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Description I got a minor gift out the way so I can finally start on the last of the original monsters in the series; the infamous Bagan. I remember reading a crazy cross over fanfiction of this bastard once. It was a Godzilla/Doomed Megalopolis story were Kato ressurects our three horned friend out of his icy tomb so he can destroy the world and Tokyo in the process. All the most famous Toho daikaiju make appearances and there is human drama and kaiju battles of a deeply ruthless nature throughout the story. It is a very, very dark fic. Dark but well done. A shit load of monsters die and cameos from all sorts of sources pop up when you least expect them to but in a good way. Anyway, that was my first real impression of Bagan and it has stuck. Bagan, the ruthless imbodiment of destruction and death, no single kaiju his equal save for one; and he didn't even appear in the fic. Bagan killed a shit load of kaiju in that story and I really felt for Mothra...it was hardcore how that fight went down.

I get the feeling that alot of people see Bagan as the Gary Stue of the Godzilla world. Only existing to be an incredible bastard that beats the living hell out of everything and by some miracle be defeated in the end. I'm personally fine with that, its a rare thing in monster movies for the villain to truly be this unstoppable force for any length of time that would actually make us fear for the other characters lives. When I read that fic I could FEEL the hopelessness and dispair going on. The only other kaiju I've gotten that feeling from was the original Gojira and Mechagodzilla. Everyone else was like...yeah, thats nice, Godzilla is gonna nuke your ass anytime now...

Anyway the design of Bagan has never changed all that much over the years. There are basically two versions of him: the natural brown hell beast and the white reaper of Mankind. Both have their pros and cons but generally I like the Super Godzilla version or Game Bagan as I'm going to refer to him. Theres just generally more to work with and he's the only Bagan to actually get into some published work. Without any further ado...

Game Bagan:
The final boss of the game Super Godzilla, Bagan is the alien's last line of defense...and holy shit what a defense. Standing several stories over Godzilla and so ripped with muscle it is practically tearing out of his skin, Bagan is an ancient dragon beast taken from China in the distant past, inserted with King Ghidorah AND Godzilla cells and set to take down Godzilla once and for all, as well as the unfortuante world at large. There is really no way to beat this behemoth as normal Godzilla. Bagan is so tough, has so much life force and is so damn powerful that an a-typical Goji just can't last past the first five minutes. He certianly looks like a mad blend of genetics. He's got three distinctive horns, two sweeping ox horns on the sides and one large nasal horn shooting right off his face. He's got spikes shooting off his cheeks, down his back and these strange shoulder spike/wings that seem to just erupt from his shoulders like twin standards of doom. He's got a chest plate so you know this guy is gonna be hell (Mechagodzilla reference) and he is just fucking ripped everywhere. Seriously, Bagan has been taking some major steroids because he's just bulging with muscle in every conceivable place. Ontop of that he has armor plating ontop of said muscles so you are looking at a three horned, extremely buff, armor plated draconian juggernaut of death that is well over 100 stories high. The game graphics are hard to get a hold of so I based my interpretation from memory and the poster art Matt Frank did for Tohokingdom's little history project. It's not a full body shot but that profile shot is gold. He certianly is an imposing bastard thats for sure. One minor quirk I think is there is the lion like tail plume from a concept pic I found. Said concept had black armor but I generally hold it to be the same creature design wise. Overall Game Bagan is a solid contender and with some stylistic fine tuning he really does strike that final villan cord.

Suit Bagan:
Funny bit of trivia regarding Bagan, poor bastard has never gotten to even star in a movie. Time after time he gets dragged to the drawing board as a possible idea for a brand new adversary for either Godzilla or Mothra. Each and every time he gets shot down because either they aren't willing to risk money on something new and unexpected, or something better came up. Always a bridesmaid but never a bride...thats the story of Bagan's career in a nutshell. There is a suit though, and its a degree different than the Game Bagan that actually met the public. This unsung kaiju goes by the name of Suit Bagan and thats just what he is; a Bagan that fits the human form. This guy suffers from what all Heisei era monsters suffer and thats the thunder thighs of doom and tiny arms. Other than that Suit Bagan is pretty neat. His horns are solid black and smooth. His armor is a bone white that carries a bone motif to the legs. His shoulder spikes are a little different with the purple fleshy knobs hanging from them. His chest is more compact so that leaves room for those huge child bearing hips. There is an obvious armored plate hanging over his groin similar to rodans chest region in design. His tail is thick and powerful, much like Godzilla's and I don't know whats on the end of it but I'm guessing spikes this time, or the plume from before. His face has a lot of teeth, most of them rather thin and needle like and his eyes are set back and sunken. He's still pretty muscled but not ridiculessly so and its a brighter red so your definitely going to notice the contrast between the flesh and the armored plating. This was probably the one that would have fought Mothra but again, it was cancled.

Scatha Bagan:
There is not a lot of art of Bagan, as he's not very popular for various reasons outside of his long list of missed oppurtunities and canceled scripts. A couple artists here on DA have paid tribute to the draconian kaiju though and so I got one more version to share. Scatha Bagan, created by Scatha the Worm. The interesting thing about this Bagan is that it attempts to blend many concepts together with the Suit Bagan. It has a very draconian face that actually has a nose, no sense in not being able to breath right? The side horns are turned to the side instead looping forword like the previous incarnations. The horn shoots straight up more than it juts out so it grows more like a traditional horn might. It has a modest amount of teeth and prounced upper canines. The cheek spikes are fewer but more solid formations that seem to be apart of the skull itself. The armor is circular around the neck and bone motif of the armor is even further ingrained with it being on the arms, waist and legs. The shoulder spikes face outward like Suit Bagan but are sharper, higher, and purple flesh is replaced by orbs. The arms are longer and the tail has a set of razor spines on the end instead of the lions plume. The chest is a real treat as it takes the groin plate's same approach so there seems to be a matching set now.

Between the three I'm not really sure which one's are the most effective. Game Bagan is full of power and beastly fortitude while Suit Bagan offers a Grim Reaper like aspect to the design though I could really do without the fat thighs and the tiny arms. Scatha Bagan corrected most of Suit Bagan's problems but depending on the coloring it may be just as alien as Suit Bagan. Generally I favor Game Bagan and Scatha Bagan in terms of material. I really need some fan input on this one so if you got suggestions for a Hybrid ( which will later become the final SD ) please let me know. Brown or white? Plume or Spikes? Flesh or Muscle? You decide.

-RenDragonClaw
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RenDragonClaw In reply to ??? [2008-09-12 22:46:41 +0000 UTC]

Certianly looks that way. Suit Bagan is trying to hard and Scatha's Bagan is a bit too draconic so Game Bagan it is.

-RenDragonClaw

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JacobSpencerKaiju79 In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-12 23:43:05 +0000 UTC]

Cool

Out of curiousity, why didn't you include the very first Bagan (the Ape God, Dragon God, Fish God thingie) that was going to be used in the original Return of Godzilla script?

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RenDragonClaw In reply to JacobSpencerKaiju79 [2008-09-13 00:24:46 +0000 UTC]

No artistic references for said Bagan aside from that nutty pic on Godzilla wiki. I was not going there, even though I can appreciate chimera's but I don't think anyone else would have recognized him (its a far cry from any other versions).

I think the Gryphon would be a better canidate for such a mish-mash of a look. The other thing is that if Bagan took up the multi shape shifting thing like he was originally intended then there would no place for Kaiju Satan ! The multiple forms would also have taken up a lot of room and probably deserve a study all to themselves. Its definitely something to work with but not when I need to focus on the final forms and such.

-RenDragonClaw

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JacobSpencerKaiju79 In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-13 01:46:29 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I understand.

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GREGOLE In reply to ??? [2008-09-12 16:19:29 +0000 UTC]

The writer of said fanfiction is someone I despise with every fiber of my being, up to the point where I based a certain villain on him.

But that's beside the point. I just wanted to even out the love to hate ratio.

Personally, I like game-Bagan best. Call me crazy, but bone armor, zombie-like bits, reaper-vibes and undead auras all spell out one thing for me: Cliche.
There was a time when such things were scary. There was also a time when dinosaurs roamed my backyard.

Game Bagan is a monster. He's a monster among monsters. He doesn't give in to any of that pseudo-undead tripe and focuses on presence. He's HUGE, he's got more muscle than Arnold Schwartzzinager on steroids, he's terrifying to behold, even while the audience is in control of Godzilla himself.

When I look at bone-armored Bagan, I think it's instantly apparent what he's trying to be. The big bad dude of the episode. And the suit design doesn't even look all that powerful, to me. Just another bottom-heavy gojiroid.

I like Scatha's design to an extent, but I don't think it suits Bagan. Yes, it does appear consciously evil and malevolent, which does suit the bugger, but it's too sleek and typically draconic for it to really inspire any fear or awe in me.

Personally, I maintain that the best model for Bagan is the game one. It just speaks to me in so many ways.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to GREGOLE [2008-09-12 21:41:00 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you about Game Bagan. He just works. I think the joke I've saved up till this point will work really well with him as it will be reflect and poke fun at his character as a whole. I already did the Doom Beast vibe with Keizer Ghidorah which I get a feeling a lot people don't like regardless of what I do with him. Bagan is in the same boat to an extent and everytime he shows up its like he's stealing somebody's thunder. So yeah, the necro monster vibe is probably one I won't do.

I really wish I could find some screens of the bastard. I found some videos on YouTube and thats about it.Oh well, I'll make do with what I got. Keeping kaiju as kaiju seems to be the way to go. I take it the earthy brown works well for him as well.

I haven't scoured fanfiction in the Godzilla catergory for a LONG time so my perceptions are undoubtedly outdated and have never had any other opinions from which to bounce off of. After reading that fic you WANT Bagan to die with the firey zeal of a thousand suns. The story was actually counter productive to Bagan in that it stuck him in a niche and made everyone hate his guts till the end of time.Thanks for sharing your insight Gregole.

-RenDragonClaw

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GREGOLE In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-12 21:44:45 +0000 UTC]

How's this work: [link]

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RenDragonClaw In reply to GREGOLE [2008-09-12 22:45:36 +0000 UTC]

Yes! This is another great reference site. They have one good pic of Game Bagan I've never see before and its nice to see that the shoulder spikes are just that, spikes. I don't know if my approach is more interesting but the original's spikes are more useful as weapons so I think I'll use those. Thanks a bunch Gregole!

-RenDragonClaw

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TyrantisTerror In reply to ??? [2008-09-12 15:59:24 +0000 UTC]

My only problem with Bagan in Godzilla fiction is that he steals Ghidorah's role as Godzilla's arch nemesis. Done right, Godzilla doesn't need another big badass: he's got Ghidorah, who in his prime had to be taken down by the combined effort of seven kaiju (true, Angy, Gorosaurus, and Godzilla did most of the fighting, but Mothra and Kumonga's webbing was sorta helpful, Rodan kept Ghidy from getting away, and Minya did strike the final, killing blow). Plus Godzilla also has MechaGodzilla who, in his prime, was also a royal badass arch enemy.

That said, Bagan is a thoroughly interesting design and certainly looks the part of a badass. I much prefer him to the other gigantic, post-Ghidorah enemies in the Heisei series *cough, Destoroyah and SpaceGodzilla, cough, especially fucking SpaceGodzilla*. While Bagan may be usurping a role that's already filled, he is usurping it well.

I suggest you mainly use Video Game Bagan for your design - he looks the part the best. Suit Bagan has an interesting bone-armor vibe going on, but then we already had that in Monster X - I say keep his weird purple blob things and leave it there. Although maybe you could use the bone armor if you made it black instead of white while placing it over the other brown armor - keeps the Grim reaper look while not looking too similar to Monster X. Scatha's has the best face, neck armor, and wing spike protrusion thingies, so I'd say go with her version on those. Also, keep the lion-y tail plume idea - that just sounds awesomesauce.

Thar be my two cents.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to TyrantisTerror [2008-09-12 21:59:01 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you there. Ghidorah has always been Godzilla's rightful nemesis. He also plays off Godzilla in ways that Bagan doesn't so I personally wouldn't switch roles with the two for the world. It does make you wonder exactly were Bagan would fit in the scheme of things though, that always seems to be his problem.

Designwise its probably the best bet to go with a refined Game Bagan for the SD. Gregole is adamant as always about keep the kaiju from looking like dragons. Scatha's Bagan has a great face but it is very dragon like. I never saw the use in the purple orbs, unless they detached and became projectiles or something. I already have issues with Suit Bagan and frankly it looks like a lot of other people do to. Game Bagan allows me to keep most of the good stuff and keep him a kaiju at the same time. I really have no idea what those shoulder spikes are supposed to look like anyway. Thanks for advice .

-RenDragonClaw

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TyrantisTerror In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-12 23:32:59 +0000 UTC]

I think the purple orbs serve one great purpose - to look cool & distinctive. Granted, they are kinda, well, out of left field, but they're pretty much the only thing that really stuck out to me when looking at Suit Bagan (who, likewise, I am no incredibly fond of). Game Bagan looks distinctive enough with or without them, though, so it's all good.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to TyrantisTerror [2008-09-12 23:59:43 +0000 UTC]

Purple and white work together all right since they contrast rather nicely but brown and purple just make my eyes spin. Since Game Bagan is brown or amber or whatever earthy tone with reddish highlights, that Purple is a cool color that will suck the viewers eye straight toward his shoulders and little else.

Game Bagan's shoulders are actually mounted blade like structures that make pretty good weapons so I'd be reluctant to change that aside from my ignorance based sketch shown here.Red and Brown probably work the best for Bagan as it grounds him somewhat and keeps him from looking all grandoise.I could try to figure out ways of still incorperating somekind of orb like structure but generally I agree that Game Bagan is fine enough has is.

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The-Great-MM In reply to ??? [2008-09-12 15:40:39 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, you're thinking of Koumajutso (sp?): The Coming of Bagan. The story was awesome... But what happened after it made me utterly hate Bagan. EVERYBODY and their grandma then had the desire to use Bagan and it was always the same exact thing: uber evil bad guy with super-duper strength. I'd LOVE to see someone use the original 1980 version of Bagan that was planed to be in the original version of The Return of Godzilla.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to The-Great-MM [2008-09-12 22:11:57 +0000 UTC]

Thats the one where he's a shape shifting creature that heals everytime he switches forms but decides to combine all his forms into a final state that he can't change out of for more power and then getting nuked by Godzilla consequently after right? Yeah, that would have been a better use of him. Or Mothra's version where he's kinda like Battra in terms of his goals and world views. Wanting stop global warming even if he has to wipe out the whole human race to do it. I like those approachs more than another blatant dooms day monster.

-RenDragonClaw

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Dinalfos5 In reply to ??? [2008-09-12 11:40:33 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, yes, I remember that fiction, I was waiting patently at the website when the author Clint was writing it. It was quite the epic and dark fiction.
By the way, if you need pictures of Bagan from Super Godzilla, I have quite a few, ripped right out of the game. I could perhaps send them to you if you'd like if you want to use them for reference.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to Dinalfos5 [2008-09-12 22:13:25 +0000 UTC]

That would be very nice of you. Feel free to do so since just about everyone wants to use Game Bagan as the basis for the SD.

-RenDragonClaw

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Dinalfos5 In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-12 22:26:40 +0000 UTC]

Okay then. I guess I'll send them by E-mail then, it's the best method I can think of for now, so expect them soon.

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DesertEagle707 In reply to ??? [2008-09-12 10:54:53 +0000 UTC]

I'm just gonna go out and say that I, quite frankly, hate Bagan. He became the staple for so many fan fictions to be the ultimate villain and it was just a cliche. The only fiction I liked was the one featured at Kaijuphile.

But in terms of design, Bagan does look pretty cool and I have to say I like your sketches so far.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to DesertEagle707 [2008-09-12 11:15:01 +0000 UTC]

I only came across that one particular fanfiction with him in it but I see where your coming from. He's just the it guy for that role I guess. Space Godzilla? Destoroyah? Seen those too many times and don't get started on King Ghidorah. You know what I'd like to see? An Evil Mothra story. Seriously, I want to have Mothra go bat-shit-insane and start laying down the master plans and cloak & dagger machinations. That would be refreshing. Hell, why isn't Godzilla the bad guy anymore? Or Anguirus? Always living in the big G's shadow, thats got to build up a complex. Rodan? He's a lone wolf by nature and could easily go for more selfish motivations. Shit, Gabara could be like a dark horse that nobody see's coming, nothing like a sadistic ogre with too much power. I could probably turn any kaiju into a villan, lack of originality is just laziness.

Anyway I'll be mulling over my options. I've seen a SD version of Bagan floating around here and it looks great but a little too chibi for my tastes though. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

-RenDragonClaw

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The-Great-MM In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-12 15:43:13 +0000 UTC]

The Mothra in the rest of CL's stories isn't suppose to be a good girl. She's not evil per say, but I remember one line used to describe her was "Mothra, the guardian of Earth, has now become Mothra, the Angel of Death." or something like that. Last I remember reading, she was hunting down flocks of Gyaos.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to The-Great-MM [2008-09-12 22:16:56 +0000 UTC]

That would be a fun thing to see. I wonder how her relation with Gamera would have panned out. Mutual allies against a common menance or hunters at odds with each other over the same prey? I should really do some more reading to see what other craziness the fans have been cooking up.

-RenDragonClaw

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