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No matter how many times people have repurposed the archetype they never fix the narrative. All the authors of any religion are merely petite demiurge unable to bridge the gaps of their gods. Have a nice worldview.
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I think I may have an explanation for those two passages.
In part of those two chapters of Matthew and Luke, Jesus was talking about how Christians would be persecuted by many people for their devotion to him.
In some cases those people could even be in their own families.
So he says he has come to bring division of those families because of their violent relationship towards each other formed by their opposing beliefs and that they should trust that he would bring them salvation regaurdless of their situation.
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Fair enough. But we are pattern seeking animals looking to make sense of our world. You read these passages and interpreted it the way you did, and that's awesome.
However, others, including Dale Martin of Yale University and New Testament scholar read it very differently.
It also depends on your reason for reading the text. Are you reading from a theological perspective? Historical? Critical? All deterministic factors that will curve your interpretation.
Thanks for commenting!
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No problem. And I'll be sure to keep what you said in mind next time I read biblical passages.
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So the inane ranting baptist types are in fact being perfectly consistent?
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i think he meant, he knew he was going to stir up some trouble...
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I do respect others who earn it. But I don't respect bad ideas. Hanuman bless you.
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You really need some help. God bless you man.
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Next time my parents bitch at me about how great and peaceful jesus is, I'll have to tell them these verses.
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Well religion creates union and division but for the most part it creates great division even amongst those who believe in this "Prince of Peace."
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peace for the peace makers -- war to the others. It all depends on whose side you're on. God is not a pacifist.
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You're the Prince of Contextual Absence. >_>
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I'm not here to argue about this or anything, everyone's got their own way of interpreting text. But saying this is out of context seems unfair.
“I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” (Luke 12:49-53 ESV)
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 ESV)
As a person who was kicked out of their home of nearly 18 years for religious reasoning, I don't see how any of this could be considered peaceful.
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If your folks kicked you out of the house, it was their fault, not the fault of religion.
Religion is used as a catch-all excuse for *both* sides of the discussion.
'I hate believers because *RELIGION*.'
'I hate non-believers because *RELIGION*.'
It's a belief, not a crutch on which to stack every other misgiving to justify it.
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No offense, but you're not in a position to say anything about my experience. You were not there to witness it nor do you know anyone involved. I only mentioned it to prove that these quotes have very much unpeaceful consequences and are still followed by practitioners of the faith. Please understand that I didn't mean to make the post about that and do not intend on discussing it further.
I didn't bring up hating anyone so I'm not sure why you did. I simply thought that stating these quotes were out of context wasn't reasonable since their context actually furthers the interpretation of Jesus not being peaceful.
I have no issue with anyone practicing religion, but you have to admit it does have flaws with real life consequences. You are right, it's not right nor intelligent to base your opinion of someone based off their religion or lack-thereof. It's more important to know what values they actually have over what group they identify with. However, many religious folks get their values from religion without questioning it. Religion influences people. Sometimes for good, sometimes for bad.
Hopefully this makes sense and doesn't come across as too cold hearted. I don't mean to be so.
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No, what you said is not unfair, and I apologize for typecasting you in the role I've seen played all too frequently.
The older a religion, in my experience, the wiser it becomes.
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And the king of "not giving a fuck"
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Zucca is the king of stupidity.
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Fancy that, you boasting ignorance while regurgitation the same tired, context-bereft nonsense while trying to sound like some kind of an authority.
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And here we have the common Christ lover.
Christian: Jesus said to he is to bring peace on earth. :3
Non-Christian: Actually, the whole quote is „Think not that I came to bring peace on Earth, but a sword.“ (Matthew 10:34-35, The Bible)
Christian: YOU'RE TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT! >:[
Do you seriously understand how retarded you sound?
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Of course its easy to blame Jesus for speaking the cold hard reality of what still happen(splits in family and so on). Of course the thing of it is, who is at fault? The person who gave the warning or the people who still carry out the end result?
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Religion is Humanity's fault, for failing to react as a thinking create.
And it'S funny how you say blaming Jesus, like it's his fault. Blaming your imaginary friend is not an excuse.
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I didn't blame Jesus for anything. Nothing I wrote even suggests it. There is a huge difference between 'knowing' and 'causing'. Jesus knew these things would happen and warned people about it.
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After seeing you're profile, I regret replying to you. There is no hope for you. You are a slave to your imaginary saviour.
+1 for my blocked list.
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He has no idea. I've dealt with this idiot before, and he is quite amazing at cherry picking all the stuff he likes. Just look at his gallery... in the context of the Bible he has committed adultery on many accounts, so he will roast in Hell for it. But he believes that those rules don't apply to him because of... reasons... also known as bullshit.
-with love from an agnostic
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Yeah, I replied to the guy and then I saw other posts he made and the colossally retarded bullshit on his profile so I just said to myself „You know what, fuck it. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with another retarded christlover.“ So I blocked him.
And that is Christian Logic my friend. No Christian ever cares about reading the Bible, they only care about what appeals to them. No one admits the Bible means what it says, every believer is convinced it says what they mean. Every religion is based off that morality, Muslims love it: There are the Muslims who say their religion is about peace, and there are Muslims who blow up non-Muslims and rape their 20 twelve year-old wives. The more I learn about history, the more the underlying truth comes out, Religion is, and always was, a scam used by powerful leaders to use fake morality, fake fer of eternal punishment, to control people. Only now when separation of Religion and State exists in nearly all developed countries, is Atheism/Agnosticism gaining momentum. The religious are so blind, too blind to even realise they are fooled. But I guess the old saying is right: It's easier to keep telling lies, then to explain to someone they were fooled.
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I am a Christian who has read the bible, and I honestly thought it was strange and made me uncomfortable and did not make much sense to me. I wanted to read the bible for myself because all of the Christians at church would glorify it. I care about the Bible, because it is the source to Christian philosophy and moral code, but I don't believe in everything it says. There are a lot of things I don't appreciate about Christianity. For example, how the bible enforced gender roles constantly, projecting that they were nothing more than child bearers. I am a Christian, but also a liberal who supports abortions and homosexuality, etc. because I understand that people don't always share my religion and deserve respect and equality. I don't necessarily believe that religion is the cause of terrorism. There are plenty of strong Muslims in the United States who have established peaceful communities and live normal, peaceful lives. I have Muslim friends of my own. Wars were also caused partially because the people did not follow the rules of their own religion. For example, the European crusades. The ten commandments state "Thou shall not kill", but the Europeans were more than willing to march into Islamic territory with their weapons, killing hundreds of innocent Muslims and Jews, etc. (Middle Eastern society was religiously diverse at the time). Studies have shown that people who are religious are happy individuals, but religion can have extremely positive or negative effects. It highly depends on how a religion is interpreted and absorbed. I am religious, but I don't force my religion down other people's throats, I am religious for my own personal benefit, but am not judgmental of atheists, agnostics, or other religions. The religious stories are interesting to me anyway.
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You are not of my concern. You live your life keeping your personal god personal, and I can respect you for that. But even your fellow Christians will argue with you over what you just said. Maybe they're right, maybe you're right, maybe you're both wrong. And not just Christians, any religion. There's no way to tell who's right, everyone has their own interpretation of their own faith, people go to war over this. Since there are so many religions all claiming to be true, Religion disproves itself in that manner, because which is true? We may never know. But since there are so many claiming to be the one true religion, that's an obvious sign they're all scams. And you say this now because human morality has changed. In the first half of the 20th Century and before, Atheists were few and far between, strict enforcement of Religion was mandatory in most nations. LGBT people had no civil rights (openly LGBT at least) and were unprotected legally from hate crimes, and commonly subject to them. Only now, when people are starting to respect others' lifestyles/cultures, do „liberal“ religious people come out. Religious groups all had a common belief, given they are of the same common faith, they just had different opinions on how their religion should affect the state, and certain practices (i.e. Catholics v Protestants: Protestants don't believe in indulgences, Protestants support stricter separation of church and state, Catholics are more traditional). Just think to yourself: out of all the Wars of Christians v. Christians or Muslims v. Muslims, to prove a point, yet the same point, just a different view of that point; was it worth it? Your own faith says you will go to hell, guess I'll see you there.
Long Story Short: Believe what you want to believe, I won't stop you, but I also won't join you.
(And BTW, yes you're right, Religious people are happier than non-religious people. But you forgot to mention, Non-Religious people on average are smarter, but are socially discriminated by the religious majority in many cases, which contributes to unhappiness. It's simple human psychology, having an answer v. in search of answering a question. Having an answer - even if it's not right- makes you feel good, like you've accomplished something, meanwhile, searching for an answer, many of which may never be solved, makes you stressed, tired and possibly hopeless at a certain point. It's like a really hard mathematics problem; you feel better with yourself copying the work from someone else rather than figuring it out on your own.)
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I understand the LGTB citizens were not guaranteed civil rights in earlier eras, but the discrimination was not necessarily because of religious faith, but because of human condition. Whether homosexuality is a sin according to Christianity is still a debatable subject. The bible is obviously not a book that is straight forward on what is acceptable and unacceptable for the most part. While considering Bible stories that have mentioned homosexuality, such as "Sodom and Gomorra", it has been argued that "God" was against the raping and sexual obsessions of the cities' inhabitants and not necessarily the homosexual component. (Although the story ended with incest, the sex was performed with a cause to repopulate and not for bodily pleasures.) However, Christians who were not well educated on their religion assumed that homosexuality was completely immoral and the discrimination continued, but human beings always discriminate. Ever since the beginning of society, women and men were assigned separate jobs that were apart of their "Gender Roles". Since men were responsible for work outside the home, which they believed was more important and more rigorous, they considered themselves superior to women and established control over them. This form of discrimination was created without the influence of religion. Many cases of racial discrimination had nothing to do with religious beliefs, such as the period of segregation between European Americans and African Americans in the Southern United States, both with a Christian majority in their populations. Religion was entirely ignored by European Americans who rioted in the streets, they were hateful towards African Americans solely because of their race. Prejudice comes into play in our daily lives, regardless of our religion and is simply a part of our nature that we need to make an effort to overcome, but I can understand that having a religion can cause more discrimination because it can create more groups to be prejudice towards, leading to religious wars as you had mention.
Atheists may be smarter on average, but humans beings may not always realize this, but they really just want to feel happy more than anything, they just try to find happiness in different ways, whether its through hobbies, accomplishments, or through the happiness of others. But if believing something you can't necessarily prove true or false stands in the way of your happiness, then it is reasonable for you to be an atheist and I completely understand that.
Yes, I believe in God and maybe hell to some degree, but I don't worry about all of my friends going to hell because I don't necessarily know if hell exists. I do fully believe in one god for the sake of feeling significant and to help my emotional status. I am constantly desperate for a purpose to live; I can't stand believing that that I'm simply going to rot away after I die. I don't fear god like some Christian because I don't like to feel like I'm being controlled. I use my religion as a tool, adopting philosophies and rituals as I see fit. I may be an exception as a Christian regarding studying my religion, but there is a significant amount of Christians who's lives do not revolve around religion and are more accepting towards atheists and other religions.
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As I have mentioned, and you correctly stated, yes, faith alone doesn't reflect the feelings of discrimination. But I don't support organised religion because people use their own personal morality and intertwine it with their faith. You support LGBT Civil/Social Equality, you say God loves all even gays; if you don't support it, you say god hates them. If you support abortion, then you say God's OK with it (in reality, there NEVER was a singe mention of abortion in any version of the Bible, or Koran, or Torah...); but if you don't you say god says Abortion is Murder. That's the problem I have with Religion. People use it as a way to „justify“ their beliefs, you will never see an Atheist killing people or protesting to take away the rights of others. And yes, I understand many people use their faith for good moral, like Dr. Martin Luther King exampled. But I'm sorry, I refuse to believe in God, any God(s). The historical evidence is there, nations needed religion to control their subjects. Because the morality was: the state has a strong religious centre, where the belief was the Nation's leader(s) were „chosen by God“, and therefore speaking out against one's country/authority is therefore speaking against God therefore they will burn in hell forever. But now human morality has changed, we have democracy, freedoms to people, which were non-existent during the days of Kingdoms and Empires. Humans are rarely guided by good will, humans need fear to guide towards what the person on top wants the to. It's ironic to me, when a nation has an all-powerful leader who has strict rituals and promotes hate speech (which dispute many religious groups indecisions, pretty much ever major religion promotes some form of hate-based discrimination, Christianity does a lot, if you've actually read the bible, because most Christians don't. A poll taken found out Atheists know more religious texts then religious people, followed closely in second by Jews, then Methodists in third), people see it as an abuse of power, and that leader must be stopped. But God? God can get away with it? It's simple logic really, Religion disproves itself: if there really was a God, and he communicated with all peoples -like he claims he does- then there would be only one religion, and yet there are thousands. Here's some more simple logic: Is God all-forgiving as he claims to be? And even if I don't believe he won't punish me to the end of time (yet somehow still claiming he „loves“ me)? If no, then he doesn't deserve to be worshipped, if he has to restrict my life for him, he can go fuck himself. If yes, then there's no need to worship him. And why the fuck would a God, who claims to love Earth and all it's creations, would create and never stop: disease, warfare, discrimination, starvation, greed, unnecessary/undeserved death, pollution, abuse, rape, torture, denial of science, and restriction of human will/freedoms? You said it yourself, God cannot be proven. So why believe? Religious people always say the same thing. Something scientifically they don't believe is true they say „There's no proof! Therefore it must not be true!“ meanwhile on the topic of their own faith „Proof? No need for proof, that's why it's faith! Believe!“
You know what makes me happy? Not me, I can say that. Never once in my life was I happy with myself. Only with others have I been happy. Being with my Wife, as I have for twelve years now, that's what makes me happy. Being with my daughters, whom I've raised for fourteen years, that makes me happy. My wife is bisexual and both my twin daughters are lesbians. The church in my neighbourhood refused to marry us, and every other fucking church in Europe, because I was Atheist. I always was. When I was a boy, from birth in 1974 until I left my family permanently in 1993, my parents were strict Christians. I'm an only child, so they would always go after me. My grandfather, being an Ex-Wehrmacht soldier during Nazi times, he lost his faith after the war. He told me „How... Why? I was taught as a boy that God loves us all, and he lets this War happen? Every Church in Germany called Hitler 'God's gifted saviour', even the Vatican supported the Nazi Regime. The Jews may lose their faith, for the are forever broken, but Christians... we did this. We killed them. even long before Nazi Germany Christians have been killing Jews. Only a blind fool can call themselves Christian after this.“ My parents rarely ever let me talk to him. My grandfather's atheistic beliefs spread to me, why? Because I questioned. I questioned God, I questioned Religion all together. That's how I raise my kids, not just to read, but to question what they're reading, question everything. Don't live a gullible fool like my parents wanted me to. My parents would punish me, refuse to feed me, order me to leave the house, because I refused to take part in their cult. My mother was even convinced I was possessed by a demon, because I refused to go to church, even to the point where she had a priest come in to put in prayers for me. But you know, I should thank that priest, because without him, I wouldn't have turned so aggressively against religion like I am as quickly. My life has been better without it.
I've been a soldier of the Bundeswehr (The Army in my home country - Germany) since 1994. It always bothered me in Afghanistan, the people there. Not all Arabs are bad, hell not all Arabs are Muslim, but I've had a strong grudge with Islam for a while. But then I realised Christians are no better. If Christians lived in a shit underdeveloped country they would be blowing themselves up for Jesus, if Muslims lived in up-to-modern-pace developed nations, they'd be no different then developed countries as they are now. But there's a thing War taught me: only you can protect yourself. When the Samurai in 1894 ran head on into the modernised Japanese Imperial Army, during the Meiji Restoration, they believed that the Gods would magically protect them from bullets and artillery. It didn't. Modern warfare is no different. God will not save you. Only you can save you, or your teammates if your lucky. I've never dealt with PTSD (which some Christfucks believe PTSD is „punishment from God“ from killing, according to the father of some prick kind in my daughters' school, and don't get me started with the colossally retarded bullshit Americans have to deal with from the worthless sacks of shit at Westboro Baptist), seeing my friends and comrades dying next to me, oddly never bothered me. Sometimes I wish it does, just so I know I can feel. When my grandfather died, that was the only time someone's death upset me. I won't even bothered by my own death. I remember a few years back, a little boy asked me when I visited a Grundschule (Primary School in Germany, or I think Americans call it Elementary School) „are you afraid of dying?“ and the teacher scolded him saying it's an inappropriate question, and I told her it was a good question. And no, I wasn't. War isn't about coming back home, nor fighting to death; it's about making sure people who've never held a rifle in their life to live their lives peacefully. Death comes to everyone, some sooner than others, but no one lives forever. Not everyone dies happy, but me, as long as my family lives long past me, then I can die happy. -That's who I am. I believe in living life here on Earth to your best ability, instead of trying to gain ahead in an imaginary afterlife. I'm 40 now, my time isn't necessarily running out, but that doesn't mean it's not still fading, and mine could end at any moment; all it takes is one mistake on my end, and a well aimed bullet on another.
Don't get me wrong, there are good religious people like you, not everyone I know is Atheist (Even though my wife is Agnostic and both my daughters took after their atheist old man). I have Christian and hell even Muslim and Jewish friends. I can respect the person, but not the belief. I wont lie, I have a strong hatred of Religion, the ideas themselves. I hope one day organised religion just dies, that it one day is considered as immoral and offensive as racism. Either that or the Vatican adopts your philosophy as „true“ Christianity. Listen next time your're learning about history. How many people have died over millennia because of believers declaring them as immoral to God. And the LGBT Community, look at them, they've been discriminated and murdered for thousands of years, by who? Believers. Who really has the better morality there: The Gays who just want to live and love like other human beings, or believers who what to limit their rights and/or kill them?
Look at this, you'll see: www.atheist-meme.com/resources…
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(I could not fit everything I wanted to state in one comment because my computer lagged.) Atheists are far less likely to persecute others because they are a minority group. There are far more Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Hindus than there are atheists and agnostics. More people=more radicals. I became a vegetarian and eventually a vegan within the past two years, but I can't hate anyone who still eats meat because I only know 4 other vegans, 3 of them being family members. I'll be honest that I do get annoyed when people refuse to hear about the cruelty that takes place in the American meat industries, its absolutely filthy, yet people still have an instinct to eat it anyway, so I guess I can compare my dietary choices with your religious ones.
Religion began thousands of years before any central government was formed, humans simply manipulated their religion to favor themselves, but religion itself was not created to control others.
I can not tell whether or not I'm afraid of death anymore, but the only way I can fell that my life would be significant is if I try to help others live happier lives. I don't believe I'm better than any other person because my personality shaped entirely by my upbringing and personal experiences.
I saw the atheist meme, and there was an overwhelming amount of examples of how religious beliefs got out of hand, but I personally would not become an atheist because of those examples because I know most of them either lacked education, exposer, or ignored what the purpose of religion was; initially scientific explanations and now moral instruction, but all of the cases are considerable. When I read history, I honestly see how European/European Americans have persecuted, oppressed, and massacred. Like how religions were designed with good intentions, so were the Europeans/European Americans, but their conquests over inhabitants on foreign continents eventually lead to some form of oppression. As a European American I don't feel bad about my ethnicity, because I do not identify myself as one of those violent racist, selfish European radicals and I don't identify you as one either. This form of thought applies to my Christianity. As long as I can be a Christian and not have people angry with me then I won't be bothered too much.
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(I completely understand why you're an atheist and I do not have an issue with that. I understand that they were worried for you, but what your family did to you was wrong entirely. I'm not trying to turn you into a Christian. The main reason I commented on this because I was because you stated that Christians do not read the bible, and that was not the case for me. (Priests, bishops, nuns, and popes, are also exceptions and a few of my Christian friends have also read the bible.)
The Christian explanation for why rape, greed, murder, disease, etc. are permitted by a God was because humans were allowed "free will". Ever since the existence of Adam and Eve, God gave them the physical ability to sin. However, humans would be punished for their sins. Not necessarily on earth, but after their deaths. Adam and Eve were restrained from the Garden of Eden (which was paradise and/or heaven) which implies that all other humans would be as well. This was done because they sinned and God realized that humans were not morally perfect and easily tempted into behaving "badly", but those who still strived to be virtuous and follow him would in a way be allowed into paradise. Others would be punished.
There actually is some evidence that a God actually exists and that all religions are true. The String theory indirectly proves that by stating that there is an infinite amount of universes beyond our universe with an infinite amount of combinations of how events occurred in each universe. www.netplaces.com/evidence-of-… . For example, you exist in this universe and exist in an infinite amount of other universes, but there are other universes where you don't physically exist. The same thing would apply to religions. A God may exist or not exist in this universe, but one or more definitely exist in other universes theoretically. Civilization on earth in this universe consists of a variety of religions, but in other universes, one of our religions, even a completely different religion, all of our religions, or all of our religions and foreign religions was proven to be true (such as a god personally came to earth and unified everyone or nature spirits were proven to exist (animism). I understand that this is only a theory, but like typical theories, it is supported by scientific evidence. In addition, this theory implies that there are infinite heavens and infinite hells. Whether we ever go to them is uncertain.
When I first found out I was going to die, I was extremely nervous (I was also only five years old , but I cried about it often and I feared death throughout elementary school. However, last year, I ended up being suicidal because I hated life so much. I was always loaded with homework and studying for tests and my home life was falling apart, but I always knew someone else had it far worse than I did, far too serious for anyone to care about an pitiful thing I was going through. Then I decided I was done trying to compete with everyone and I tried slitting my wrist, on the back first because thought of cutting the front made me cringe. But nevertheless I still couldn't even get myself to bleed, even though I was cutting. I can go on by talking about how Christianity helped me overcome that, but I'll spare all the miracle stories because I'm sure you heard plenty of them and they don't really say much because they are superstitious.
Someone in Nigeria tried to justify that homosexuality was wrong through science, but he was a bit of an idiot. I personally don't judge based on religion and there are a lot of people who are just repulsed by it with out religious influences. My friend, who is a lesbian, is repulsed by heterosexual activity. She is also an atheist.
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Then if God gave humans free will there is no reason to worship him. If he still requires us to worship him then it was a idiotic decision to give humans free will. He should have realised that. I find it interesting how religious leaders say „God gave humans free will“ then immediately after that they claim „You MUST follow the word of God and/or [Insert some prophet here] even if it goes against your own morals.“ That's what pisses me off. People use religion as a tool, I could say anything I want, I could bully every LGBT person to suicide with my bible-humping bullshit, I could degrade every woman who's had sex or an abortion to insanity, hell I can even make it a racial issue, as long as I say in the end „God told me to hate those people“ then I'll get away with that bullshit because it's „Freedom of religion“. People don't realise Freedom of religion doesn't give you the right to feel morally superior and use your beliefs as a way to force others' who's lifestyle(s) you don't agree with to live your way. THAT IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH ORGANISED RELIGION! All the abuse and neglect from my conservative Christian parents, and my overall hatred aside; I think about People, people's rights, Laws are created to protect people, NOT beliefs. Not just for Christianity, for any religion. Christianity isn't so different from Islam (besides the fact they are all Abrahamic religions, Judaism is another, they all worship the same god just a different interpretation of that same God: Yahweh, and „Allah“ is just Arabic for „God“, it's not their name for it), you ever noticed: In countries which Muslims are a small minority, they'll say „Islam is a Religion of Peace ;]“, in nations were there is a large Muslim population but not a majority, they say „It's not fair Christians are treated better!“, and in nations with an overwhelming Muslim majority they enforce „FOLLOW ISLAM OR DIE.“ Ever noticed how in nations with a non-Islamic majority, Muslims have limited rights and are subject to discrimination, meanwhile in countries with a Islamic Majority, non-Muslims have NO rights and are at risk of death. Christianity is no different. The only reason Christianity isn't widely as unethical as Islam is because nations with a Christian majority are mostly democratic Developed Nations, were people actually have rights, unlike in Iraq for example.
And your story is no different then mine. How did you really overcome that? It was no God, it was YOU. No deity gives you faith in yourself, you did. Giving someone else credit for what you did is not recommended. And I'm not surprised your lesbian friend is atheist, one of my friends Angie (who is also a lesbian) once told me „I can't understand why anyone who's gay... could possibly be religious.“ and I agree with her. I met Angie through a friend of my wife, who is Angie's older sister. She is one of the few Americans I'm still in contact with, although now Angie (and her fiancée Maria) now live in Canada. I've never seen someone survive what she went through, four suicide attempts, two people attempted to murder her, amongst her own mental battles. She's a very beautiful young woman, she really has none of the lesbian stereotypes, but once people found out they went apeshit on her. She used to live in Central New Jersey, in Ocean County, where my wife grew up, New Jersey is also home to the most (legally recognised) hate groups. Angie was in a mental hospital from 2009-2010 after her third suicide attempt, and again in 2012 after her fourth. Angie was one of the lucky ones who lived. Most don't. Angie's mother asked a local church to help her pay the bills since she couldn't on her own, the church refused because she also asked to donate to Angie's girlfriend Maria who was jumped and had suffered harsh damage to her face and permanent damage to her eyes, the „girlfriend“ part is what made them refuse. To her luck, a friend of Angie Maddison, who was and still is a Doctor, helped pay the bill and provide some medical assistance to them both. Maddison is an Atheist. Angie's mother lost faith that day, because Maria's attackers were former choir boys and part of a Christian youth group, and she wasn't their only target. They would later kill a 15 year-old gay boy from another part of town a year later.
I remember in Afghanistan, 2006, I was deployed there, when my unit was told to advance to a village, I don't remember the name, that an American drone spotted activity there worth investigating. We went in, with support from an American Marine Corps Company, when we came across some guerillas. Long story short, we dealt with them. But we soon found out where the fire first came from. Behind a school, there was the bodies of nine schoolgirls and one teacher, as well as four more girls cowering in the school bleeding badly. The Americans had a translator, whom from another teacher we found the guerillas there (Possible Al-Qaeda) had planned to execute all the girls for „adopting western values“, what actually happened is the teacher was just explaining what voting was, not even saying „Hey! Allah and Muhammed said you're worthless sluts you you can't vote“ or anything along the lines of they should be allowed to vote, just explaining what it is. So Al-Qaeda started shooting them for that. Similar to the Malala Yousafzai thing, except with less recognition. A few news crews came by later, once we started helping the kids, some German, some American, some British, none were from the region. I was bringing supplies from a truck to the building they were in, when one girl started talking to me, I had no idea what she said so after a translator came over he said she asked What was the shooting for. I honestly wanted to tell her, or tell the translator to tell her what I said rather, what I knew: that Muslim extremists would probably want her dead just for allowing westerners to help her, because of the fucked up horseshit your people call a religion. But I just told the translator in the end „just tell her something. I'm busy.“
To be honest I'm tired of arguing and I want to move on. I was never trying to prove anything this whole time, I was only explaining my reasoning. To briefly summarise: to all and any God(s), I refuse to believe in you. You are a tool of humans, a tool used to make people feel morally superior. No weapon will ever be as powerful as that. Ironic how religious folks use their beliefs to get away with every atrocity they commit, yet call us atheists immoral. As I've made quite clear: I don't respect people's religions. I can respect individual people, however, regardless of believer or not. I can't respect people who either want me dead, stripped of my rights, or both; because I don't believe what they do. Even religious people themselves have gone to War over who's a better Christian/Muslim/whatever (Catholic v. Protestant; Sunni v. Shiite; it goes on forever). When religious people can stop killing in their god's name, stop taking away rights of other people they don't trust in their god's name, trying to justify their elitist actions in their god's name, and overall be a fucking waste of a human life in their god's name; then I'll respect them. But that's probably not going to happen, definitely not in my lifetime, maybe never. Maybe after I die I'll go to hell, but it'll be worth it, if there is a heaven and it is filled with Christians, then hell is the place for me.
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I'm sorry, but I don't come from a society like that. I'll be honest, I've never left my own country, and most of the time, the news never has stories about religious hate crimes or refusal from churches. Most of my friends are atheist/agnostic, and there is almost no tension between us. They do not have strong feelings towards other religions like you do and I don't try to force it up everyone's rear. Those "people" are not "my people", I've never met terrorists or extremists who murder and torture others based on their, but I will admit, I have met people who were against homosexuality and abortions and went to extremes to make me change my mind.
You can abuse religion if you want, and make everyone hate you, but you won't benefit from that.
Islamic society once a place that valued education and accepted all religions, people have just took religion and abused it completely. Like knowledge, it can be used for good and evil, if religion is taken too seriously by too many people, chances are it will be misused. (I hate to tell you this, but atheists have their own church and there are churches that have accepted homosexual marriages ) But, your reasoning is more than justifiable and I accept it. You did change my perception of religion to some degree and you made me more aware of what is happening in the world and I will thank you for that. I saw a lot of comments on this site like "Fuck Jesus" or just random controversial statements and I wanted to know what that was about as well. Everyone has the right to their opinion and I have the right to mine. Sometimes I will state it. I won't kill people to get it across it cross or use other forms of scare tactics.
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As I've already stated, you are not my issue. You realise the importance of a personal God and I can respect that. You have the right to believe, as that has been established in most nations, as long as you don't use your beliefs to promote elitist intentions/actions then I can respect you for that. You can keep believing as long as you keep it to yourself. As I've already said: I won't stop you, but I won't join you.
You probably never have in person, but I've seen victims of religion, from War, from simple intolerance. I've been to Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan and Uzbekistan, and from what I've seen there made me question faith in general. The War aside, just people in those regions suffering, either they're praying the wrong god, or their god doesn't care for them, or no god will ever answer. Just the war itself, our side prays to one god for our soldiers to return home safely and for victory, the other side prays to destroy their enemies. The Middle east is stained blood red from thousands of years of Warfare, prayer obviously is doing nothing. Someone's prayers aren't being answered, someone's wasting their fucking time, could it be, everyone? Not just War, but people I call my friend shave suffered from the organised cults people call religion. Some of my gay friends local churches tried to „pray away their gay“. Their families, even though christian, were denied services from the church. All christians do is cherry pick their bible, only care about the verses that appeal to them. All religion is the same. The only difference between a cult and a religion is in a cult the person on top knows it's a scam, in a religion that person is dead.
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I've wrastled with this one too many times to know you're just pissing in the wind right now, friend.
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Zucca-Xerfantes ... have you not yet realized that people block you because you're a fucking idiot? That's why I blocked you, that's why DPortZeGerman blocked you...
What version of the Bible? Hah... really? Have you fallen this low? You're a failure as an intellectual mister Zucca-Xerfantes here is a link to the same verse of all the different translations/versions of the Bible: biblehub.com/matthew/10-34.htm and as you can see they all say the same (only one says 'conflict' rather than 'sword' but I don't see how that saves your ass)! You fucking dumbass, go educate yourself on the Bible. Intelligence 1:0 Christianity.
-with love from an agnostic
PS. the only mentally handicapped here is you, Zucca
PSS. and no... I'm still not stalking you, so you can't play the victim card like you usually do in order to get your way, you dirty SJW.
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Since blocked me immediately after dropping that comment, I beg you pardon my using this response to draw his attention...
The following is the comment I intended to write him:
And tell me, seeing as you're the scholar here...
... what version of the bible are you quoting from?
Also: Very classy, bringing the mentally handicapped into this.
Big man.
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I've often thought about these passages. It's interesting that this kind of rhetoric sounds very similar to quotes from revolutionists both past and present. For instance, Vladimir Lenin apparently once said, "Destroy the family, you destroy the country." I guess you have to burn away the old world to make a new one, rather you're the followers of the son of god or a humanist.
I know this isn't much of an observation, but I thought it might be a nice change of pace from impotent defenses and Atheist short stroking. Though the latter is amusing, and dare I say, sexy.
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Well if you kill all who oppose you there will be peace
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