems not in speak up, they can be guests in talkshow, be part on peaceful event, good stuff.
Do your media said about this? No! You have shit like this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Dv9u…
Your media lie to you and know think why?
In many US states there no gay marriage, France has it only in last year.
So why need hurry? We already have "grajdanskiy brak" when you can live with your partner or partners.
Let look why no children for US. From 1991 over 100 russian children died in US and your government don't care, maybe this is biggest reasons.
Look this, maybe it help you what really happening in Russia
www.youtube.com/watch?v=btAUWI…
Hmmm.... misunderstanding of our logics so different...
Basic knowledge to prevent sex in young age it is different thing.

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PaulHanley In reply to CleverfoxRus [2014-06-05 12:42:11 +0000 UTC]

On the KKK and Nazis- you've missed my point entirely about how nice it is when the worst kind of behavior a group of radicals do is fuck in public.  You're equating people who screw in empty churches with people who firebomb full ones with children inside (and that's just the KKK- do I really need to weigh a porn video against the Holocaust, or are we done???).

You really have a problem with that first video you linked?  Guess that goes back to my point of any expression of existence being crime in your eyes.  Seriously- I think that's the most objectionable thing you've said in this discussion yet.  How do you have a problem with that and not the rather hot (and I say that as a comfortably heterosexual male) on-camera kissing and sex that goes on between Captain Jack and Ianto Jones in TORCHWOOD?

You're absolutely right that gay marriage isn't recognized in many US States.  You might have noticed in my earlier comments, I'm not exactly saying my country doesn't have problems (I notice you can't do the same).  This has been an issue of hot debate here especially in the last 10 years, when Republican politicians tried turning it into an issue they could campaign on obstructing it.  It backfired horribly on them and created a public dialogue.  And that's why we've gone from no marriage equality in all 50 states to it being legal in 19 (plus Washington DC).  The more people talk, the faster the tide is turning.  Injustice has a way of saying, "Hey there, I'm injustice!" once you start talking to it.

Because of that, I really wanted to keep THIS discussion going- because I think that's how change happens.  I'll give you credit that you've been more or less civil TO ME during all this, even when I was hitting you with some very ugly statements.  You seem prepared to keep the discussion going without going full-out nuclear.  I'd like to think if we talked about this long enough (and there wasn't a language barrier)... you'd come around.  

But your reaction to that first video makes me think it'd take a very, very long time.  And that you think the second video is something approaching a reliable news source... oy vey.  Wisdom never comes from someone wearing a polo shirt.  So... I'm going to block you just to drive a stake through the heart of what would be a stalemate of many, many years.  As we say over here... "uncle".  I forfeit.  You win.  As Robin Williams would say, let the asshole have the last word- and in this case I guess it's me.

But I'll leave you with this... twenty years ago, I wonder if I'd have been weirded out by that first video.  I had a sheltered Catholic upbringing in Cincinnati, Ohio and didn't know any gay people (well actually, I knew TONS- but I just didn't know it yet)- they were mysterious alien-like beings who only existed in New York and San Francisco.  If you saw people identified as gay, it's because they were being made fun of via stereotypical representations in POLICE ACADEMY movies or Eddie Murphy's stand-up comedy (and if that sentence doesn't date me as a child of the 80s, I don't know what does).  I got older and (slightly) wiser, went to college, moved around the country a bit... and through life experience realized they were just ordinary fuckin' people (except usually with better taste in music and movies).  They stopped being "the other".  Once you really have a chance to think about it, discriminating between straight and gay is as random as discriminating between brunette and ginger.  It's just goddamn stupid and silly. 

Like you say: misunderstanding of our logics so different.

It's been interesting, CleverFox.

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CFoxTwo In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-05 22:33:17 +0000 UTC]

Bad stuff still bad. Some bigger, some less but still bad.
Problem not in kiss or sex, problem how video image russian in our react.
It is not near what really is, don't you understand? 
We have problems but it's not big how your media show it.
Talk is good, what do radicals not.
But again West support radicals.
Cool story bro, but I have in friends gay couples and they agree that radicals make only bad opinion about LGBT.
Ehh... I see, you want keep this discussion SO MUCH that you bannish me, such a wonderful logic.
In Russia we say: "not last word for asshole"
Go to Russia, see what really going on in Russia, not in you shows.
And goodbye, no stalking your arts for me. It's pity.

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PaulHanley In reply to CFoxTwo [2014-06-05 23:38:34 +0000 UTC]

Wow- Robin Williams really was right!

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KaijuSamurai In reply to PaulHanley [2014-06-02 10:08:13 +0000 UTC]

Drop that mike, Paul. Drop it like a boss.

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ultrakoichi In reply to PaulHanley [2014-05-24 07:44:11 +0000 UTC]

Okay cool. Thanks for that keep up the great work!!

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deadelk In reply to PaulHanley [2014-05-21 11:54:31 +0000 UTC]

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PaulHanley In reply to deadelk [2014-05-21 12:03:18 +0000 UTC]

Well, the Earth is allegedly round, too.  I haven't seen it firsthand, but there's a lot of talk.

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curtsibling [2014-05-21 09:02:29 +0000 UTC]

Amazing cover, sir!

Well, the Ukraine had better worry now!

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