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We've seen our fair share of worlds where the Axis managed to be victorious on Earth, so this is certainly a refreshing change. According to their records, World War II began in 1938, when the Munich Agreement broke down and the British, French, Poles, and Italians all came to the defense of the Czechs. They really tore Germany a new one, to make sure that the Germans never become powerful enough to fight a world war again. There was a separate war against Japan and the Soviet Union in the 1940s, those wars dragging in the US.
It looks like the rivalries of 1776 have returned, because the British and the Americans are at each others' throats. From what we could tell from both sides' propaganda, the split began with differences over what to do with the former Soviet Union and the progress of decolonialism in Asia. It seems that the Americans were backing Uncle Ho in Vietnam against the Anglo-French Vietnamese kingdom, and the Americans were arming the Algerians. Things are pretty tense between the two blocs, but there's less ideological rivalry between them.
Domestically, things are a bit different. The United States is definitely further left than ours, with some self-proclaimed socialists getting far in the Democratic Party. The Indians are governed by socialists, but they're still democratic and there's a sizable center-right opposition. The Chinese, on the other hand, they'd fit right in on our People's Republic, if they changed some rhetoric and the flags.
On the other end, the British are more conservative, and Labour hasn't been the majority since the 60s. The British are proud of their empire, I mean scary proud. They've lost a good bit of it, and they're clearly desperate to hold onto the bits they have left. The French are even worse about it, and that seems to be bleeding into their attempt to keep total control of the European Union. That's led to some friction with the British, but the British are clearly the top dogs. The Intermarum is a corrupt mess, and some parts of it are threatening to break away, but the British would never let that happen. As for the Tsardom of Russia, let's just say they resemble the Soviets more than they'd like to admit.
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mikusingularity [2022-02-27 03:23:29 +0000 UTC]
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Politburo1950 [2017-12-30 20:43:42 +0000 UTC]
Im sorry, I just read that all those states only lost their dominion status in 1953 (after the Pod). So its plausible that the UK held on them with iron grip in this TL.
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Politburo1950 [2017-12-30 20:31:54 +0000 UTC]
Why are South Africa, Canada , Australia, New Zealand and New Guinea Dominions of the UK again? Were they re-anext into the Empire or slowly Integrated? And why did the British give up their colonies and anex independent states after that?
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Whiteshore1 [2016-08-04 12:05:54 +0000 UTC]
Was Japan proclaimed a Republic post-war or is it a constitutional monarchy?
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InfernoMole [2016-03-18 20:10:10 +0000 UTC]
I would like to see one of those "Caucasian ethnic tensions" charts. What is the current ethnic alliance system in Caucasian Union?
Germany looks downright horrific. Something out of "Germany must perish!".
I bet Slovaks hate the Czechs for the over-glorification of their resistance right now.
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RvBOMally In reply to InfernoMole [2016-03-18 23:11:24 +0000 UTC]
It shifts all the time, but right now the Georgians are the big bad guy everyone hates.
The German borders are based on the "Germany must perish" ideas.
Czech resistance is short for Czechoslovakian resistance. I didn't want to take up too much space on the text.
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Void-Wolf [2016-03-17 17:01:30 +0000 UTC]
How left are the United States here? I imagine at least Canada level but I'm not sure if Scandinavia levels.
I'm wondering how things with Iran considering how everything went down in OTL (the constitutional monarchy replaced by a republic before a UK and Us coup put the Shah back in power because the UK didn't wanna lose the oil here)
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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-03-18 04:24:19 +0000 UTC]
Canada pre-Trudeau. Iran is under a Mossadegh-esque government.
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-05-27 03:24:12 +0000 UTC]
Wait, which Trudeau do you mean? Pierre or Justin?
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-03-18 12:38:31 +0000 UTC]
Okay yeah, I figured with Iran. He was the one who went to nationalizing with oil and using it to help the nation grow and so on, becoming a secular republic.
Of course, in OTL, US says no until Eisenhower comes in and here's the inaccurate threat of communism and we have the coup to retain oil, hence why we ousted him and put the autocratic Shah. I guess here the UK did it by themselves and the US used the OSS to counter.
That's interesting with the US though I figured they'd be a bit more left than that. Or do they have a more conservative leader that's not liked right now.
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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-03-18 23:13:43 +0000 UTC]
By "left," I mean the United States is more economically left-wing and supportive of left-wing movements around the world, and this is compared to the OTL US.
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-03-18 23:21:53 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for clarifying that! This map has always intrigued me becasue of how it seems to become a map of the old world and the new world.
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grisador [2015-07-15 19:05:18 +0000 UTC]
There is still a risk of go to WWIII ?! So the powers are not changed at all ?
Thought the Japan's regretting is hopefull; why britain & usa want this much power after A World war ?!
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RvBOMally In reply to grisador [2015-07-15 20:11:14 +0000 UTC]
The powers have changed, obviously, but there is still a risk of WWIII.
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grisador In reply to RvBOMally [2015-07-17 12:15:57 +0000 UTC]
Very Stupidly & Sadly indeed ! :\
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SRegan [2014-11-19 20:10:43 +0000 UTC]
Very nice. Sensing a 'Deutschland Muss Sterben!' influence in Germany, especially the French annexations. Interesting to see Italy on the Allied side, though I notice they've lost some ground to Yugoslavia, unless the POD is pre-1919.
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RvBOMally In reply to SRegan [2014-11-19 20:41:57 +0000 UTC]
Thanks. Yeah, I went with what a Nazi in an Axis victory world would think is the worst thing that could happen to Germany, and dismembering it seemed to be it.
As for Italy's territory vis-a-vis Yugoslavia, that was a mistake on my part. I was using an old basemap for the borders.
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Jeckl [2014-10-24 08:43:28 +0000 UTC]
Nice, reminds me of "Grasshoper Lies Heavy" did it provide any inspiration?
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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-25 17:36:18 +0000 UTC]
The Grasshopper Lies Heavy is the primary inspiration for this.
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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-26 21:37:53 +0000 UTC]
Very good adaptation/re-imaging/what ever the correct term is, then, it is a lot nicer then the original (and more realistic then my/Royals' version)
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AHPLUSEVERYTHINHG [2014-10-01 19:45:29 +0000 UTC]
If the Russian Republic and Tsardom of Russia were to go to war who would win? How would their allies react?
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RvBOMally In reply to AHPLUSEVERYTHINHG [2014-10-01 19:56:15 +0000 UTC]
An atomic war would ensue. Nobody would really be the winner there.
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kyuzoaoi [2014-09-30 16:17:04 +0000 UTC]
Is there any TL where Switzerland is dragged to either world wars? This is suspiciously becoming a trend.
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RvBOMally In reply to kyuzoaoi [2014-09-30 16:44:33 +0000 UTC]
Swiss neutrality is an AH cliche, and one that makes a lot of sense post-Napoleon. I tend to use because I personally like Switzerland and so I don't want to drag them into global conflicts.
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mdc01957 [2014-09-30 15:53:59 +0000 UTC]
At least some things haven't changed. Oh Japan and Switzerland...
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RvBOMally In reply to mdc01957 [2014-09-30 16:47:45 +0000 UTC]
Japan isn't a Chinese client state IOTL.
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Void-Wolf [2014-09-30 04:46:53 +0000 UTC]
So its the Old World and their dominons against the New World and their allies... Down with the old infrastructure! Although this is certainly a mess and I can't imagine the British holding together much longer. Probably collasped harder than the Soviets, but never underestimate desperation... or American ingenuity. But man, how did things get so bitter so fast?
Another good map. US seems to be a fine place and we're buddies with China and Japan. Right on. Also, yes for Argentina. They are the EXPERTS of steak. Very VERY delicious.
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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2014-09-30 22:44:36 +0000 UTC]
The British will likely "lose" this cold war, but not collapse like the USSR. Instead, there's just a steady decrease in British power and an increase in AFD power.
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Xanthoc [2014-09-30 02:17:15 +0000 UTC]
I'm actually surprised the French aren't in the 'Alliance for Democracy', what with their victory, more than likely subsequent economic and cultural boom, and rivalry with the British.
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RvBOMally In reply to Xanthoc [2014-09-30 22:42:26 +0000 UTC]
The French needed British help in keeping the Germans down post-WWII, and the Americans were more concerned with the Pacific and the former USSR.
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Tuskin38 [2014-09-30 00:32:14 +0000 UTC]
"Forced to Withdraw their Nuclear Weapons in the 1960s"
Newfoundland Missile Crisis? lol
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PersephoneEosopoulou [2014-09-30 00:18:51 +0000 UTC]
How long did the fight against Hitler last in this tl seeing how the West jumped on them when it should have and they had less time to build Panzers and such ?
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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2014-09-30 00:19:29 +0000 UTC]
It lasted about two years.
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TLhikan [2014-09-29 22:51:56 +0000 UTC]
So, is the war against Germany called WW2, or the one against the Soviets/Japanese (or are they both lumped together)?
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RvBOMally In reply to TLhikan [2014-09-29 23:13:56 +0000 UTC]
They call it the Sudetenland War, the Soviet War and the Pacific War, respectively.
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TLhikan In reply to RvBOMally [2014-09-30 01:31:52 +0000 UTC]
Ah, so WWwhatever is Persephone's nomenclature?
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HufflepuffBadger1978 [2014-09-29 22:46:53 +0000 UTC]
I am guessing Germany is no longer a country?
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RvBOMally In reply to HufflepuffBadger1978 [2014-09-29 23:12:19 +0000 UTC]
Yes, just like it was for most of history.
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HufflepuffBadger1978 In reply to RvBOMally [2014-09-29 23:23:52 +0000 UTC]
So is referring to one's self as a German in former Germany a rebellious act?
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RvBOMally In reply to HufflepuffBadger1978 [2014-09-29 23:42:53 +0000 UTC]
Not really, but since regional identities are being promoted by the EU, it would give one very strange looks. Saying that Germany should be reunified, on the other hand, is rebellious.
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MrTumulus [2014-09-29 22:20:31 +0000 UTC]
Does Britain still keep Africa as colonies or as puppets?
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subspaceteatime [2014-09-29 18:31:33 +0000 UTC]
At last, an rvbomally scenario where the world isn't a utopia but the US is a nice place.
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RvBOMally In reply to subspaceteatime [2014-09-29 23:13:33 +0000 UTC]
Hey, Pax America counts!
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RvBOMally In reply to Darne93 [2014-09-29 23:12:39 +0000 UTC]
Well, South Korean leaders IOTL weren't very democratic until recently.
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