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A cover of beedok 's Languages of the Spartan Republic of Rome and Tianxia Union .Alright, the premise of this is very obvious. This technically has two PoDs, although the first one is earlier so you can chalk up the second one to butterflies. The first PoD is the Romans doing much better during the wars with the Sassanids, meaning the Crisis of the Third Century is averted and the Roman Empire manages to stay together. The second PoD is the Three Kingdoms Period being far more chaotic, with the three states breaking down further, a plague, and a Korean invasion thrown in to the mix. As a result, China as a unified political entity is a dead letter by the middle of the Fourth Century. This has an interesting effect on Chinese culture, as while the Sinosphere becomes divided politically, the years of war lead to the rise of a messianic, apocalyptic version of Buddhism that becomes popular among the soldiers, then among the peasants, and lastly among leaders trying to gain or keep the loyalty of the other two.
You can probably guess how history goes after this. A monotheistic version of Shiva-worship arises on the Indian subcontinent and overruns Southeast Asia, before being stopped by the Chinese. Eurasia is devastated by the Magyars, who in particular do a number on the Roman Empire and the Indian kingdoms. Religious wars spark up within China and India, and holy wars are waged between the two culture groups. The coastal Chinese states begin sending explorers around the world in search of Western trade routes, dominating Oceania and then eventually discovering the New World, while Rome stagnates. The Cantonese, then the Japanese and the Yang, colonize the New World, and said colonies eventually gain independence. The Chinese states gain dominance over the world, even influencing Rome, although they never manage to colonize Rome and Britannia directly. A republican revolution overthrows the Roman Empire, but this republic only lasts five years before the radical, collectivist-militant Sparticists overthrow the republic. The Two Oceans War, mostly between the Legalist[1] Hango Empire and its neighbors, and Britannia and Rome, destroys Chinese dominance of the world and leads to a cold war between the Japanese-speaking Nanto Republic and the autocratic Mongol Union. The Nanto successfully turn the Romans against the Mongols, and the Mongol Union collapses due to internal power struggles. The Romans quickly industrialized in the meanwhile, and are now the second largest economy on Earth. Now, the Nanto Federation is the global hegemon, but the post-Two Oceans War, post-Ice War world order is being threatened by civil war in India, the refugee crisis into China that has caused, and the growing rivalries between Nanto, Rome, and the new Mongol Republic.
A few more notes:
- The United Republics of Asia is a Japanese project. The region was colonized by Japan, but was eventually granted independence. It is a religiously diverse state, with Zoroastrianism and Shaivism being the largest religions. It does have Christian and Jewish minorities.
- Rome is officially atheistic, although Greco-Roman paganism, the Imperial Cult and Christianity survived the Sparticist Revolution and the Culture Cleansing. Many great temples were destroyed during the Cultural Cleansing, which is still a touchy subject in Rome.
- The Hango, which are a mixed Korean-Chinese state, don't like being called Legalists, and hence have adopted a very libertine attitude to just about everything.
- Dhamial was established by the Japanese after they retreated from India. A Tamil-dominated state, they manage to have dominance over the Sinhalese majority, which are kept in poverty. They have an unauthorized nuclear program, which is cause for concern.
- The Tianxia Union was established after the Two Oceans War, both as an alliance to keep the Mongols out and the Hango down, and as an economic and free trade union. It has since grown to encompass much more, and is criticized as being an attempt by Hango to create another unified Chinese Empire, which critics say will inevitably collapse.
- Dongying recently voted to leave the Tianxia Union, but they have yet to do so. It's still a controversial issue. The Yi Republic and its allies, being former Mongol-dominated states and facing the brunt of the migrant crisis, are also leading an effort to leave.
[1] My apologies to QuantumBranching
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A pretty cool idea, but Kongsi being a Switzerland analogue is a bit odd given that the region is pretty agricultural and productive, as opposed to Switzerland who developed many of its famous industries mostly because its land was pretty much useless for anything else. Although it might just be there for the purpose of matching geographically.
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Why does Japan use a Chinese name instead of Nihon/Nippon? It isn't even the Mandarin pronunciation of 日本 or anything. On the other hand, Japanese-colonized not-America does use a Japanese name.
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It's just how the naming conventions shook out. The Chinese use their name for Japan instead of the Japanese name for Japan, and they stole the name for Nanto from the Japanese.
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Bit late, but maybe you can answer.
Is there a Roman equivalent of a “Hong Kong”? Is there a Century of Humiliation ATL analogue? What European city would that be?
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There isn't, but if there is one I would have placed it in Gibraltar.
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Ah, alright. I do like how the name of the most powerful country on earth is the rather nondescript "Southeast Federation"; very modest of them.
I can't figure out who the two Mayis are supposed to be. I know Southeast Asia (at least the island parts) is Africa, but it's still not ringing a bell. For that matter, I'm not sure which African nation corresponds to the Philippines. And who are Ethiopia and Sheba supposed to be? Thailand and Cambodia?
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I'd take is Mixizipi is a mixture of Chile and Peru, is that correct?
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Roman!kahing: What is troll? You are Eastern Propaganda fucker, spread anti-Rome propaganda on internet. Rome need not democracy, need not throwing banana (or in Japanese: Torōru to wa nanidesu ka? Anata wa, intānetto de kō rōma senden o hirome, tōhō no puropaganda no fakku shite iru. Rōma wa minshu shugi o hitsuyō to sezu, banana o nageru hitsuyō mo nai)
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I loved that guy; he was a good example of what your brain looks like on Chinese nationalism.
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I had a similar idea although I was going to do Indochina as the Balkans and Korea would be Scandinavia
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i might have worded my question wrong, did Mongolia expand in a manner similar to OTL? or was it more like russia IOTL?
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Interesting. I wonder how Christianity has developed in an almost supernaturally stable Roman Empire.
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Far more syncretic with the other beliefs. It also never became the state religion so no big church institutions
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Is ths country in OTL Kurdistan the Bangladesh analogue by any chance?
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I'm curious if the Nanto Federation has a Trump analog. Parallelism would say yes, but geographical differences-mainly a giant, hard to cross rainforest would make undocumented immigrants a bit less of an issue, I would think.
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They have already walled off the areas where crossing over isn't ridiculously deadly.
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Great work! However, how do the Sikhs exist if the POD is pre-Islam?
I assume Dhamial is the Israel-equivalent?
Is there an Ireland analogue?
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That's an embarrassing mistake!
Yes.
The Ryuku Islands.
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Do the Romans actually live up to their Spartan namesake (or try to anyways), or is it just there to make them sound intimidating?
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They're rather militaristic, so in a sense they do. Nothing like helotry, though.
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Excellent.
Not quite sure where *Belgium is: 45 looks like either someplace landlocked or the Yang.
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45 is meant to be *Switzerland. *Belgium would be one of the coastal states between Yang and Hango.
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51 says Papoua used to be a Kongsi colony.
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That was more an oblique reference to the Congo Free State. There is no Chinese state named "kongsi."
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Great map!
I realised what is going on (or rather how MUCH it is happening here) at footnote number 4. I must thank Polandball for that.
Is anyone going to compile what is what? 
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You're free to give it a try, but honestly everything is so obvious I wouldn't see the point in doing it.
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typo where note 51 is supposed to be, 41 is there instead of 51
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Wait, Afghanistan is Afghanistan? You bastard!
Super-awesome map though, will give full thoughts later.
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If they wanted to be switched with someone, they shouldn't have put their country smack-dab in the middle of Eurasia.
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Fair enough.
Ambitious and well-executed idea! Although I have to admit several of the parallels elude me; 25, for example. What kind of colony does the UK have in SE Asia at the moment? And 50 as well, since I don't know what African power sees itself as the successor of the French Empire.
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Twenty-five is one of those headscratchers I put in to confuse people on purpose. Fifty is an oblique reference to the Central African Empire.
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Scattered to the four winds.
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The Australia analogue as "one of the most violent and fractious areas on Earth?" That's an... original perspective.
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