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Yeah, this is one that makes me head desk more than I should. This is for the rabid, weak-minded, so-called "Christians" who think anything related to science is evil, and for the anti-theists and anti-religion folks in general who have this arrogant attitude that their faith in science (scientism) makes them mentally superior, and those who have a religion can not possibly contribute to science.
You're both wrong.
To those of weak faith: science is studying God's design and creation for the sake of knowledge, and can go hand in hand with religion. While a knowledge in science is not necessary to worship and grow in your relationship with God, it is still a lot of fun and can do a lot of good for God's creation. Both creationists and theistic evolutionists have contributed to society and their love for God is reflected in their scientific works.
And if you're a secular evolutionist, then congrats. Just recognize the fact that believing in God is not contradictory to practicing science.
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Indeed, it's like asking "What is more important, words or numbers?"
Often we keep asking 'How' that we forget to ask 'Why'? If you don’t believe because you’re scientific minded that’s alright, just don’t harass people (online or otherwise) who DO believe in a religion, whether they be Christian, Catholic or Wiccan. After all, everyone can believe in anything they want, as long as they don’t deliberately hurt anyone/anything with words or malicious actions.
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I find Scientist shouldn't waste their time on religion because A most people know most of the stuff in the Bible is not real and B there are bigger problems we should be doing something with like the Bee population declining.
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Science and religion are incompatible. A scientist must not believe in anything blindly, (s)he must require experimental proof of every statement. When someone calling oneself a scientist says: "I am studying the god's creationts", I shall ask him/her: "But how will you prove that these are god's creations and not nature's?"
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yeah jsut look at this site for exmaple godandscience.org/
though I would disagree with them about the possibltly or alien life, hsonty to think that this is they only planet where God made life is putting artificial limits on his power
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Good stamp. Their argument is an exceedingly annoying and fallacious argument.
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Creationism sounds like a fun belief. But I'm open to many things.
However, I have a strong belief that the way we came, was not what the common media believes.
In other words, I'm one of those alien times believers. 
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Also, our early scientists and doctors were Catholics. So I don't see their argument when it was Christianity that actually gave birth to scientific practices. I agree, science is studying God's creation and in most cases to does a lot of good for his creation and increases our knowledge. I'm a strong Catholic and I ENJOY science, it's so much fun and curious and interesting! Always teasing the mind and like children, we'll wanna know how it works. ^_^
I think This world is like an observatory, classroom, and playground for us human beings.. i mean, take a look at the galaxy.. everything is so beautiful, yet LARGE and curious... God did this all just for us.. we're imperfect, therefore, our conclusions in science will have error but the more we learn, the easier it is to understand how perfection such as God can create such perfect nature for us to study using science!
(Sorry I said more than I planned to..) o 3o
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God created the laws of science, and He can and will bend them.
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the funny part is the further science progresses the more it proves god exists
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Science discovered a 'god participial' something smaller than a atom no amount of science can explain why this participial is so small, and so powerful if you split this it explodes larger than spiting an atom
Me: MOM! Science proved god exists! *returns to playing pokemon*
My mom: Oh cool.
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"science vs. religion"
bcause people just cant have opinions anymore
i rlly just don't like the debate b/c they just bash each other for opinions
people can have opinions as long as it does not turn into bigotry yo
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Science is how, religion is why. Our Heavenly Father created the universe, and science is our using the tiny and imperfect shred of awareness and wisdom we have to learn about that universe through observation.
The gospel of the fall of Adam and Eve and the Atonement of Jesus Christ are universal; science seems to reinvent itself every several decades. It's not a knock against science; I like and respect science. But it does put our own understanding into perspective. We may be absolutely irrefutably perfectly sure about everything we know regarding space, physics, and biology now... But so was everyone before us. If we find out that God created Adam through a long-term evolutionary lineage or if we find out our oft-revised hypothesis of long-term evolution is completely off, the end is the same.
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to me its just basically this "Religion does not say science is wrong, but rather its not the only thing that is right"
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Their is no argument. Theists just want to to believe their is. Thinking that religion overrides science or that faith and science have equal footing is a delusion. Science is what happens when you have facts, faith is what happens when you think you don’t need any facts. Faith is the greatest for of ignorance and laziness. It is for those who are happy not knowing how things work.
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You would have happened to read the works of GK Chesterton? It seems like you have alot of it
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I've only read snippets here and there, but I plan on buying one of his books someday to have a thorough reading and understanding of his theology.
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to me the point is its not to say science is wrong, but rather its not the ONLY thing that is right
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you would really like his theology, look him up on youtube, he's probably one of the best Catholics of his time
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So true. I think a lot of people forget that Einstein, a great scientist, once said, "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
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Don't forgeeeeeet~!
Galileo and Isaac Newton were Christians
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Galileo, yes! However, I believe Isaac Newton was more of a deist who respected the Bible. That is debatable, but he was religious/spiritual either way.
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I'm just saying, since many sources point towards Newton being a Deist, despite some people thinking him a Christian. XD I just like to let other people know what I am aware of.
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Both sides need to stop attacking each other.
I'm sick of anti-theists, but I also hate Fundies because they only make the anti-theists more angry.
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"Yeah, this is one that makes me head desk more than I should. This is for the rabid, weak-minded, so-called "Christians" who think anything related to science is evil, and for the anti-theists and anti-religion folks in general who have this arrogant attitude that their faith in science (scientism) makes them mentally superior, and those who have a religion can not possibly contribute to science."
/facepalm. For starters there is no such thing as "scientism", since science is not a religion, no matter how many times you pretend like it is. Secondly there is a reason why so very many actual scientists are atheists, or at the worst strongly agnostic.... Because religion & science cannot co-exist. Both make mutually exclusive statements about objective reality & only one can be right... An one of these things has given us life extending medical technology, communication, mass transit & the other gave us the dark ages, open bigotry & regressive combative tribalism.
"Both creationists and theistic evolutionists have contributed to society and their love for God is reflected in their scientific works."
Really? Name me one major break through in any field of legitimate science made by a creationist
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Whether or not science is a religion (and it isn't), there will still be people who base their morality on science; there is also the fact that you can have a philosophy/belief system that is not based on a belief in god, but on something else. Hence, scientism: it's a philosophy and belief system based on a non-deity subject called science. There are people who live like this and it's an actual term. I was not saying it was a religion in the slightest.
As for the contributions religious scientists have made (exclusively creationist ones anyway), feel free to check out the link I posted to another stamp, which has a long list of various scientists from the past and present. It's under the "Creationism is not asinine stamp".
P.S.: Catholic priests were responsible for the Big Bang theory, and the father of genetics himself was a priest as well. If you know your history, you will find a long list of theists and deists who contributed to the advancement of technology and other sciences.
Do society a favor and educate yourself before talking crap on a subject you know little about; hopefully what I told will open your eyes a little and prompt you to research beyond whatever anti-theist, biased literature you seem to read. This is the last you will hear from me, so good luck bro.
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"Whether or not science is a religion (and it isn't), there will still be people who base their morality on science;"
That doesn't make scientism any more of a thing, its something you've made up.
"there is also the fact that you can have a philosophy/belief system that is not based on a belief in god, but on something else"
Sure, you know what the school of philosophy science is part of is called? Methodological naturalism... Not scientism. Don't make shit up to cover your own ignorance on a topic, because people will come along & point out how ignorant what you are saying is.
"As for the contributions religious scientists have made (exclusively creationist ones anyway), feel free to check out the link I posted to another stamp, which has a long list of various scientists from the past and present. It's under the "Creationism is not asinine stamp"."
Except that it DOESN"T address my statement which is "Name me one major break through in any field of legitimate science made by a creationist."
"Catholic priests were responsible for the Big Bang theory, and the father of genetics himself was a priest as well."
No: Vesto Slipher did not posit the big bang theory... Yes, we've all heard this claim before & it is a cop-out. Vesto Slipher noticed a doppler shift in spiral nebula... To say that he created the big bang theory is like saying that the first primates discovered space travel by pointing to a star at night, then trying to walk to get closer to it.
"Do society a favor and educate yourself before talking crap on a subject you know little about"
Oh the irony considering i just schooled you on this topic. But isn't that just like a creationist to pretend to know about a subject they are ignorant on.
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I was referring to "scientism", which is a belief many anti-theists hold to set up their moral standards and truth: something science is not supposed to do. www.pbs.org/faithandreason/gen…
Thank you for misreading my description.
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And thank you for dishonestly maintaining a bronze age superstition floating above testable and observable phenomena.
Scientism, as put down there, is a problem. It defeats the point of science to accept it without checking for one's self the truth of the matter.
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Dishonestly maintaining a bronze age superstition floating above testable and observable phenomena? What?
If you have something not-nice to say about what I presented/believe, you can do it in a more upfront way that doesn't pussy foot around what you want to say out loud. I've heard worse, both online and offline.
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Let me put your mind at ease then. I said what I wanted to say. The fact that you chose to then reply with obnoxious rudeness was your own damn look-out. Frankly the amount of respect you've shown me merited little more than a "go fuck yourself" from the outset, but i was trying to show a bit more decorum.
If you can't show equal composure, you're not worth my time.
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I find that the more powerful religious leaders get, the more anti-science they become. Look no farther than Rick Perry
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I have to disagree religious leaders have gotten less power over the years and we still have stupid people.
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I have to disagree. The Vatican is constantly encouraging people to look into science and have given support to scientists and the like; and, of course, there are Protestant ministries such as Answers in Genesis and BioLogos who use their love for God to study science (one for creationism and the other for theistic evolution, respectively). Yeah, there are religious nutcases who are so anti-science it's stupid, but there are many more religious folks who support science. It's not a matter of power but of following the advice found in Peter 3:15.
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"The Vatican is constantly encouraging people to look into science and have given support to scientists and the like"
No actually the Vatican hasn't. The Vatican has encouraged psuedo-scientists to create data that confirmed the religious beliefs of the vatican at the time. Any time anything would be discovered that was contrary to that belief, it was immediately stiffled.
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A surprisingly good rebuttal.
Some liberal religions do promote science, indeed that is the case. However I'm troubled and alarmed by the number of religious fanatics who see science as diabolical and see skepticism as weakness. Take certain lawmakers in the USA for instance.
And not to be a troll, but what is Peter 3:15
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Oh, no worries. I am well aware that there are many religious skeptics about the "evils" of science. They get on my nerves much the same as anti-theists do. Not to mention they continue to harm relationships between religious and non-religious folks in the realms of science, ugh...
And 1 Peter 3:15 is "but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence;" (as taken from here:
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?… ) Basically, it means to be prepared to study your faith and to maturely correct people who make false claims or have questions. So, when a Christian immediately attacks science without doing the proper research because they think it's "evil" or "ungodly", they are ignoring the call to study and learn about their faith, and to speak about it gently.
There's actually a stamp about that topic here if you want to read that too.
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Well, I see where you're coming from. I'm proudly anti-theist. and I've got to admit that my personal experiences have biased me against all religion. It's not a correct or logical bias, I just have it.
and if you ask me, far too many religious folk forget the gentle and reverential bit.
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Haha! Tell me about it. I've had my own share of experiences like that, especially from my old church. Luckily though, I know good Christian communities and people who are happily not like that. It sucks that they're out there though, the "bad" ones I mean. I used to be very rude and arrogant, but then I took a Jesus to the face and realized I was poorly representing him.
But yeah. As corny as this may be, allow me to apologize on behalf of the Christians who gave you a hard time. It sucks for both the religious and non-religious to deal with them.
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Well you've no need to apologize to me. You never did anything to me.
Myself I'm anti-theist and I believe in freedom of religion and a secular government. I like to restrain my own personal hatred of religion to the internet, where flaming and rudeness is the norm. It kind of helps me control the bile inside me.
Don't worry about me, one day I'll get over my trauma
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That is very nice to hear. 
And though I may not like slandering people or ranting on the internet myself (I used to have a bad habit of that, and that lead to me being very bitter) I wish you the best in controlling your inner bile. XD It's not always the easiest thing to do, so I give you credit for acknowledging it and working with it.
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It's like Richard Dawkins said: Just because you know what causes a rainbow doesn't make it any less beautiful.
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This.
A staggeringly huge proportion of the Age of Enlightenment's scientists were not people trying to dispose of religion through science; on the contrary, they were men who were studying the universe BECAUSE they were religious and wanted to understand God's universe, despite the church often telling them not to.
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science breaks the fundamentals of religion as it states that every action has a cause, meaning that free will cannot exist and it uses carbon dating to contradict religion times. not only that, but it breaks the concept that humans are alone with introducing space as there are bacterias on moon and evolution generally contradicts it.
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