HOME | DD
Psyco-The-Frog β Characters with same abilities
#125 #amy #antoine #archie #big #chao #chaotix #charmy #cheese #comics #cream #espio #froggy #heroes #knuckles #lupe #mina #tails #vector #wolf #destructix #bunnierabbot #e123omega #lupethewolf #mightythearmadillo #rougethebat #shadowthehedgehog #sonicthehedgehog
Published: 2017-05-24 21:13:01 +0000 UTC; Views: 5469; Favourites: 38; Downloads: 1
Redirect to original
Description
Just realized that the exact word that was used in this argument was "role" but that's just semantics at this point. Anyway, this was an old argument used against the idea of having archie comic characters in the games, and to that, Sonic Heroes proved their point to be a fallacy. Yes, teams weren't made of heroes with the same roles, but the fact still remains that 4 different teams were formed out of 3 heroes and specific roles.One thing you have to look at is felling different roles is not a requirement, it only was in heroes because the levels are designed specifically to require a character with a certain role to progress through certain areas with no foreseeable alternate route. This is a bit more lax in the fan game Sonic Worlds, but some levels are still designed with that in mind, but still lax.
There's also the other fact that not every character has the exact set of abilities and maybe even able to fit multiple roles. For example, let's look at Tails, Sally, Rotor, and Nicole. All 4 are smart and can work with technology better then other characters, Nicole herself being a living AI makes her overqualified. What you gotta look at is the fact that all 4 have a number of abilities or even more then others.
-Tails can Fly.
-Rotor's strong, can fly, and control nanites(granted he has that suite he used before the reboot, basically being Sonic's Ironman).
-Sally can fit the power role for specifically cutting(granted Sal's swords are used from the reboot) may could be stealthy if mechanics were made for it and could be faster then Rotor.
-Nicole can access cyber space and control nanites.
These 4 in any team of 3 could fit more then one role or make up for what others lack. Take that and apply it to what other characters can do and you can have a lot of different combinations, Bunnie is also a good example as she's strong, can fly, and shoot projectiles, making her a triple threat and another Ironman, or IronHeart respectively. On another note, the issue those strips were taken from was #125 when the Xorda attempted to destroy mobius, and almost every character in the comic universe formed an army to stop them. What roles were being filled didn't mean shit as long as they could fight.
Related content
Comments: 12
Now we got main hero role that only fit Sonic and Sonic only because nobody like Sonic's friends and Sonic is effectively Jesus in hedgehog form since Robotnik is too incompetent to takeover the world when Sonic around and Sonic's friends the one who help stop Robotnik's evil plan in the past are too incompetent to stop Robotnik in the present.Β
π: 0 β©: 0
I am confuse by your statement. Is it a complant of the three split which persist in the other games such as extreme gear games. I think they trying to make a balance with convenience. Β Β
Some lets player manage to find few alternate routes by using tornado jumps and backing up for long jumps. There were still some parts that were mandatory. Β
It does question what happen to some of the characters previous abilities like Tails lifting a ton in Sky Patrol. Are chalking that one to reboot? There also the question in latter games of Shadow pulling a light post with one arm in his game.Β
π: 0 β©: 1
Just because mutliple characters have similar abilities/roles doesn't mean there's no room for them when they can fill multiple roles.
π: 0 β©: 1
Oh the specialization problem. Β It could be consider part of reason for the downfall of Knuckles' character. Β It has also been the concern that it would be the fate of the other characters. Guessing they have difficulty telling the newbie who is who. When I mean newbies I include 1st time writers and fans.
π: 0 β©: 1
"Oh the specialization problem. Β It could be consider part of reason for the downfall of Knuckles' character."
No, that doesn't have anything to do with roles and abilities.
"Guessing they have difficulty telling the newbie who is who. When I mean newbies I include 1st time writers and fans."
I'm pretty sure they just didn't want to, there is nothing difficult to discuss in this series to discuss, outside of why Sega chooses to pander to fuck boys who aren't even fans, if the answer isn't justifying their own lack of understanding Sonic.
π: 0 β©: 1
you get a role in order to do a part and sometimes it is very specific. The wanted a strong guy and exaggerated so much that later on made him two notes, Strong and dumb jokes because stereotyping.
Making it for not for the fans which could mean first timers aka rookies. It could be something else it not always that binary. If it is for those that not care for it maybe part of them feel that they should give another shot or Β they may have been obligated to. Β
Speaking of obligation That could mean that the possible uncaring makers did that in order to have the Shadow game. They must really wanted do Shadow.
π: 0 β©: 1
"you get a role in order to do a part and sometimes it is very specific. The wanted a strong guy and exaggerated so much that later on made him two notes, Strong and dumb jokes because stereotyping."
That still isn't the kind of role I meant. This was about abilities, not character roles, and even that is a fault of writing, which you've seen me talk about before.
"Making it for not for the fans which could mean first timers aka rookies."
I don't know how you jumped to this assumption but that's clearly not the case when so many people said and repeated the same things for a decade going against Sonic being cool and having a good story, that's not first timer or rookie behavior.
"It could be something else it not always that binary"
I've stated what that something else could be for 4 years, which you've seen me do.
" If it is for those that not care for it maybe part of them feel that they should give another shot or Β they may have been obligated to."
When you constantly argue that a series shouldn't be what it's suppose to be, that's not the case.
"Speaking of obligation That could mean that the possible uncaring makers did that in order to have the Shadow game. They must really wanted do Shadow."
Fans asked for that, as well as guns.
π: 0 β©: 1
Many fans say repeatedly not new comers. It can be said that they overdid it at Team Rose. Β Β
True that there are those that want a gun game, but they want to make build up for Shadow. He was thought to be dead in Adventure 2. Β
Surprisingly, the writer of Heroes was the one who did the Adventure games. Guessing there was difficulty with the walking talking.Β
π: 0 β©: 1
"Many fans say repeatedly not new comers."
It's been around for over 2 decades so that's to be expected, but being a newcomer would suggest they're actually a fan.
"True that there are those that want a gun game, but they want to make build up for Shadow. He was thought to be dead in Adventure 2. "
I know all this.
"Surprisingly, the writer of Heroes was the one who did the Adventure games. Guessing there was difficulty with the walking talking."
It was the director, Izuka, that decided to make that game rather then SA3.
π: 0 β©: 1
If it is from another media which is a high possibility. However each product is someone's first.
Another guess wanted to do trio comrade aspect. There were some missions in Adventure that felt like they were met for a few characters working together. however in execution did not go as plan. Really missed out on bringing back Hyper Knuckles.
π: 0 β©: 1
"If it is from another media which is a high possibility. However each product is someone's first."
That's still a leap from becoming a fan to pushing an agenda for 12 years on wrong pretenses and lies.
π: 0 β©: 0
THAT! That's exactly what I wanted to bring up in my next meme, but you overtook me on that one. It's exactly what I think could be the best way to bring other characters in the games: put them multiple abilities and not just revolve on one. In SA1 or SA2, using only one or 2 abilities was fine due to the Dreamcast limitations, but nowadays, it just feels weird. And since they're only using Sonic as the only playable character cause "who cares about those shitty friends" after all, we only have one single gameplay style, which is high speed platforming (even though I'm more and more questioning myself if we can count the platforming here, from what we saw of Forces' gameplay). Give Tails the ability to fly, but also some puzzle to add up the brains behind it, and of course some platforming too. Knuckles is not just a musclehead, bring the treasure hunting/exploration back, and add a notch of beat 'em up. And as to make long forgotten characters return to the big screen, use Mighty for beat 'em up and high speed platforming, while Ray would have a Space Harrier-like gameplay, with him flying and shooting his darts from the comics.
And as you said, you can bring at least the SatAM characters and the ones created by Ian Flynn (I talked to him about using a certain version of a robotic clone in a future project of mine, he told me Sega ownspretty much all the characters he created) to the roster, step by step. Of course Bunnie could be an Iron Man type of character, but add Antoine and he could be a speedy swordsman with a good amount of speed, as he is since the reboot!
But the problem is people will most likely go into a flame war either because of "more shitty friends" for the less acknowledged crowd, or because "it's not the exact same ones we're accustomed to" for the ones who know SatAM or the Archie comics. So we're in that weird status quo of Sega having their butt between two chairs and not doing what seems a really good idea.
π: 0 β©: 0