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punctual3 — Can you call them Pro Life now?
Published: 2013-06-13 15:32:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 7651; Favourites: 181; Downloads: 0
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First of all, 99% of the time, no babies are killed during abortion. Most abortions are carried out when the fetus is just a non-sentient fetus. The few times when they happen during late-term pregnancies is to preserve the mother's life, or when the baby won't survive childbirth.There are, however, loads of instances in which anti-abortionists have directly and indirectly killed actual people. There was that tragedy with Savita Halappanavar, who was refused abortion, and died as a result of a miscarriage: [link] .
There have also been many accounts of anti-abortionists first-degree murdering/injuring doctors and bombing clinics/hospitals (just naming some examples):
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In addition, any attempt to illegalize abortions will just result in making abortions unsafe. Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 women a year. On top of that, an average of 300,000 women die from childbirth each year.
No one who values life would support any of this.
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A fetus is not a child. It's not even sentient before 2 months. Almost no abortions happen after that time. So, your argument is invalid.
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I'd hardly call a conclusion taken from scientific sources an "opinion" but I will enjoy it, thank you.
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Science isn't always right.
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Nice showcase of how you're incapable of conversing like an adult when you get in over your head.
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Saying suhc makes us think that we are right, and you have no points, and our facts win.
Fetus isn't a child. IT won't be unless it's after 2 months, and if it's out of the woman's body.
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And that ladies and gentlement is the level of intellectual thinking that most in your ball court will bother with.
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You were the one you started arguing with me, princess. So no, you fuck off.
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Lmao, JennaJane just baww'locked me. Why is it only pro-lifers who wimp out and block me over arguments that THEY started on MY page?
But anyway, my reply to her is this: If you can only handle so much bullshit at once, you must always have a difficult time hearing yourself talk.
Bon débarras, poulet
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My stance on when life starts is this: if a person is clinically dead when their heart stops, then until the fetus's heart starts its not alive yet.
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Where the previous deviant who commented on your statement made a valid point- that the line between life and death according to human biology is the function or lack there of of our brains; there's nothing wrong with holding your own stance or view on the matter.
If you feel that you couldn't hurt a tiny embryo who's itty bitty heart started beating, then that's perfectly within your rights. 
I feel similarly, actually. But I only holds those standards for myself, because you must recognize that no one is the same and that we aren't all capable of certain things. Pregnancy being as drastic and stressful as it is is nothing to joke about. If a woman feels like she can't handle pregnancy,I would not resent or condemn her. :/
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Oh, the heart can think can it? I thought the brain did that.
Life starts when we, the thinking entity, exists. When we wake up for the first time. Not when something that we do 5 months earlier than this starts, and certainly not when there are creatures with no central nervous system that have "heartbeats".
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My german friend hasn't killed anyone, does that mean the holocaust never happened?
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Which is exactly the point I was making. One has nothing to do with another. You want to be anti choice fine with me but don't pretend these murders never happened.
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Other prolifers have though (as shown in this description). So, nah, the stamp contains much truth.
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Pro-lifers have killed over 50 million people?
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If you're honestly making the implication that the number of deaths caused by abortion is anywhere near 50 million, I've already argued against the notion in the description.
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The idea that a non-sentient being is not a living being is illogical. If it's not dead, then it's alive. Therefore, when the child is aborted, there is a death. Every abortion ends in at least one person dying.
And yes, in the United States, since the Roe v. Wade trial, there have been over 50 million abortions. Therefore, 50 million deaths.
Abortion can cause the death of the mother as well, such as the death of Tonya Reeves. I do not support the death of anyone, neither the mother or the child. Abortion should be made available if the life of the mother is at stake, but only for that reason. You cannot argue that one life is more important than the other. Both are equal and deserve the same respect.
One who values life would not deal in such absolutes.
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Murder is killing a sentient being though. It is applied to killing a person, in any logical philosophy, even certain legal ones (precedents being made for family members who take their vegetative loved ones off life support without legal permission).
You pretend to be one the side of life, yet your very existence is massacring billions of non-sentient living entities by the minute, beings, if you like for whatever meaning the word carries. All of them with the same level of consciousness as foetae when most abortions happen.
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"The idea that a non-sentient being is not a living being is illogical. If it's not dead, then it's alive."
So, by that logic, rocks are living things- you know, with them not being dead and all. By the "logic" of your statement, if I were to smash a rock, it would be considered murder.
"Therefore, when the child is aborted, there is a death. Every abortion ends in at least one person dying."
If seeds are swallowed, there is deforestation. Every swallowed seed ends in the destruction of at least one tree.
"Abortion can cause the death of the mother as well, such as the death of Tonya Reeves."
No medical procedure is 100% safe. Though they're rare, non-aborational surgeries have also caused deaths. Does that mean we should stop doing those?
"Abortion should be made available if the life of the mother is at stake, but only for that reason."
No. Abortion should be made available for any reason there is.
"You cannot argue that one life is more important than the other."
I can, and I will; my life is more important than that of a tapeworm. Therefore, if I were to have one in my body, I have every right to remove it.
"One who values life would not deal in such absolutes."
What does that even mean?
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Sassycat2 left a wall of text in response to this comment, but since she took the cowardly way out and blocked me to avoid a response to it, she doesn't deserve to have her comment read by others, including me.
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Just want to throw out something, what if the baby was harming the woman? She should in my opinion have the right to abort the baby if it's a miscarriage. If it is hurting the woman (the baby) to the point she's dying, she should be able to abort. Here's an example: Example
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thats cool and i understand but this was three years ago....you're a little late, no offense
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Sadly, most Pro-lifers don't care. They only care about the fetus - "baby".
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I am pro life becuase abortion has lied to women by telling her "her body her choice"
For me (that I am a woman) is a nice way to say "You are not strong enough to raise a child and be successful"
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hopeafterabortion.com/
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I read somewhere a small child gave birth to a baby. The only reason she could keep it is because her parents did all the work. But she suffered more than she had to.
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Some woman just don't want children, and I don't want one either. Children =/= Success. I can still be successful without kids thank you.
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yes that is true, but if you are completely sure that you don't want kids, just castrate yourself (anti conceptive methods can fail) and live child free the rest of your life (and even if you repent later you just can adopt). My stament is that if a women gets pregnant, the say that they need to abort so they can continue with their lifes or studies is just not are a real reason:
1) Today there are many universities and schools that offers online degree programs so you can get your education during and after your pregnancy.
2) If you are 100% sure that you are not ready to be a parent, then adoption is a very sweet option. There are websites like this: www.adoptionnetwork.com/choose… or like this: www.lifelongadoptions.com/wait… were the birth mother can select the new adoptive family for their children. and the option of an open adoption or semi open adoption can help the birth mother too make sure that their kid is in good hands. You may help to complete a family, It may speak very good of you as a human beign.
3) Many women that have keep their kids at young age confessed that their kids have served as their "mottor that pushed them to achieved their dreams"
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Unless you're saving yourself for marriage or adulthood :/
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You can throw any bullshit prolife argument you want, but it won't detract from the fact that so many lives have been destroyed by the pro-life movement, as explained in this description which you probably haven't read.
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Lives destroyed? This killings are nothing compered to the ones that abortion takes away every year! and before you star with all the "fetus are not human beigns" bullshit, let me tell you that science has demonstrated the contrary:
www.bigbluewave.ca/2008/11/fet…
jonathangrahamblog.wordpress.c…
fallibleblogma.com/index.php/w…
silentholocaust.tumblr.com/fet…
You still didn't believe me, then here are the testimonies of some former workers from abortion clinics:
meehanreports.com/whytheyquit.…
www.attwn.org/abortion-worker/
liveaction.org/blog/exclusive-…
www.lifenews.com/2013/12/18/fo…
www.pregnantpause.org/abort/wo…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQj78d…
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Wow, using pro-life sources to back up a pro-life argument? Never seen that before 
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Yeah, no offense, But I would like to see some scientific evidence. And that means .govs, scientific journals, ect. You know. Credible sources.
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Is this comment directed to her or to me?
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It's directed at Adrianathekittylover. You're doing just fine.
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I've had the great pleasure of meeting some fabulous and TRUE "pro-lifers", ones who might disagree that it is okay to have the procedure done, but won't condemn the woman for going through with one either. Because hey, we are all entitled to our own opinions. But what I can't stand are the people who hate on "Pro-choicers" no matter the circumstances.
"Oh you were raped? Underage? He ran out on you? You can't afford the very same pregnancy you tried to prevent with contraceptives? The baby shouldn't have to suffer for any of that trivial stuff! Besides, I bet you were asking for it." The people who never see that there ARE some circumstances in which this is a totally acceptable procedure.
Too bad we can't force radical "pro-fetuses" (Those who want to abolish abortion procedures ENTIRELY) to carry "pro-choicers" unwanted babies; I bet they wouldn't be so "Pro-life" and hellbent to try and FORCE women to go through the physical, mental and emotional torture if it meant the same would to apply to THEM.
"I didn't ask for a baby!"
"I didn't ask for a baby either; I even took birth-control and was trying to be responsible enough to avoid any chance of pregnancy, but alas! I have other plans with my life than to raise an accidental or unwanted kid- and would prefer that I am not forced to endure this hindrance to my hopes, dreams and aspirations because some random-ass person said so and wants to control what happens to MY body and MY personal life. So as a "pro-lifer" it is your duty to take in this developing fetus I'm not fit to raise and carry it to full term. It's YOUR belief to do so, not mine."
"I don't have the financial stability to raise a baby!"
"Oh don't worry, you don't have to keep it. You can always do what you preach about to women who can't afford to raise their babies: just throw it into the orphanages you keep praising for it's wonderful and nurturing care systems- I'm sure they'll grow up confident, happy, successful and healthy."
"Fuck adoption! I don't want to be PREGNANT! Not only will I have to endure the painfully physical changes of my body and morning sickness I'll likely be suspended from my schooling or even fired because I'm a liability to the company now that I'm pregnant. You can't force me to carry a baby I don't want just because YOU want me to!"
"Oh? But it's totally fine for YOU to try and force ME to carry something I didn't want and endure every single real life altering issue? No. So here ya go! If you believe life is 'so precious' then you wouldn't mind being a surrogate despite all the woes that come with it for the rest of your radical pro-fetus life; becoming the broodmare you're trying to make every individual woman in this world into with your spiteful movements and force to abolish abortions entirely."
"That's not fair! I have a right to my own fucking body, it's my basic rights to say no! I can have a right to choose to do anything I want with my own body, and I choose not to carry this fucking baby!"
"Oh, and that little song you're singing doesn't sound at all like something you would have put down and mocked when it was a "Pro-choicer" on the other end of this stick? What you chose to be is a bullying "pro-fetus" lover, who demands every pregnant woman to carry through full term whether it is in their better interest or not. After all, YOU were the one who was willing to try and force ME to carry it when it's not even in my beliefs to do so- I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine, you gross hypocrite."
"Bu- but what about the "pro-lifers" that are men? I shouldn't be forced to give birth when it could hurt me, and neither should the men who believe this!"
"Just like you shouldn't have any influence in whether or not a PERSON (genitals aside) wants to avoid hurting themselves by opting out of a dramatic and damaging transformation and force them to endure it otherwise because YOU want them to. News-flash! It really DOES take two to tango; and yet the supposed "man" of the relationship is never ridiculed nearly as much for the unwanted pregnancy as the woman is, which she is now also expected to endure despite HER wishes and beliefs. So suck it up and have fun pooping that watermelon sized child out of your self-righteous ass and just be thankful you don't get menstruations too; you sexist, dirty fuck."
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