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I got a minor gift out the way so I can finally start on the last of the original monsters in the series; the infamous Bagan. I remember reading a crazy cross over fanfiction of this bastard once. It was a Godzilla/Doomed Megalopolis story were Kato ressurects our three horned friend out of his icy tomb so he can destroy the world and Tokyo in the process. All the most famous Toho daikaiju make appearances and there is human drama and kaiju battles of a deeply ruthless nature throughout the story. It is a very, very dark fic. Dark but well done. A shit load of monsters die and cameos from all sorts of sources pop up when you least expect them to but in a good way. Anyway, that was my first real impression of Bagan and it has stuck. Bagan, the ruthless imbodiment of destruction and death, no single kaiju his equal save for one; and he didn't even appear in the fic. Bagan killed a shit load of kaiju in that story and I really felt for Mothra...it was hardcore how that fight went down.I get the feeling that alot of people see Bagan as the Gary Stue of the Godzilla world. Only existing to be an incredible bastard that beats the living hell out of everything and by some miracle be defeated in the end. I'm personally fine with that, its a rare thing in monster movies for the villain to truly be this unstoppable force for any length of time that would actually make us fear for the other characters lives. When I read that fic I could FEEL the hopelessness and dispair going on. The only other kaiju I've gotten that feeling from was the original Gojira and Mechagodzilla. Everyone else was like...yeah, thats nice, Godzilla is gonna nuke your ass anytime now...
Anyway the design of Bagan has never changed all that much over the years. There are basically two versions of him: the natural brown hell beast and the white reaper of Mankind. Both have their pros and cons but generally I like the Super Godzilla version or Game Bagan as I'm going to refer to him. Theres just generally more to work with and he's the only Bagan to actually get into some published work. Without any further ado...
Game Bagan:
The final boss of the game Super Godzilla, Bagan is the alien's last line of defense...and holy shit what a defense. Standing several stories over Godzilla and so ripped with muscle it is practically tearing out of his skin, Bagan is an ancient dragon beast taken from China in the distant past, inserted with King Ghidorah AND Godzilla cells and set to take down Godzilla once and for all, as well as the unfortuante world at large. There is really no way to beat this behemoth as normal Godzilla. Bagan is so tough, has so much life force and is so damn powerful that an a-typical Goji just can't last past the first five minutes. He certianly looks like a mad blend of genetics. He's got three distinctive horns, two sweeping ox horns on the sides and one large nasal horn shooting right off his face. He's got spikes shooting off his cheeks, down his back and these strange shoulder spike/wings that seem to just erupt from his shoulders like twin standards of doom. He's got a chest plate so you know this guy is gonna be hell (Mechagodzilla reference) and he is just fucking ripped everywhere. Seriously, Bagan has been taking some major steroids because he's just bulging with muscle in every conceivable place. Ontop of that he has armor plating ontop of said muscles so you are looking at a three horned, extremely buff, armor plated draconian juggernaut of death that is well over 100 stories high. The game graphics are hard to get a hold of so I based my interpretation from memory and the poster art Matt Frank did for Tohokingdom's little history project. It's not a full body shot but that profile shot is gold. He certianly is an imposing bastard thats for sure. One minor quirk I think is there is the lion like tail plume from a concept pic I found. Said concept had black armor but I generally hold it to be the same creature design wise. Overall Game Bagan is a solid contender and with some stylistic fine tuning he really does strike that final villan cord.
Suit Bagan:
Funny bit of trivia regarding Bagan, poor bastard has never gotten to even star in a movie. Time after time he gets dragged to the drawing board as a possible idea for a brand new adversary for either Godzilla or Mothra. Each and every time he gets shot down because either they aren't willing to risk money on something new and unexpected, or something better came up. Always a bridesmaid but never a bride...thats the story of Bagan's career in a nutshell. There is a suit though, and its a degree different than the Game Bagan that actually met the public. This unsung kaiju goes by the name of Suit Bagan and thats just what he is; a Bagan that fits the human form. This guy suffers from what all Heisei era monsters suffer and thats the thunder thighs of doom and tiny arms. Other than that Suit Bagan is pretty neat. His horns are solid black and smooth. His armor is a bone white that carries a bone motif to the legs. His shoulder spikes are a little different with the purple fleshy knobs hanging from them. His chest is more compact so that leaves room for those huge child bearing hips. There is an obvious armored plate hanging over his groin similar to rodans chest region in design. His tail is thick and powerful, much like Godzilla's and I don't know whats on the end of it but I'm guessing spikes this time, or the plume from before. His face has a lot of teeth, most of them rather thin and needle like and his eyes are set back and sunken. He's still pretty muscled but not ridiculessly so and its a brighter red so your definitely going to notice the contrast between the flesh and the armored plating. This was probably the one that would have fought Mothra but again, it was cancled.
Scatha Bagan:
There is not a lot of art of Bagan, as he's not very popular for various reasons outside of his long list of missed oppurtunities and canceled scripts. A couple artists here on DA have paid tribute to the draconian kaiju though and so I got one more version to share. Scatha Bagan, created by Scatha the Worm. The interesting thing about this Bagan is that it attempts to blend many concepts together with the Suit Bagan. It has a very draconian face that actually has a nose, no sense in not being able to breath right? The side horns are turned to the side instead looping forword like the previous incarnations. The horn shoots straight up more than it juts out so it grows more like a traditional horn might. It has a modest amount of teeth and prounced upper canines. The cheek spikes are fewer but more solid formations that seem to be apart of the skull itself. The armor is circular around the neck and bone motif of the armor is even further ingrained with it being on the arms, waist and legs. The shoulder spikes face outward like Suit Bagan but are sharper, higher, and purple flesh is replaced by orbs. The arms are longer and the tail has a set of razor spines on the end instead of the lions plume. The chest is a real treat as it takes the groin plate's same approach so there seems to be a matching set now.
Between the three I'm not really sure which one's are the most effective. Game Bagan is full of power and beastly fortitude while Suit Bagan offers a Grim Reaper like aspect to the design though I could really do without the fat thighs and the tiny arms. Scatha Bagan corrected most of Suit Bagan's problems but depending on the coloring it may be just as alien as Suit Bagan. Generally I favor Game Bagan and Scatha Bagan in terms of material. I really need some fan input on this one so if you got suggestions for a Hybrid ( which will later become the final SD ) please let me know. Brown or white? Plume or Spikes? Flesh or Muscle? You decide.
-RenDragonClaw
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Ancient Alien God is more akin to what 'Super Godzilla' fought in his only canon incarnation. The various scripts that would have used him in the movies employ something along the lines of him being an ancient chinese dragon or used to be before his radical transformation into the juggernaut Godzilla or Mothra had to put down. That's not counting the flying form from his triple form shape shifting version.
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hmm are there any pictures of akin? he sounds interesting...
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godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Bagan You can probably google the rest.
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I remember reading that fanfiction. Yeah, Bagan was quite a prick. Quite the crossover too. But I think he's the only kaiju in the world to not have a fandom, but a God damned cult!
Of all the Bagans, I like the concept art one the most actually. Who was the only kaiju capable of matching him in the fanfic? I don't remember at all.
My one wish would be for Bagan to finally make it onto the big screen, and then have Godzilla completely annihilate him in one fell swoop after all those dudes went out of their way to summon him from a hell hole!
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If I remember correctly, after absorbing King Seesar Bagan basically became unkillable to Godzilla's greatest attacks when just a few moments ago they were finally having a legitimate fight. Bagan basically trolled Godzilla with reflected beam attacks right up until he was unceremoniously dragged into kaiju hell via the interference of the heroes and PLOT. Thus Godzilla was left empty handed and unable to fully avenge himself while Bagan had to begin contending with all the countless demonic entities in kaiju hell. The world was left in a state of total disaster. Mothra became grimdark, Godzilla is still pissed and a shit ton of people and kaiju died. Real downer ending lol.
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Yeah thats how I remember it. This story is what probably lead to this psychotic cult Bagan has around him. According to translated sections (some poster on the Club Tokyo forums' wife translated some of it for him) of Heisei Godzilla Perfection book, Bagan was Tomoyuki Tanaka's favorite unused creation (no shit, he was used in several aborted films). Oddly enough, Bagan is also canon to the Heisei Godzilla series. But whatever events that happened, they were offscreen.
If the author was really creative he would have had Sun God from Yamato Takeru slay him. It really is the only other way to do it if they wanted to play up the Good vs Evil thing.
As for me, I really don't think he'd be anywhere near as powerful as his cultists say. He was going to be destroyed by Mothra in his appearance.
Ever seen Elephant Bagan o_O? Crazy stuff. He actually had quite the varying designs before they went with what we got (or didn't lol).
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Oh man, the 'ballad of Bagan' is something else lol. He originally was actually a monster that morphed into three different monsters: a monkey, a giant fish and a flying winged dragon that Godzilla beat each in term but couldn't kill so long as he kept changing forms. He basically auto healed to full health with each transformation. He fucked up when he merged all his forms together like a living totem pole and tried to crush Godzilla with his combined might. He was the power of three monsters but could not longer heal and thus as Godzilla is known to do, won the war of attrition and obliterated him. That was the 'original concept' Bagan. Bagan's only canon appearance is in Super Godzilla SNES where he was the final boss. He was a very awesome final boss and both his entrance and exit were epic (for the time and medium). Then there was the Mothra movie script but he was scrapped again. That's where the white bone like suit version came from. The fic basically took all of this pent up nostalgia and memetic energy and turned it into a penultimate villain. Super Godzilla used all Heisei concepts for the monsters so I can see how it could be considered 'canon' in that regard providing one finds where Super Godzilla appeared in the timeline.
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I don't think it was meant that Super Godzilla is canon, but rather that Bagan had an outing in the Heisei Godzilla series timeline sometime before the series ended and was defeated somewhere off screen.
Quite an interesting development. I think my favorite of the unused Bagan designs actually has to be the elephant looking design, and the this dark purple and red armored design with shoulder cannons.
ever heard of Barubaroi by any chance? Now that was one hell of a concept.
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Just googled Barubaroi, dayum. That's something straight out of the Far Realm.
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Yeah. Barubaroi was literally Godzilla vs THE THING (John Carpenter's). Shape shifting parasite monster. It even was supposed to corrupt the Heisei Anguirus (who was considered for the project as one of the creatures mutated by the parasite).
Ultimately, it was one of the projects that went to become Godzilla vs Destoroyah.
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personally i think the scatha is the better design.now,in every bio i have read it says that bagan,prior to being infused with G nd KG cells,was a dragon.currently im working on a design concept that features a decent looking mix of the three(the dragon being a european dragon design) but so far the only problem is how to blend the shoulder spikes with true wings and make it look more like a dragon nd less like a mutant offspring of godzilla nd greymon
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The end result would be akin to Destoroyah lite. You'd have a toweringly bipedal creature with wings. Besides that the absolutely original concept for Bagan was a gestalt creature that was a fusion of three different forms (land, sea and air) that made this totemic looking abomination. That's where your winged european dragon idea comes from. By the time the game rolled in, the basic idea behind 'dragon' had taken a more asian persuasion. You can tell by the concept art's hair plume on the tail tip. That's an Asian Lung Dragon trait. The European dragon was a part of the totemic design. Being supposedly from China in the mothra movie script which was his second incarnation, this makes the most sense.
A lot of my peers showed a dislike for the feasible redesigns that incorperated a white and purple color scheme ala Freeza and a semi grimreaper/draconic motif. Ultimately Bagan was a physical juggernaut of a mutation and the only really legit take on him is from the game. I thus based my SD on that exclusively, brown coloration and everything. The shoulder blade like protrusions are an iconic aspect of his design (and another Lung trait), much like his tri horn configuration. You start messing with that stuff the design stops being a 'Bagan' design and starts being something else.
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true,true.ive done some research as well and found a pic that i like for reference, the pictue being a body sketch study from *Rasiris.The study by Rasiris shows 2 different wing concepts,one being death ghidorah the other being king ghidorah.looking at this is wut kinda got me thinking about a more dragon-ish bagan thats capable of flight.
Now while i actually like the dragon-reaper motif,i do agree the purple brings frieza to mind so maybe a more...evil color(blood red,perhaps?)could be used for the shoulder orbs.the shoulder spines and tri-horn definitely stay,im just thinking of a concept that displays a dragonized bagan while still keeping features from the suit and game versions
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I'd have to see the design for myself before drawing conclusions but from what people have told me repeatedly, Bagan's Daikaiju aspects/overall monstrousness takes presidence over any dragon in him.
Granted, Ghidorah is a draconic alien and he's in there too. So if anything, a more draconic Bagan would be one with a strong asian flavor to him, a bit more exotic where the textures are concerned. The game bagan had these massive segmented plates, a more draconic Bagan would be...actually more scaley.
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once i get the design(or at least a rough draft)done and hopefully my scanner back to working,ill have it up for feedback.
hmm,could a mix of both plates and scales work? cuz now that you mention it,some dinosaurs had both as well,best examples being nodosaurs and their mor popular cousins the ankylosaurs
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Sure, Bagan is an armored juggernaut so it's not at all out of character for him to have a good mix.
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Game Bagan ftw.
Anyway, what's up with that fan fic thing with Bagan? Any good? Horrible? What's the case?
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You mean that bizzare 'purely photoshop' mini comic I did for the lulz? It's very scratchy looking but I believe it's pretty humorous. It parodies DBZ in case you're wondering.
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No, not that. Something that was mentioned in the older comments on this pic. *insert strange word here*: The Coming of Bagan.
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This deviation was so long ago I have no idea what it could be about or if it ever got off the ground or if I was even the one to bring it up. I have always wanted to see Bagan used somehow, someway again in the series but I've never gone about trying to invoke it personally beyond the SD series these studies are made for.
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These arts are just WAY too cool. 
Structure wise... I'd have to say Game Bagan, with a little bit of both Suit and Scatha's in there.
The black neck color of the suit, but the design from the game.
The three horns are black, but unsmooth like the game (that one horn still has the hook). Though the rest of the spikes on his body are still that tan looking color.
Nostrils from Scatha's
Tail like Game Bagan, with with that end-tail design from Scatha's
Chest plate from Game, but with the chest spikes from Scatha
Neck plates from Scatha, but brown colored
Purple orb things from suit and Scatha's, but has those spikes comng from them like Game
His muscular knuckles are white
Deep eye sockets
Black tipped nails
That's all I got.
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You might want to check out the SD of him, thats pretty much the Hybrid but smaller.
Also regarding the Game's spikes, those aren't accurate, that was personal embellishment of mine to fill in what I didn't know. When I got the actual game shots, I largely based the Hybrid on that as the other ones were very 'Necro-dragon' and made him cliche and Gary-Stueish. Not a lot of people liked the suit though Scatha's features were pretty cool. I went with the crescent moon blades that the Game actually has. Thanks for the suggestions though, maybe a full body sketch of the Hybrid might pop up sooner or later.
-RenDragonClaw
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this critter has a potential. It's too bad he didn't had any part. I agree with you, he deserves something! other than a small-time game!
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Always a bridesmaid but never a bride, thats Bagan for you. He's just too hardcore for them to handle correctly.I'm telling you, those guys at Toho are going senile and need to pass the torch to someone who gives a shit about the franchise. The fact that they keep desperately trying to keep it out of the hands of the public domain dudes is cool and all but seriously. They aren't doing anything to really make it better. At this point they have Godzilla locked under house arrest while they survive off the royalties and whatever minibudget movies they are doing these days.
-RenDragonClaw
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I'll say..why do they kept cutting off the heisei timelines? It's not like there's something to be ashamed about! If you ask me, they are losing the imaginative concepts that they have been providing for years.
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They've had lots of things come out of the concept department that frankly would be better received. Though I do have to admit that Toho is a Japanese company dealing with a Japanese market. What we might see as awesome they could largely see as either insulting or boring.
That said, if they would just step outside the box and just have fun with the franchise again, we wouldn't have to suffer through yet another fight between Godzilla and King Ghidorah or drag Mechagodzilla out of the storage room and make him gary-stue to the infinite power and then have him utterly pwn Godzilla like a bastard step child for the ratings.
-RenDragonClaw
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I was thinking that maybe they are losing ideas of a good monster. I for one have been tinkering and making up monsters for a while. That or they just need to be more creative. I mean Megaguirus was a total fluke...
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What do you mean by fluke exactly? Fluke as in failure or fluke as ironically happenstance. What happens most of the time with Toho's kaiju is that they have a great concept and pretty good design but once you adhere them to suits some of them don't hold up as well. Megaguirus was a kaiju that emphasized speed and ferocity and thats REALLY hard to do in any beleivable manner when your using a puppet and don't even bother to hide the strings!
I'll definitely agree that Toho is kinda blazae in the creative department these days. I mean, how many versions of King Ghidorah are there now? More than there should be though I admit Emperor Ghidorah is pretty solid, Kaizer Ghidorah was a mess. They did do something nifty with Monster X though so it wasn't all bad. Mothra practically went Anime on us with the number of forms and powerups and Godzilla can't make up his mind whether he's a ghost possesed demon (GMK), a semi retarded dinosaur (Kiryu Saga), or the second coming of Chuck Norris (FW).
-RenDragonClaw
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well, the fights on GXM was indeed entertaining, but the whole concept of interdimensional dragonflies was kinda weird and vauge. I found it kinda random having megagurius around.
Some of the remade kaijus on GFW kinda disappointed me. King Shisa, a god, how on earth did he got controlled? plus Hedorah! I mean a complete waste man! Why put on Hedorah, one of the strongest foe G fought if you're gonna give him a two minute kill? and FROM A BEAM!
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Yeah, millenium was filled with unkept promises and shattered conceptions of what the kaiju were. Anguirus, Rodan, and King Caesar all ended up bad guys who tag teamed Godzilla and got owned when Showa Rodan was Godzilla's equal, King Caesar was just as tough at close quarter combat if not better then Godzilla and Angurius's tenacity was seemingly absent considering he was Godzilla's first opponent and gave him quite the brutal fight.
Agree with the beam death being bullshit. Hedorah was largely immune to Godzilla's breath and he could have easily thrown Ebirah to the wayside to start the fight in earnest. Ebirah could have had a great underwater to fight with another kaiju but he got turned into an exclusive doormat for the mutants; just to show the audience that oh wow, humanity can effectively fight kaiju by themselves now 
Final Wars really should have been initally a human vs kaiju, then human vs. Alien, then earth kaiju vs alien controlled kaiju. It seemed that Godzilla did all the ass kicking while Mothra helped a bit at the end. If I had my way, Manda would not be dead and we would have had this after Godzilla's release:
-Godzilla vs. Gigan
-Godzilla vs. Zilla, ends exactly the same way 
-Godzilla vs. Rodan, Anguirus, with King Caesar popping in to end the mind control bull shit that ends in stalemate after mind control is broken. Mothra also pops in, and alliance is formed.
-Anguirus Godzilla team vs. Kumonga Kumacaras team. Hero team has trouble until they swtich opponents and kick their ass.
-Mothra and King Caesar end up facing Hedorah until Ebirah trys to sneak attack from the shore but gets dragged back under by Manda who kicks his ass. Mothra and King Caesar combine attacks to finally take Hedorah down.
-Human guys do their invasion of the mothership but seem overwhelmed by the alien airforce until Rodan pops in and gives them an opening, usual plot commences from there until Godzilla reachs Tokyo.
-Godzilla vs. Monster X single match. Monster X knocks out Anguirus with his beams to prove what an asshole he is. Godzilla proceeds to have a brutal fight with him that ends with Anguirus making a surprise comeback and giving Godzilla an opening to blast X back into his meteor crater. At this point the other kaiju show up to basically say 'yep your fucked'.
-Monster X does his Kaiser Ghidorah transformation and all the monsters team up to take his crazy ass down.
So does that sound like a better battle synopsis?
-RenDragonClaw
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now that's better!
my fanseries kinda ends that way too!
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What do you say? Will Bagan apear in the new series of Godzilla movies?
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When, and if Toho ever makes another Godzilla movie in our life times...they will probably do what they've always done and take bits and pieces from old monsters to make new ones. If they get desperate enough they might unleash Bagan but he's probably doomed to languish in recycled concept hell. There is a possibility that the next Godzilla fighting game that comes out will have Bagan. Providing they actually do that.
-RenDragonClaw
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I fell sorry for him, because he is such a great design for a kaiju. It`s like you always wanted to apear on Broadway, you are a great artist, but no one appreciates you.
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His crazy fanbase doesn't really help the issue either with fanfiction thats just generally insane. He may get a shot some day but knowing Toho thats probably as slim chance.
-RenDragonClaw
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I would say to go with Game Bagan, but you already have. 
My version was really more of an odd idea for Bagan I had-He's a long dead dragon-beast, brought back to life by some alien tech or a living goo of some sort. That actually sorta gave rise to my Proteus.
So really, the Game version was the best one to go with, considering everything. He has a solid design, and a very nice color scheme. I'm aweful flattered that you liked mine enough to consider it, though!
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I'm glad your one of the few artists that actually bothered to draw him at all. He's not a very popular kaiju outside of his overblown fan fiction so it was even harder than usual to find references for him. I think your design was pretty effective considering what we have to work with floating around the internet.
-RenDragonClaw
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I really like the game version,and scatha both of them just are better than the suit version(I don't hate him,but I dislike fat kaijus)
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I perfer heavily muscled with definition over the typical mountains of lard that seem to imbody the Heisei era. The tiny arms are also a pet peeve of mine, unless they are part of his character like Gorosaurus's case.
I'll get to coloring him today so perhaps I'll have him ready to submit later tonight.
-RenDragonClaw
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On Bagan vs. Monster X...
Give me Bagan anyday. I may hate Bagan, but I hate X even more. X himself is nothing more than a scam. His entire design is nothing more than an updated Seabohozu (an Ultraman kaiju) with some bone things on his shoulders. Not to mention the fact fans everywhere were trying to make him out to be some sort of Godly strong kaiju simply because Godzilla fell to a knee when hit by his beam. Was utterly pathetic. Not to mention the fact Bagan LOOKS like a powerful enemy while... X doesn't. HATE skinny kaiju, IMO, kaiju should be big, powerful, and bulky. Not f'n ninjas.
So yeah.. X is my most hated. Bagan is my 2nd.
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Don't know what brought X into the conversation but okay
He's just different. Trading durability for speed and agility isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't stand up too well when your opponent is a walking mountain of constantly regenerating dinosaur flesh that can also nuke you to kingdom come. I never heard of Seabohozu so I'm in the dark as to why his originality is in question or why it makes that much of a difference.
I understand your view point though, traditional kaiju do fit that 'bigger is better' stereotype and most benefit from those features. I do feel that some of those monsters like Destoroyah and Space Godzilla had those features a bit too much and that it made them look sluggish and clumsy. It's usually the tiny arms that makes me wince personally. Even X suffered from it a bit with his very top heavy look that was frankly all over the place. I think either extreme is a serious design flaw, too thin and he breaks like a stick, too thick and he looks like a waddling mountain of lard. Whether he's a juggernaut of muscle or a ninja as you aptly put it, I'm fine with it as long as it looks like he can function with some degree of legitimacy.
My most hated monster is Viras, simply because I see no purpose for a squid creature to have a falcon face that has no function. Silly kaiju generally wear down my paitence but to each his own
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Speaking of Gamera villains, will you be doing SD versions of Gamera and his ilk after you complete your Godzilla run?
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Perhaps, in a sporadic fashion. I really need to build my portfolio up with things that don't have copyright's looming over their heads. I have SD Gyaos as a request so you'll at least see that one sometime in the future. Gamera's always in the back of my mind and I got two really good humor sources in mind but I haven't really decided on which one yet. So yeah, eventually
-RenDragonClaw
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I prefer the game version (the way you draw it anyhow). Seems to have more personality.
A kind of "you intend to fight me? If you're sure, hihihihi..!" attitude
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I did give him that kind of look didn't I. It could probably work that way. The SD I have drawn doesn't have that exact expression but the anatomy is all in place and thats what counts I suppose. Hopefully I'll have him up sometime tomorrow.
-RenDragonClaw
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