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This is an OLDER picture, maybe two years old. Despite some anatomical problems I still think this is a cool picture. I tried to convey through their clothing and weapons the fact that the Trojan war traditionally took place at the end of the Bronze Age, sometime in the twelfth century bce.I always considered Hector much more heroic than Achilles. He was a man fighting for hearth and home, wife and children. Achilles was, at best, a mercenary with a huge ego. That makes Hector's death even more tragic, and the author of the Illiad is well aware of this. The scene where Hector says goodbye to his wife Andromache and his son Astyanax is incredible and touching. Anyway, this is the fight, the Rumble in the Bronze.
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Vous avez sans doute raison, plt25, mais deux choses à préciser quand même.
La première, c'est qu'Achille avait le choix entre une vie glorieuse et courte et une vie paisible et longue. Il a choisi la première : c'est à mettre au bénéfice du caractère héroique du personnage.
La seconde, c'est qu'Hector n'est pas un nom troyen; il s'agit d'un nom grec que l'on trouve déjà dans l'écriture mycénienne, le linéaire .
"Homère" n'avait pas de nom de héros pour défendre Troie et il a choisi un grec dont le nom était déjà héroïque et en a fait l'idéal du grand combattant aimant femme et enfant et mourant pour eux et sa "patrie".
Vous avez un très joli trait de "crayon".
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Love your style. It is my favorite greek myth. I agree about hector. Keep up the good work.
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Always thought both were equally heroic - and equally egotistical. Remember that when Hector slew Patroclos, he BRAGGED to the boy he just cut down and to everyone else that he would desecrate his carcass. Only reason he failed to do this was because the Greeks fought him and his men off and rescued the boy's body.
I can't help but wonder if he hadn't tried that, Achilles might've JUST killed him rather than do only exactly what Hector had tried to do to his friend.
Also several times he's given good advice but - unlike in the movies - he laughs them off, sealing his own fate.
........................oh yeah and then when Achilles does come at him the first thing he does is "heroically" run from him, round and round the walls of Troy until Athena - disguised as Deiphobus his brother - appeared. So when he's got an army at his back he's got the gall to murder a boy and desecrate his corpse, but when he's caught alone he flees? Such heroism! lol
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Well remembered. The Hector from the Troy movie is actually more selfless and prudent than the Hector from the Iliad (this Hector is censured by Zeus himself when, after killing Patroclus, he wears Achilles' armour).
Also I don't think we can just call Achilles a merceneray. He wasn't hired to fight for Greece. He may have a giant ego, but he fights beside the Greeks because they are his comrades. And about heroism, we are used to thinking of heroes as selfless people, but that is not exactly how it worked for the Greeks. As Paquito-2 said, the choice for a short and glorious life instead of a long and pacific one made by Achilles is part of the heroic character, and let's not forget that Hector also had a desire for glory. They are both heroes, the difference is, in my opinion, that Achilles is the heroe that fights most for his glory, and Hector is the heroe who fights most for his nation.
But apart from that, the details in the drawing are really nice.
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According to the Iliad, Achilleus had special armor made for him by the gods, and yet in later accounts, he was sumberged in the river Styx as a baby, making him invulnerable except for his heel, which his mother was holding (another version states that he was tempered with divine fire).
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HECK YES to your analysis of Hector vs. Achilles. I give Achilles credit for manning up at the end and going off to fight even though he knew he was going to die, but it doesn't quite redeem him from the fact that he still spends 90% of The Iliad sulking in his tent while his comrades were dying and Hector was desperately fighting not to lose everything (and keeping his brat of a brother from crawling into some hidey-hole and letting everyone else pay for HIS mistakes - I have zero respect for Paris, either). I love Hector's goodbye to Andromache and Astyanax too. Especially the part where Astyanax is afraid of the feathers on his father's helmet so Hector takes it off. For some reason, that very realistic little detail just makes the whole scene for me. Because in middle of all the larger-than-life drama and epic-ness (is that even a word?) that's just such a heartbreaking way of reminding you that these are very real people, and very real families getting destroyed.
Anyway, the picture is AMAZING! Love how many details you put into their armor, the helmets, the weapons, it's just amazing! I love that you actually bothered to make it historically accurate. It definitely is a very cool picture! The poses are very dynamic and there's a great sense of action.
PS - Although Hector is awesome, my favorite hero from the Trojan war is actually Odysseus. What's your opinion on him?
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Wow. Thanks.
First off, that scene with Hector and his family is one of my favorites. Achilles is what he is. You have to give credit to the ancient Greeks for writing a poem in which the most heroic people are the people they were fighting against, like Hector and Aeneas.
Odysseus is a mixed bag. He's kind of a bastard but there's no denying he's a clever one.
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For sure I agree with you! Achilleas was fighting for glory, while carelessly slaughering inocent people
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Almost anthropologically correct love the depiction almost like it belongs on a greek vase.
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Many thanks. Bronze Age Greece has always been a favorite of mine.
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It is not easy to find an artist depicting this conflict that takes the historical facts into account...well done!.
The pic is good as it is.
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Nice work. Like the detail applied here. I thihnk you'd enjoy David Gemmell's Troy series. He puts a really fresh light into the Illiad.
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I appreciate it. I'll check the Troy series out. I read his 'Lion of Macedon' a long time ago and enjoyed it.
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is nice picture but i dont like the helms couse in in illyria greece thracia macedonia they dint have chinnese helms
but is nice picture
and about hector hector was weak man without honor hi and paris are responsibled for DEATH OF TROY
just couse a ho
achilles was a fighter for hem self a good one and hi fighted with honor
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Well we all have our own opinions. Thanks for sharing.
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I prefer Hector better too, not to mention that there are more dimensions to his character; a family man, a protector of Troy, an authorative older brother..etc., instead of Achilles who's just a cocky bastard with ego puffed up to the high heavens! black and white line artwork are not usually the type of style I go for, but yours is just excellent, and I adore the subject matters you choose to portray in your work.
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I am right with you on Achilles and Hector. Thanks for the praise and I'm glad you enjoy my style. That's just how I roll!
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Thanks for the comment, and the favorite. You a fan of the Iliad?
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i didnt get 2 read it but i've seen movies, played the games, and studied the mythology, from what i kno all of homer's work was jaw-dropping
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You should definitely check out the book...well worth it. Thanks for the watch by the way!
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ill get around 2 it some day...im sur it is thank u for the bada$$ fight scene
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Thanks! By the way I love your signature tag...Vale!
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Nice to see some historical armor for the period
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It's even nicer to see somebody who actually noticed. That was really my whole point for doing the picture, to try to show a Mycenean warrior fighting a Hittite warrior. Troy wasn't necessarily Hittite but it was certainly heavily influenced by them. I appreciate the comment and the historical interest!
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Have a wonderful day!
~SnoCat
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Always love a comment like that!
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~SnoCat
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Right back at ya! (Except for the old lady part).
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I like them too. People tell me that I should do some more action poses, and I think they're right. Thanks!
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I like this - great detail working on the armoury. 
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Glad to see somebody enjoyed it. Nothing like a bronze age rumble. Nothing.
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*lol* True, true. Now we´d only need a time machine to see one.
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