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punctual3 — Can you call them Pro Life now?
Published: 2013-06-13 15:32:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 7650; Favourites: 181; Downloads: 0
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First of all, 99% of the time, no babies are killed during abortion. Most abortions are carried out when the fetus is just a non-sentient fetus. The few times when they happen during late-term pregnancies is to preserve the mother's life, or when the baby won't survive childbirth.There are, however, loads of instances in which anti-abortionists have directly and indirectly killed actual people. There was that tragedy with Savita Halappanavar, who was refused abortion, and died as a result of a miscarriage: [link] .
There have also been many accounts of anti-abortionists first-degree murdering/injuring doctors and bombing clinics/hospitals (just naming some examples):
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In addition, any attempt to illegalize abortions will just result in making abortions unsafe. Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 women a year. On top of that, an average of 300,000 women die from childbirth each year.
No one who values life would support any of this.
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That's HILARIOUSLY wrong... Abortion kills around 50 MILLION children a YEAR... It's impossible those actions could amount to that much.... Plus, as a pro-life person... I don't think those people represent us at all. They're murderers, not pro-lifers.
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They are not murderers. You have to be born to be able to be murdered.
The 'rights' of the unborn should NEVER interfere with the rights of a living breathing human being.
A zygote is NOT a child.
An embryo is NOT a child.
A foetus is NOT a child.
A baby IS a child.
A baby IS a person.
Please, stop treating the unborn as if they are born. Stop dehumanizing living women and humanizing something that's not even a full person yet!
Ireland has anti-abortion laws that severely impact the rights of pregnant women seeking abortions.
It is ridiculous that the rights of living breathing people are being pushed aside for the sake of the unborn.
Unborn foetuses are not people. People are born.
In Ireland, even though in black and white both have 'equal rights', in reality, the law and doctors favour foetuses over living people.
Women are treated as if their rights and even needs don't exist when they are pregnant, and they are forced against their will do endure pregnancy instead of having safe legal access to abortion.
And many pro lifers (but luckily not all) want the foetus to be kept and born don't give a damn about it once they're born. They don't care that forced pregnancy is torture. They don't care what happens to the child.
And if you are really 'pro-life', I would recommend that you read these journals carefully:
Ireland, We Really Need To Have This Talk...Let me begin by asking you two simple questions:
I'll let you ponder that for a few seconds...
I have the right to free speech, and in this journal I intend to exercise it. I am being incredibly careful in my wording so as not to break any laws, but I shouldn't have to worry about freedom of speech and my right to speak freely on topics. This concern in itself is a sign that something is terribly wrong in the country of Ireland.
* * *
Today, I'm going to try tackling two very sensitive issues. I understand that writing about this may result in a heated debate, serious backlash of comments, and watchers unwatching, but I don't mind that. This is a discussion that is too often avoided that we really should talk about
Some Pro-lifers Really Need to Understand This...Ireland has had anti-abortion laws for around 30 years now. It has proven time and time again that anti-abortion laws do not even prevent abortion, and they make it very dangerous for a poor woman to be pregnant, especially if she develops a lethal abnormality.
This is what anti-abortion laws mean in Ireland.
Sick women are legally unable to receive the help that they need until they are at literally about to die.Women who have illnesses like cancer, heart disease or organ damage are unable to get help at all during pregnancy.
25000 women have travelled abroad to the UK in just the last 5 years, desperately seeking much needed terminations. And these are just the lucky ones who can afford it. In some cases, doctors are unable to access information on certain birth pr
If you're still pro 'life' watch this documentary. Really watch it. All 55 minutes of it. See what happens, and what situation you are contributing to by promoting such nonsense:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dSICo… - Abortion, Ireland's Guilty Secret (BBC Documentary)
If you are still pro-'life' and remain unshaken in your beliefs, congratulations... you are incredibly selfish. You are encouraging needless trauma, torture, suffering and deaths. You value tiny growths of cells more than human lives.
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Sorry but it's a baby no matter how far along the woman is.
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Sorry to be blunt, but that's utter bullsh*t.
The whole point of abortion is to stop the pregnancy from developing into a person in the first place.
If it's a baby, then it's too late at that point. But it's a zygote, embryo and a foetus before it's finally a baby. Any basic biology book would tell you that.
Post 13 weeks is a very grey area for abortion, but ultimately, it's morally wrong to deny abortion to a woman before the foetus' brain has developed.
Up until 13 weeks, abortion is morally irrelevant and it's not remotely bad at all.
People have the basic human right to bodily autonomy. Let them exercise it, for f*sh sake...
A zygote or an embryo, or early foetus is not a person. Once it can start to think, it is able to be considered a person. The brain forms at 13 weeks. Therefore, the absolute earliest it can logically be considered a person is at 13 weeks.
If you want to argue that it's a "baby" at all stages due to it's technical humanity, then so are cancerous tumours. By that very attitude you are defending any and all cells with human DNA. So should we fight for the 'rights' of cancer cells too?
Being technically human doesn't cut it. What matters is personhood, awareness, sentience. That's what truly defines our humanity. Not merely the technicality of being human.
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Hell, TheArtFrog, may the Grace of Jesus Christ reach us all!
I disagree with you. An I would like to offer links about the subject of abortion.
Bible Verses About Abortion
Doctor Who Did 1,200 Abortions Tells Congress to Ban Them - 5/23/13
"I had 4 abortions, don't make my mistake"
The Abortion Doctor
A Skeptical View of Abortion | Peter J. Kreeft, PhD
Fetus are babies. Babies are people. People have rights. Fetus have rights. I can not talk about improvised abortions being healthy. I stand against abortions improvised or not.
May Jesus Christ shine in all our lives!
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It's her body that's being affected though.
Abortion is the safest current method of stopping pregnancy once it's begun.
In the future medical science might have some breakthroughs and it might finally become safer to remove the foetus alive, but at current, it's more dangerous.
Abortion is 10 times safer than childbirth.
But abortion or not, the woman has the right to remove it, alive or dead.
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Dear TheArtFrog, may the Grace of Jesus Christ find us all! <3
I start my reply by asking forgiveness, I wrote "Hell, (...)" in my previous message when I meant "Hello". I am sorry.
I am very thankful for your polite answer, but I continue disagreeing with you. My reasons being the points defended in the links I sent earlier (in the previous post), the position of the catholic Church in the matter (the Catholic Church strongly opposes abortion and other forms of Death) and the well being of the women.
My points (that are defended in the links too) are: there are no cases in which an abortion will save the "mother's" life. It is safe to have babies today considering today's development of Medical Research, Medical Techniques, Medical Knowledge. There is knowledge to help the mother and the child live a happy, healthy life.
Abortion is not moral, it is actually against morality. It is viewed as sinful by God and as a disgusting act by people (including non-religious people).
It is safe to birth today. There are techniques, there is knowledge, there are researches aout the Health of the Mother and the Health of the Child.
Women who go through abortion have higher chances of developing Depression and to commit Suicide. Abortion is NOT HEALTHY! "Abortion can be a very traumatic event and have lasting negative effects. A new study (2.012) released by scientists in China proves this to be the case. (...) a study that recently found a strong correlation between abortion and depression. Researchers from Anhui Medical College in China used a sample of 6,887 women oh which 3,264 had an abortion. It was found that women were 49% more likely to experience depression and 114% more likely to experience anxiety in the first trimester of a pregnancy when compared to the women who had not experienced abortion."
Source:www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/n…
Women who go through abortion (even legalized abortion) may have scars inside of them, inside of their uterus and these women may not be able to become pregnant in the future because of those scars. Some of them speak, give interviews and talk about how hard it was to discover that, since she had an abortion previously, her uterus was "damaged" and she was not able to conceive anymore. Abortion is NOT HEALTHY!
The number one slogan for abortion is Pro-Choice and the ironic thing about that slogan is that when you ask women who have had abortions:
- "Why did you have that abortion?"
The number on response is:
- "I felt that I had no choice." A majority, maybe numbers close to eighty percent of abortions in America (U.S.A.) happened with some form of coercion. In other words: not the woman's choice..
The abortion is not about choice, it is about despair. It is not about people who are getting abortions, because of freedom of choice. It is about people getting abortions because they feel they have no freedom and no choice.
Source:www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZCOa…
Abortion is NOT HEALTHY!
The Catholic Church judges cooperation for abortion as a grave crime and punishes with excommunication those people who commit this crime. Infanticide, fratricide, parricide, and the murder of a spouse are especially grave crimes by reason of the natural bonds which they break. Concern for eugenics or public health cannot justify any murder, even if commanded by public authority.
Read Jeremiah 1:5 : 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you came to birth I consecrated you; I appointed you as prophet to the nations.'. This shows us that, even BEFORE BIRTH, the person is already human. "Before I formed you in the womb" shows us that, even in THE VERY START OF DEVELOPMENT of the HUMAN EMBRYO, the person IS A PERSON, the human embryo is a person and God opposes murder, killing of people by people.
Thank you very much for your comment!
May the Light of Jesus Christ Illuminate our lives and minds!
God bless you! <3
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Religion is no justification to force non-believers to carry out any actions based on that religion.
You are entitled to your religious beliefs, but you are by no means entitled to tell people what they can and can't do just because of your own faith.
And if you read the very same book, in Numbers, God performs an abortion ritual, forcing a woman to have a miscarriage... yeah God is so pro-life...
" there are no cases in which an abortion will save the "mother's" life. " -- No, offence, but that's complete and utter rubbish. I had two friends who got very close to death due to Ireland's anti-abortion laws. One of them went to the UK and could only get an abortion just hours away from death. If she had left the ectopic foetus inside her any longer, she would have died.
I don't think I can take your arguments seriously if your going to use religion to justify your argument. And I definitely can't take them seriously if you're going to tell me straight up falsehoods and present them as truth.
I think it's best to agree to disagree and end this here.
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Children? Do you mean fetuses? We're talking about unsafe abortions and how they can kill women. Fetuses are not living sentients.
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"I'm not wrong you are, my evidence is shit i pulled out of my ass"
Our population is still on the rise, even if 50 million foetuses a year are being aborted. I'll put you on the list to take care of those 50 million, OK?
Or, how about I put you on the slumming list? You can spend your entire life with those wonderful 50 million foetuses in the same house!!! 
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Although I can see where you're trying to go with this comment, it must first have credible grounds to ever be taken seriously.
50 million a year is a ridiculous exaggeration, like on the sense that it's hilarious you think that's true. Rest at ease the actual percentage is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, especially with the easier availability to birth control in the last few years.
Abortion doesn't kill children at all. Abortion terminates fertilized eggs, zygotes and fetuses. Calling either of those "children" is like referring an adult to a child, or a senior citizen to a teen. It's entirely untrue and proves that you're run simply by your emotions and not by logic.
And on a last note,I agree, those murdering creatures are not pro-life at all. They're monsters. I don't care what they call themselves. A serial rapist could claim to be a holy man- this does not make his claims nor self entitlement true.
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According to the CDC the most recent numbers for annual abortion rates in the US (2011) totaled roughly 700,000.
Unless you can provide an actual, credible source that says there were 49.3 million abortions in the REST of the world, try again. It's really easy to pull numbers out of your bum.
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You Pro Lifers are fucking twats.
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Thanks for the compliment! *Sarcasm*
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HOLY SHIT!
Have not been here in YEARS!
Good to see ya'll still love me!
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XD You're welcome dear stranger
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Im Pro Choice,
How about you?
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I respect your opinion.
Don't slap me for this.
I'm pro life, but I always respect opinions.
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And how do you respect opinions you do not agree with?
You can respect the person`s right to have an opinion, you can respect them by not judging them negatively for it, and you can even respect the complexity of thinking that brought them to such a conclusion, but you cannot respect an opinion if you consider it flawed.
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I suppose I support either the opinion or the person's right. But it doesn't matter to me. I just respect.
Btw, I'm Pro-choice.
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So you do not respect the opinion of someone who is completely pro-life.
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I respect opinions no matter what.
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Not if you disagree with them. Respect equals treating them with the esteem you would treat anyone, or better. Here, you consider the opinion to be wrong, and that right there is a lack of respect.
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How am I doing that?
Other then that, please respect my opinion. I hate when people don't respect my opinion
Disagreeing =/= "BAWWWWW I H8 U!!!!1!!!!"
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Disagreeing = disrespecting the OPINION. Not the person giving it.
Insulting someone FOR their opinion equals disrespecting them. I feel this is what you would rather I avoid, but your opinion is wrong, so I cannot respect it and remain intellectually honest.
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If my opinion is wrong, then I don't want to be right!
Insulting people for their opinion can equal disrespecting them. There are two levels.
One being "I'd have to disagree on that, but I respect your opinion"
Other being "BAWWWWWW!!!1!!!! Y U NO HAVE OPINION LEIK MEIN!!!!!!1!!!!1"
And somewhere between is where you are at right now.
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... Why not?
Insulting people for their opinion is quite definitely disrespecting them. Disagreeing with their opinion is clearly saying "mine is better than your`s". How is that respecting the opinion in question?
I haven`t insulted you yet. But continue with such beauties for opening sentences and things I won`t be able to hold back.
Too many bad opinions equals a personality trait.
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