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The premise of this scenario is rather simple: the interval between WWIII and WWII is the same as that between WWII and WWI. That puts the date of the start of WWIII at July 12, 1965. To get there, I decided to remove the Cuban Missile Crisis, with Khrushchev refusing the Cuban request to place Soviet missiles on the island. The Cold War seems to be going better than OTL, until in early 1965, when uprisings in East Germany and Czechoslovakia prompt the rest of the Warsaw Pact to send in the tanks. The Americans, still under JFK, denounce this action. Khrushchev responds by increasing the Soviet military presence in Eastern Europe. After a shootout in Berlin escalates into war between the two Germanies, war quickly spreads across Europe. On July 12, 1965, WWIII begins. Far-off fronts like Korea and Vietnam are included in the conflict, but surprisingly, the Chinese remain neutral, much to the rage of the Soviets. The Soviet Army does not perform as well in Europe, stalling on the Rhine, and allowing American forces to make their way to continental Europe. Fighting goes on for months, the Poles and Hungarians revolt against the Warsaw Pact, and the Soviets become desperate enough to move nuclear missiles to Cuba. This is unacceptable to the Americans, and while most of the Soviet Navy is sunk, a few submarines make it to the Gulf and launch their missiles. In response, the Americans launch all of their nuclear weapons, obliterating the Soviet armies in Germany and the Soviet Union itself. The Soviets manage to get good hits against the United Kingdom and the United States. During the ending days of the war, China declares war against the weakened Soviet Union, and seizes as much territory as it can.The post-war decade was grim. Not only were the economic and political centers of the world all but destroyed, and millions of people dead, but there was also great environmental damage. The soot thrown up into the stratosphere by WWIII blotted out the Sun for nearly a decade, causing widespread famine even in areas that were not hit by nuclear weapons. The Chinese suffered particularly, as the Chinese government went through insane strategy after another to mitigate the starvation failed. The Chinese lost thirty five million to the "Great Struggle of the People" in the 1970s. This would eventually prompt the quiet sidelining of Mao and his acolytes in favor of Deng Xiaoping and other reformers.
Some regimes took advantage of the post-war chaos. The anti-Israeli Arab states, always weary of American assistance for Israel, invaded in the weeks after the end of WWIII, as they felt that the Israelis would not receive any outside assistance. Indeed, the Israelis were eventually defeated, but at tremendous cost to the Arabs. The Israelis had prepared for such an opportunistic attack, doing a number on the invading Arab armies. Without a chance to resupply, the Arab armies were too weak to fight against the Caliphate movement. The Arab Gulf monarchies fell in the early 1980s, what remained of their oil revenue drying up, with the subsequent anarchy being replaced with an apocalyptic Islamic caliphate which believes that the End Times are nigh, and it is their job to finish the work started in WWIII by starting a fourth world war. The Caliphate movement began in Mecca, but quickly spread throughout the Sunni Arab world, toppling the local regime.
It is 1990, and another world war may be brewing. The People's Republic of China reigns supreme. While it has abandoned the Maoism of the past, it is still an authoritarian one-party state, enforcing its iron will across East Asia. China has brought what remains of the Soviet Union to heel. This regime, centered in Central Asia, has a Central Asian majority and leadership, with a plurality of Russian refugees from the wasteland. The Russians chafe at their reduced status in private, not very amused by the irony. The Chinese also compete with Scandinavia over the Arctic. The Non-Aligned Movement, led by India, has become the premier bloc opposing the Chinese and nuclear proliferation. Generally made up of left-leaning democracies and dictatorships, the Non-Aligned Movement combined can challenge China, but none of them alone can. These two powers may be the next combatants in a WWIV. A few powers have attempted to take up the mantle of the old United States. Brazil and Australia have created their own regional unions, attempting to preserve democratic and Western traditions.
The United States was hit hard, but it was not destroyed as a nation-state. The federal government was decapitated, and emergency military rule came over the country. It never left, and a cabal of five generals and admirals rule the country from behind the scenes. The United States has largely retreated from world affairs, but it still professes a fanatical hatred of communism, particularly in its modern, Chinese form. Europe is in shambles, with much of the interior still ruled by warlords. The European National Front was founded by remnants of Operation Gladius, fascist and other far-right elements used as a stay-behind force by retreating NATO forces. The ENF is a tinpot dictatorship, with a love-hate relationship with the American regime. Poland, Yugoslavia, Austria and Switzerland have banded together with the Non-Aligned Movement to keep the peace, and now to resist the ENF. While the ENF has a much lower population than these states, it is fanatical and doesn't seem to realize its own weakness. Africa continues minding its own affairs. Egypt dominates the north, particularly after the defeat of the State of Israel. The apartheid regime in South Africa has become the inheritor of European-dominated regimes on the continent, and is challenging China for hegemony over Africa. Many Europeans fled to the African colonies during and after WWIII, buffing up the white population in the colonies.
Technology is far behind our own, closer to the mid-1970s. Few people have made it a priority to develop fancy new tech when survival is on the mind and a dependence on tried and true methods is necessary. Not to mention, the destruction of the superpowers and the European continent have killed off some of the biggest engines of innovation. Brazil and China have launched men into orbit, and only recently has man walked on the Moon (a Chinese mission). Most new innovations are in the field of agriculture and survival, such as protection from radiation.Β
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Comments: 71
123456789JD [2017-02-17 12:12:21 +0000 UTC]
How is the US classified as a rogue state? It rules almost the entirety of North America.
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RvBOMally In reply to 123456789JD [2017-02-17 15:22:33 +0000 UTC]
Because the rest of the world is actively hostile to it and vice versa.
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123456789JD In reply to RvBOMally [2017-03-09 01:27:10 +0000 UTC]
Are the Americans still racist and have Jim Crow in place or are they largely equal with non-whites in their society?
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jas09 In reply to 123456789JD [2018-06-22 19:16:08 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure segregation has been ditched as a matter of necessity.
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GDSPatheII [2016-12-12 20:52:18 +0000 UTC]
So are yhe generals eventually gonna step down or will they just rule the US Forever
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videogamecirculation [2016-10-18 04:45:05 +0000 UTC]
Now this is interesting and all, but how'd this end tagged as enf?
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RvBOMally In reply to videogamecirculation [2016-10-18 05:27:09 +0000 UTC]
I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about.
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videogamecirculation In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-18 05:28:40 +0000 UTC]
Shall I send a note on how I found this?
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Scrapknight-507 [2016-10-17 22:20:53 +0000 UTC]
Heh, so the US is run by a regime of the "Five Generals," you might say? I see what you did there.
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RvBOMally In reply to Scrapknight-507 [2016-10-17 22:42:22 +0000 UTC]
It makes sense in this context, too. One military leader for each branch of the US military.Β
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ZimsMostLoyalServant [2016-10-17 17:49:29 +0000 UTC]
Interesting scenario. New players rise from the ashes of the old world, while the remainders try to scrabble back together from their pieces.
Question: what's the capital of America now?
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BadgingBadger In reply to ZimsMostLoyalServant [2016-10-17 21:18:34 +0000 UTC]
I believe it's Chicago, considering that it was developed a lot and not nuked.
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ZimsMostLoyalServant In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-17 22:04:26 +0000 UTC]
That works.
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Whiteshore1 [2016-10-16 10:51:44 +0000 UTC]
Does the US military rule directly or do they rule through a puppet civilian government packed with far-right politicians?
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PersephoneEosopoulou [2016-10-16 05:09:11 +0000 UTC]
How badly would the Fourth World War fuck things up?
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BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 04:13:20 +0000 UTC]
1. Do the arabians believe that bringing about the apocalypse (in this case, WWIV) will awaken the mahdi?
2. How does the government of the ENF work and who's their dictator?
3. How did the brazilian military junta fall?
4. Have the chinese given another name for Vladivostok?
5. Are the darker areas in the US map federal territories or martial law areas?
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 04:20:32 +0000 UTC]
1. No, they believe their eventual leader would be the Mahdi, and that a figure in the Chinese Communist Party isΒ Al-Dajjal. They want to provoke WWIV so Jesus comes back from Heaven (as per the Islamic apocalypse tale, of course).
2. They're basically assorted neo-Nazi warlords that just meet together on broad policy. There is no one leader; they're all too egotistical for that.Β
3. Protests during the Great Hunger took them down.Β
4. Yes: the Vladivostok Exclusion Zone.Β
5. Martial law/occupation.Β
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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 04:25:07 +0000 UTC]
4(RE). Shit, didn't notice.
1. Why did Scandinavia expand into Siberia?
2. Why not have WWIV happen in 1989-90?
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 04:30:57 +0000 UTC]
1. That's mostly theoretical.Β
2. It's about to start.
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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 04:42:20 +0000 UTC]
How much "about to start" is it? Like, it's almost coming?
Would some 1983-like computer glitch be the cause?
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 04:46:48 +0000 UTC]
Nah, because computers aren't that advanced. Likely a Caliphate terror attack against China sparks things off.Β
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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 04:48:16 +0000 UTC]
How many nukes does the caliphate possess?
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 04:49:34 +0000 UTC]
None, they're doing this conventionally.Β
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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 04:52:37 +0000 UTC]
Then i don't think it'll be another world war if it's confined to Arabia.
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 04:54:00 +0000 UTC]
It's going to spiral out of control.
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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 04:56:49 +0000 UTC]
But how? Arabia's a rogue state.
Unless they are aiming to cause terrorist attacks to more countries than China in order to make them all declare war on the caliphate, meet in the arabian battleground, and possibly butterfly into a mid-battle fuckup with one side's troops accidentally skirmishing with another side's troops. Though that's unlikely.
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-10-16 05:05:31 +0000 UTC]
I'm picturing several unrelated wars merging into one big one, so Arabia's just the first piece.
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Gregxter [2016-10-16 01:34:11 +0000 UTC]
What happened to the Kennedy administration afterwards?, And to Khrushchev's Soviet Union?
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RvBOMally In reply to Gregxter [2016-10-16 01:57:59 +0000 UTC]
They're both radioactive ash.
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OneHellofaBird [2016-10-16 01:14:14 +0000 UTC]
so it's a lot like the world from the 1999 masterpiece Blast from the Past!
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BagelBagelBagel [2016-10-15 21:29:43 +0000 UTC]
What country has the highest living standards in this world?
What's the tech level in 1990?
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RvBOMally In reply to BagelBagelBagel [2016-10-15 22:55:23 +0000 UTC]
Probably Oceania or Brazil. China is still very agrarian, having had a funΒ 1970s thanks to nuclear winter.Β
Probably comparable to the mid-1970s. The Chinese just landed on the Moon.Β
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BagelBagelBagel In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-15 23:41:52 +0000 UTC]
what weapons with WWIV be fought with?
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BagelBagelBagel In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 00:04:10 +0000 UTC]
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RvBOMally In reply to BagelBagelBagel [2016-10-16 00:21:24 +0000 UTC]
I trust Einstein with the physics, but to trust him with historiography would be akin to asking him for advice on buying a car or cooking the perfect steak. Not his area of expertise.
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BagelBagelBagel In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 23:13:14 +0000 UTC]
Actually, the emote was supposed to mean "this world is going to be fucked" rather than being disappointed for lack of Einstein reference.Β
Is there still a chance for WWIV not to take place, even if it's likely at this point?Β
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RvBOMally In reply to BagelBagelBagel [2016-10-17 02:36:23 +0000 UTC]
Well, the entire point is that world wars start every twenty years or so, so no.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 15:00:38 +0000 UTC]
Me I personally think that a WWIV in general would be fought with what WWIII had in terms of weaponryΒ and would improve upon them as well; WWII did that for WWI's weaponry so I can expect the other world wars to do so as well, though given how short TTL's WWIII lasted,Β I can't imagine what kind of new stuff would it bring to the table.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2016-10-16 15:53:00 +0000 UTC]
There isn't too much improvement going on, given the state of the world.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2016-10-16 21:23:24 +0000 UTC]
I figured so, when it comes to rebuilding from a nuclear devastation in a world war, military innovations have to take a back seat in terms of finances.
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LogoP [2016-10-15 20:53:54 +0000 UTC]
How come and Poland managed to make it out in such a good shape, compared to the rest of the East Bloc?
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RvBOMally In reply to LogoP [2016-10-15 22:36:43 +0000 UTC]
They had mass uprisings in the last days of WWIII, so NATO was less reluctant to nuke them.
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