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Hokay: here's another old Soc.History.What-if inspired map, from an old James Nicoll (of English language quote fame) scenario. Better Anglo-German and worse Anglo-French relations post 1870 lead to a *Fashoda war with Germany and Britain on the same side: the longer term results are a British-German-Japanese-Austrian alliance fighting a WWII* in which the US, France and Russia are on the other side: thanks to the US duplicating the German atom bomb before the Europeans were able to ramp up to mass production and delivery, the US managed to pull off a partial win, but France and Russia went down hard. The German effort to install a puppet regime in Russia did not go well, and eventually the Russian Workers and Peasants Socialist Union (by 1995 "ramped down" to the Social Republic) was recognized by the US. The next few decades saw the US backing independence and anti-Colonial movements all over.By 1995, the colonialist Alliance For Order and Progress is on the rocks. The British have lost India, and the Japanese have pulled out of China, although they are still working hard to keep the place divided. The Germans have let most of their colonial empire achieve at least mostly self-government, and the new socialist-dominated German parliament has made it clear they are not at all interested in spending taxpayer Marks on propping up British "feudal" arrangements in Africa and elsewhere. (Now Very Federal Austria, Germany's Boy Sidekick, in this case is happy to follow the German lead). Only Japan is determined to hold onto its remaining posessions, and even in Genteel-Fascist Britain there is some doubt as to the sustainability of most of the Empire.
Minor details: German Tanganyka is a German "Rhodesia", which has switched its loyalties from Berlin to London after the socialists expressed a certain hostility to the local methods of White Man's Burdening. Central Asia is rather more secular and russified than OTL. The US is rather "leftier" than OTL given it's self-identification as an anti-colonial power, and has a larger African, Asian, etc. immigrant minority. Manchurian indepdence movements are currently divided between "join China" and "strike out on out own, China is a mess for the forseeable future" factions.
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CyberPhoenix001 [2013-09-25 23:10:34 +0000 UTC]
I recently had an idea for a scenario a bit like this, although I didn't realise the similarities at the time:
Due an economic downturn and a different President in the US at the time WWI breaks out (under different circumstances), the resultant economic instability is enough for the US to cease loans to European nations during the period of war, as well as butt heads with the British over their blockade of Germany, leading to an official declaration of neutrality by the US.
The Germans manage a lucky streak and knock France and Russia out by late 1916, with Britain left haemorrhaging funds, resources and allies, they throw in the towel and concede German hegemony over continental Europe (although they refuse to hand back any of the colonies they captured, and the Germans are in no good position to do anything about it).
France is squeezed dry of their colonies and funds for reparations, and Russia enters a slower and more protracted revolution, with neither side managing to gain the upper hand. As a result, France enters a state of revanchist unrest, but is less able to act on it than OTL Germany was, while Russia, lacking the strong central leadership of Czarism or the Bolsheviks, is rendered even more incapable of modernising than OTL.
The Anglo-Japanese alliance is forcibly dissolved, with the Japanese looking for a new ally, and they find it in the US, with both nations having a renewed interest in countering British and German influence in the Pacific. Japan still goes through its phase of "Asia for Asians", but never goes through its phase of batsh*t crazy militarism.
British politics take a rightward swing following their loss in the War, and move to centralise their Empire, with Germany doing the same. With neither side keen on war again, both fall into a state of mutual "we do not piss in each other's pools" attitude.
The world largely settles into a bi-polar state with the colonial British and German Empires determined to preserve the role of aristocracy and keep the little people in their place, while the anticolonial US-Japan Alliance fights them every step of the way.
Is any of this too implausible?
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QuantumBranching In reply to Celestialhost [2011-07-11 01:32:35 +0000 UTC]
Mostly US-allied or neutral, although with a couple bits under European thumbs: probably there's some trouble being stirred up there by the US and its agents.
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OttoVonSuds [2010-12-18 18:01:05 +0000 UTC]
This world seems like it's heading for an explosion of some sort in the '00s and '10s. I'm guessing the collapse of the British empire, the coming anglo-german split and implied increasing unrest in the middle east taking alot of oil supplies off the table will make for a "cheerful" decade.
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