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Thank you!! 
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And here, we see the typical feminist try to respond to something she found mentally challenging. Unable to accept that the "Rape culture" where a man that stares at a woman's chest is rape, a man that spreads his legs on a train is rape, a man that interrupts a woman is rape, a man that bumps into a woman on the street is rape and manslamming, a man that calmly and politely explains why an idiot is wrong is mansplaining and rape"... is pretty dumb when you look at it rationally. But of course, rational thought is hard for those brought up to believe dogma. I hope you get well soon, and bear you no ill will.
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And here, we see a typical MRA try to paint his ideology as "rational" and "mentally challenging" by refuting claims that were never made by his opponent.
But of course, rational thought is hard for pseudo-intellectuals who can't debate without completely making up claims to make them easier to attack.
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If feminists argued that female rapists and male victims were part of 'rape culture' I might agree with them on that particular point! But they only ever talk about female victims and male perpetrators, which is a type of rape that society most certainly does NOT condone or accept! This is rape culture as feminists define it, and this is what MRAs are arguing against.
Most feminists don't think that female rapists exist. In fact, UK law makes it impossible for a woman to be a rapist.
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In my experience, I haven't met an MRA who mentioned male victims or female rapists except to detract from discussions about rape towards women or to somehow blame feminism for male victims. I also haven't met a single feminist that claimed female rapists don't exist.
Give me a source for your claim about UK rape law, otherwise I'll have to be skeptical about it.
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"A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents."
The law specifically says "penis" and since only men have penises, only men can rape according to UK law.
As for the point about MRAs only mentioning it to support their cause; isn't that what all advocates of a cause do? Every cause has its talking points, and the fact that people use the talking points to support their cause doesn't in and of itself make the points raised illegitimate.
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I will have to see a direct source rather than a reference to that source. That way, I'll ensure that there are no misquotes.
I didn't criticize MRAs for mentioning male rape to support their cause. I criticized them for mentioning it to DETRACT from discussions about rape towards women and to use it as an excuse to bash feminism. But when they can't find a way to blame feminism for something like prison rape, they don't say a word about it.
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www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2…
I hope that this is to your satisfaction.
MRAs are naturally going to bring up male rape victims during discussions about rape though! I can't understand why you appear to think that we need to separate the discussions into 'male and female.' Is not rape just rape?
If prison rape is counted, men actually make up more victims than women. I don't think anyone could blame feminism for causing this situation, but there's no doubt in my mind that it is ignored far too much by both sides of the argument.
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Thanks for supplying a link. But I found a more detailed document of the 2003 Sexual offenses Act that mentions both male and female rapists here: www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/ra…
Again: it is not appropriate to **DETRACT** from discussions about female victims by bringing up male victims. (Bringing them up during discussions about rape is different.) It is not a coincidence that the majority of rapists are male. Most male victims are raped by other men, but MRAs have not shown to recognize this.
Yes, men get raped more often than women when prison rape is taken into account (as it should be). I have not found a single MRA page that mentions prison rape. But I've found two feminist articles about prison rape, which is more than what could be said of MRAs:
everydayfeminism.com/2015/04/s…
veganfeministnetwork.com/tag/p…
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"Male victims are raped by other men." We know this. What I can't understand is how this changes the discussion in any way.
Since you argued that MRAs don't talk about prison rape:
www.avoiceformen.com/mens-righ…
www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/…
www.avoiceformen.com/mens-righ…
And a few more, talk about the issue. So yes, they do talk about it.
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You misquoted me. I said that the most male victims are raped by other men. The imbalance of male and female rapists doesn't happen just because.
The first article has almost nothing to do with prison rape. Otherwise, it's just another bullshit article throwing contrived statistics about the "scarcity" of rape with no legal documents to back it up. (AVFM is a misogynist site full of unsupported lies.)
The second article does discuss prison rape, and somehow the writer blames feminism for it.
The third article also has nothing to do with prison rape, except for a brief mention of prison rape jokes as an "example" of people mentioning rape. That doesn't count as a real discussion about prison rape. The writer for this article is also not a real doctor. (I also looked at the comment section and found a thread of MRAs attacking a rape victim. Unsurprising.)
I suppose you've proved that MRAs mention prison rape sometimes. But you haven't proved that it's an honest movement.
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Eh. I'm neutral on rape culture because I'm mainly concerned that it takes the blame away from the perp and puts it elsewhere. That said, MRA's are sacks of shit and I've never met a decent one.
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Then step outside your comfort zone and look for one, they literally have forums and groups. Jesus christ.
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Is the argument here that rape culture is what causes male victims and female perpetrators to not be taken seriously, or that male victims and female perpetrators not being taken seriously is rape culture and therefore the claim made in the picture is inherently contradictory? The former interpretation I'd rather not get in an argument over, but the latter is simple to explain: A situation where feminists call female victimization and MRAs call male victimization "rape culture" would be really, really confusing.
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I really don't get why the guy below me uses kool-aid as an insult. What's wrong with kool-aid? Anyway speaking of the idiot below me I had a run in with him and this is how it went:
V: Women just want to be treated as Human beings.
OS: You Misandrist cunts just want special treatment!
How he equates Women wanting to be treated as human beings and not his personal sex toy to Women wanting special treatment is baffling shows how ignorantly stupid Bastards like him really are. Proof that in the U.S. Rape Culture is a thing:
Another 1 was:
>Has a big problem with female rapists
>Makes excuses 4 male rapists.
I laughed hard when his ignorant dumbass through a fit over me blocking him. XD
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"I really don't get why the guy below me uses kool-aid as an insult." Drinking the Kool-Aid is a saying that means believing in a bullshit narrative, buying into outright lies. It refers to the Jonestown mass suicide where several hundred members of a cult drank poisoned Kool-Aid.
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Because of some lonely shitty white guy who killed a bunch of people? Yea, that's not a valid reason to use it as an insult; gotta insult those victims somehow though.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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Using something that terrible to insult others is like praising the guy who committed the crime. Think deeply on it.
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"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a very common idiom and such an established part of the vernacular that its origin is rarely considered. It stands on its own and does not really imply anything about how the person feels about the Jonestown events.
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Yeeeeess. It isssssss. You morrrrrrrrron.
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Contradictions are a strange concept to you I see.
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People say "mad as a hatter" without considering or necessarily even knowing it comes from the mercury poisoning that 18th and 19th century hat-makers often suffered from. Some idioms have grim origins, but using those idioms is not an indivation of their users' opinions.
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Now there's something I didn't know, won't be using that phrase anymore to sling around as an insult.
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My point is exactly the opposite: Idioms like these do not have to be avoided in the context of insults. People do not associate them with real people or events; they may have roots in literal interpretations, but are now nothing but strings of words that mean something completely different than the literal interpretation.
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Still not going to fling them around as insults so go away.
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Please explain rape culture, because it seems like you've been drinking kool-aid for a pretty long time. And always when I ask for explaining what so-called patriarchy or rape culture is, feminazis are left speechless.
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If you need me to explain what rape culture is, then you can't say I'm "drinking kool-aid" when I say it exists. It doesn't make sense to dismiss something if you don't understand it.
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If you can't explain something then you yourself don't understand it fully.
I'm waiting for explanation, I hear it alot from feminists "muh rape culture"
but in reality they just repeat it to blame everything on men.
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I can easily explain rape culture, and if you look at the comment section, you can see that I already have, on more than one occasion.
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Why? Do you not know how to scroll through the comments? Why are you even asking me to define it for you when you can Google it and find plenty of sources on the first page?
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I think why people object to phase "rape culture" because it also entails rape as described as vaginal penetration in legislation. Kind of like how the Violence against Women Act depicts domestic violence as only men battering women, or recognizes that as the punishable act but not the other way around. Double standards in protection and law. Then there's the whole campaign not to teach men not to rape or batter women, rather than teach people not to rape or batter. If you look at many definitions of rape culture it's patronizing women as always the victim. But I appreciate you acknowledging men get raped too.
So yes you want to bring about awareness of rape, but at the same time not to discriminate against people when that phrase is coined. I understand you might have omit those things, considering there's limited space on a meme.
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No, that's not why the MRAs in question objected to the phrase "rape culture". I've never seen them say anything about "double standards" when they deny rape culture. Countless times, I've seen them deny rape culture by doing such things as bringing up false statistics of sexual assault to make it seem like a less frequent crime than it is, and let's not forget lying about the statistics of "false imprisonment" to make it seem like a more frequent crime than it is.
I've NEVER seen definitions of rape culture "patronizing women as always the victim". I've even seen feminist websources discuss how rape culture affects men and how it can be stopped, which is more than what I've seen MRAs do about male rape victims.
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I know you are really upset with MRA and MRA are upset with Feminist. You want to turn into a She said, He said. Both claiming one's not representing rape fairly or with prejudice. MRA are evil for denying and trivialize rape cases? But "NEVER" Feminist. Let's focus here a bit.
You want to have women and men to beable to have rape awareness and representation? To be upfront about it without prejudice. You don't want women to be patronizing as being the only victim? Because rape can happen to anybody, they shouldn't deny it or victim blame. That's why you endorse rape culture and it's awareness? Sound fair? I'll take that advice.
But then you hypocritically deny and trivialize rape case I posted because it was a boy. That's discrimination. You then personally attacked me, calling me disgusting and pathetic. But no objection when I mention examples how women are oppressed in other post. Those are welcomed. You say that Feminist "NEVER" do such things like MRA to deny and trivialize rape cases, but you just did. This perpetuates women as being perceived as only the rape victim. You acted out the discrimination in your memes without realizing it. It doesn't have to be that way : (
comments.deviantart.com/1/4105…
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comments.deviantart.com/1/3906…
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"I know you are really upset with MRA and MRA are upset with Feminist. You want to turn into a She said, He said. Both claiming one's not representing rape fairly or with prejudice. MRA are evil for denying and trivialize rape cases? But "NEVER" Feminist. Let's focus here a bit."
Nice tu quoque.
It's totally unnecessary to link to my userpage, and post the same comment thread three times. I thought it would be appropriate to share my response to your linked comment in this thread (since it's about the same as my response to your last comment here). So I hid it. Thought I should mention this so that you don't cry "CENSORSHIP!" Anyway, this is what your comment said:
"I merely took your advice to bring awareness of rape culture, directly from your meme and responses. Because you said it was important. But instead you personally attack me and deny and trivialize it. I can support fighting the oppression for women, that's welcome. But when I mention men's issue, in comes the hate...the irony you encourage people to bring awareness. Some people are more equal than others I guess...I think you are starting to victim blame."
And here's the last response you'll see from me:
You did not bring up the post about the boy because you wanted to speak out about rape culture, as you claim. If you actually did, you would have posted that link in my rape culture posts (and perhaps even in the countless MRA posts denying rape culture on DA), not in a graphic about forced pregnancy. Don't bullshit me. You purposely detracted from the point of a graphic with that link. Calling you out for doing that is not trivialization nor is it discrimination or "victim blaming". By using that event as a tool to detract from the point of the graphic, YOU are the one trivializing it, not me.
Goodbye.
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Rape culture - Rape culture is a concept which links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society, and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.
This image is pure bullshit and you clearly have no bloody idea what you are talking about, you can't even use the term rape culture correctly. A idiot among idiots.
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I know exactly what I'm talking about, and I can use the term perfectly fine. You are trying to correct me on the usage by giving the exact definition as indicated on the graphic, thus providing absolutely nothing new. So, actually, it's you who is an* idiot, not me.
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The way you used it is very different from the way you said you used it you moron. You say pointing out that men are raped should mean accepting rape culture when accepting rape culture should mean you believe you live in a society which normalized and condones rape. Saying rape happens is very different from believing in something that does not exist.
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Read this very carefully, dumbass:
My graphic says very clearly that society is NOT TAKING RAPE TOWARDS MEN SERIOUSLY, which does indicate society's harmful attitude towards male victims and not just on whether rape happens to men. Not taking something seriously is NOT the same thing as not believing something exists.
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Please stop feeding the trolls, Punctual3. It only makes them stronger. I know it is difficult, I've read Conservatoon's trash, but you can't respond to their bullshit.
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Kk. Trouble is, I've received many butthurt comments similar to this user's, so I had trouble knowing if he was a troll or not.
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