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!!! POTENTIAL FLAMEBAIT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. !!!

A scenario where Gautama Buddha becomes the great king he was prophesized to be had he not encountered any suffering (ITTL, he learns of suffering through books beforehand and seeing it in practice doesn’t really faze him), and Jesus succumbs to Satan’s third temptation on the mountain.

DISCLAIMER: I understand that this scenario is impossible under the teachings of just about every religion or lack thereof. This isn’t meant to be a serious what-if involving accurate portrayals of religious figures. It’s a silly map. Please don't post comments about religion. If I see any of them, I will turn off commenting. 

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It is the year 1894 since the Birth of the God-Emperor of Rome. The Heaven War is nearly entering its two thousandth year. Neither the Imperium of Rome nor the domains of the Great Siddhartha seem exhausted enough to surrender to their enemy. Countless billions have perished in the eternal battlefields of Eurasia. To forsake these souls, to throw their sacrifice away, would be the greatest sacrilege. And both sides believe that final victory is not only possible, but inevitable. After all, do they not have God on their side? 

The Empire of Siddhartha is the older of the two, by about 500 years. Born into the Shakya clan, the great warrior-emperor Siddhartha united the territories around him and forged a powerful empire in northern India. While he was a strategic genius, Siddhartha was also aided by displays of supernatural power, such as driving horses and elephants of the opposing armies mad merely by staring at them, taking command of otherwise anarchic spirits and using them in his armies, and, in one infamous case, crushing an enemy king and his entire family beneath hundreds of pounds of flower petals. Siddhartha had an explanation for all of this: he was the ninth avatar of Vishnu. Any Hindu theologians and scholars who opposed the claim were either killed for their heresy by Siddhartha’s agents or spontaneously combusted while preaching to the masses. 

Any question of Siddhartha’s otherworldly abilities dissapated as his rule extended from decades to centuries. While he did age, the ravages of time did not affect the great warlord like it did his subjects. Siddhartha was still fit enough to challenge the armies of Alexander the Great on the field of battle and drive him back into Persia, even though the Greek warrior had supernatural assistance of his own. Two hundred years after his ascension, Siddhartha had united the entire Indian subcontinent, and many throughout the eastern world worshiped him as a god. 

While he was a warrior and an emperor, Siddhartha also fancied himself a philosopher of sorts. In his many years of rule, he had ample opportunity to think about the world. More pragmatically, Siddhartha saw the value in a unifying ideology, and realized that unless he was to take a more active hand in its development, the various religions arising around his persona could turn against him. To this end, he developed the Teachings of the Great Siddhartha, also known as Siddharthanism. Siddharthanism taught that, while the gods do exist, they are a force of nature like anything else, and can therefore be manipulated. Any man who reaches enlightenment becomes a master not only of the metaphysical, but also of the physical. Naturally, Siddhartha himself had reached ultimate enlightenment, giving him divine powers, and that he was the only individual who can reach ultimate enlightenment. Being the physical embodiment of [INSERT LOCAL POPULAR DEITY HERE] helps. However, the secrets of enlightenment were available to all who would devote themselves enough to self-sacrifice, meaning of course sacrifice to further Siddhartha and his empire. Those devoted enough to give their entire lives to the pursuit of enlightenment found themselves having some limited supernatural abilities, making them capable warriors and missionaries. The Siddharthans, naturally, have a holy mission to convert everyone on Earth to worshiping Siddhartha, so that all of mankind may be enlightened and reach a higher level of consicousness above the material. 

Four hundred years after ruling his empire directly, Siddhartha retreated to the Himalayas in a quest to understand not only this world, but “all the other worlds.” Telling his closest aides that his brief psychic excursion beyond the confines of this world gave him glimpses of “horror beyond horror,” Siddhartha devoted his personal efforts to ensuring that the world does not succumb to such horrifying malevolence. He left governance of his empire to his most trusted subordinates, and it is his subordinates that rule to this day. Throughout the centuries, the Siddharthan Empire expanded voraciously, creating legions of converts whereever they did not outright conquer. The Turkish steppe nomads and the Chimu of the Furthest East ethusiastically adopted Siddharthanism, although with their own local flavor (believing that Siddhartha is an avatar of Tengri/their past emperors, or the other way around). 

On the other side of the world, the Empire of Rome arose sometime after the collapse of Alexander’s empire. In their conquest of the Mediterranean, the Romans took control of Judea, the province where their eternal emperor would be born. As the son of a carpenter and an apocalyptic Jewish preacher, Jesus did not seem any more relevant than the multitude of other apocalyptic Jewish preachers. According to the Romans, what separated Jesus from the others is his divine origins and his decision to forge a deal with The Deceiver. The Deceiver promised Jesus all of the kingdoms of the world, if only he, the son of God, would bow. Jesus, knowing of his father’s plan to sacrifice him for the sake of the ungrateful humans, agreed, for the meanwhile. 

This agreement worked: when Jesus was crucified after the Romans arrested him for attempted insurrection, he rose from the dead to lead the rebellion anew. Try as they might, the Romans could not strike him down in battle, and many legions turned to worshiping him after defeat. Great displays of supernatural might, such as burning his enemies with sunlight as the symbol of his name blazed on its surface, helped change minds very quickly. With his growing army, Jesus marched on Rome and took the great city, proclaiming himself Emperor of Rome, Sol Invictus, Incarnation of Jupiter, Usurper of Yaweh, and other titles, adding more as his empire grew. 

Like his rival to the east, Jesus’ clear supernatural abilities won him many followers. Unlike Siddhartha, Jesus was far less tolerant of belief in other gods, and preferred instead to prove his divinity and power over “false gods” either through personal appearance or “miracles” that his missionaries could perform. On the other hand, Jesus encouraged the practice of “Romanizing” local beliefs, placing himself in place of traditional deities and assuming their identities. The Vesperian Despotate, originally a Norse colony, still worships Jesus as the Allfather, the most powerful member of their pantheon, and the Khwesao worship him as the Great Ancestor of Man, the one human from whom all other humans are descended. 

The Roman Imperium’s official religion venerates Jesus as the Son of Man, the liberator of humankind from Yaweh, the abusive creator god and Jesus’ father. Through a Faustian pact, Jesus broke mankind away from Yaweh’s influence and has taken his rightful place as ruler of all mankind. All humans have a duty to obey Jesus and expand his empire’s domains to cover the entire planet, so that humankind can enter an era of peace and progress. Peace, Jesus teaches, can only be reached through power. 

The Deceiver, or Satan, was originally venerated in Rome, but was later denounced by Jesus, who added “Conqueror of the Deceiver” to his list of titles. This had very negative consequences for Jesus: an avatar of the Deceiver appeared to take away his power, and while Jesus successfully defeated the Deceiver and took control of his forces in the material universe, Jesus was mortally wounded. In a state of near-death, Jesus was interred in a magically-infused sarcophagous to preserve him from death, allowing him to bind the Deceiver’s demons to Roman command. Jesus is still Emperor of Rome, but the day-to-day rule of the Roman Empire fell to the Senate. 

The Holy Roman Imperium and the Siddharthan Empire first clashed in Persia in the early 300s, when the Imperium tried to destroy the heretical Zoroastrians once and for all. The Heaven War, as it was called, continues well into the 19th century. While there have been significant lulls in the fighting, peace has never been officially declared. Technological innovations never gave one side such a great advantage that they could defeat the other, leading to a millennia-long stalemate in Central Asia and Persia. Elsewhere in the world, wherever the Roman and Siddharthan empires touch, an eternal battlefield arises. 

But there are countries outside the orbit of either theocracy. In the far east, the Chinese and Yamato have resisted all attempts by the Siddharthans to subjugate them. The Chinese have historically credited this to the power of their ancestors, although the current atheistic government attributes this to a more psychological “national spirit of autonomy and independence” and a greater population. The modern Chinese deny the existence of gods, believing the demons they face on the battlefield are merely extraterrestrial beings somehow under the employ of their enemies, and that the miracles of Siddhartha and Jesus are myths fabricated by both empires to better control their population. The Yamato, on the other hand, are very religious, and believe that the kami which protect their domains are responsible for their continued independence. On the other side of the world, the Mexica have successfully resisted repeated Roman attempts to subjugate them through the use of blood magic. Called Servants of the Deceiver by their Roman enemies, the Mexica do make heavy use of human sacrifice, and some of the creatures serving in their armies are even more alien than the demon legions of Rome. These neutral powers want little to do with the Heaven War, although as the two superpowers decay, the neutrals’ ambitions rise. The Heaven War may soon have a third, independent faction joining the fray.

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Comments: 60

AvatarofAsura [2022-10-02 20:18:35 +0000 UTC]

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Vexilogic [2022-03-19 20:19:45 +0000 UTC]

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HorsesPlease [2019-06-02 20:18:48 +0000 UTC]

That looks Warhammer 40k-ish.

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CaptainPortugal [2018-07-09 02:43:58 +0000 UTC]

Little blue and green rock ? What are you talking about ?
Anyway, congratulations to both of you. I am a huge fan and admirer, of both.

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wilji1070 [2017-09-23 12:00:41 +0000 UTC]

I get a sort of Seekers of the Sky vibe from this map!

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Meerkat92 [2016-10-13 02:19:28 +0000 UTC]

FASCINATING! I'm always a fan of alien-yet-familiar religions. I wonder what the Deceiver thinks of all this.

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RvBOMally In reply to Meerkat92 [2016-10-13 07:32:59 +0000 UTC]

Planning on wrecking shit.

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grisador [2015-10-23 18:50:48 +0000 UTC]

Nice !

But how the Mexican empire still exist ?
Didn't it should be something like Mejico, Aztec or a very long name ?

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RvBOMally In reply to grisador [2015-10-23 19:30:33 +0000 UTC]

Convergent naming. Hey, it's more likely than Devil Jesus.

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grisador In reply to RvBOMally [2015-10-25 21:02:23 +0000 UTC]

A devil Jesus ?! Seems like a very 'lively' universe to live...

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Whiteshore1 [2015-09-05 14:10:45 +0000 UTC]

Do the leadership of Rome and India believe their non-sense?

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RvBOMally In reply to Whiteshore1 [2015-09-05 14:39:31 +0000 UTC]

Yes.

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Whiteshore1 In reply to RvBOMally [2015-12-05 12:34:12 +0000 UTC]

How did Mohism fare in this world? Did they still die out or are they still a major school of philosophy in China?

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RvBOMally In reply to Whiteshore1 [2015-12-05 17:31:43 +0000 UTC]

I think they're just a minor school.

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Whiteshore1 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-01-01 09:43:36 +0000 UTC]

Did some Chinese emperor try to summon the Taoist gods to Earth but failed?

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RvBOMally In reply to Whiteshore1 [2016-01-01 14:35:45 +0000 UTC]

No.

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Eheucaius17 [2015-08-13 15:19:11 +0000 UTC]

So what happened when a certain Arab holy man claiming that both Jesus and Siddhartha are full of it tries to make a new monotheistic religion of his own? My guess, nothing good?

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RvBOMally In reply to Eheucaius17 [2015-08-13 19:11:35 +0000 UTC]

He never existed in this timeline. 

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tfalthist In reply to RvBOMally [2022-11-02 04:00:46 +0000 UTC]

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epileptictrees [2014-09-08 06:28:19 +0000 UTC]

The Third Faction is most likely the Aztecs with that powerful blood magic and perhaps Quetzalcoatl returning to rule as Emperor. Atheist China would be easily crushed in a world where gods exist (if they didn't become Buddhists like OTL) while the Yamato are hopelessly outnumbered. And with 3 superstates dominating the world in a perpetual war, let's say "The Holy Roman Imperium has always been at war with Buddhists/Aztecs and the Buddhists/Aztecs have always been our ally"

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RvBOMally In reply to epileptictrees [2014-09-10 03:15:55 +0000 UTC]

The Aztecs will likely be the third great power, yes. 

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epileptictrees [2014-09-04 07:28:44 +0000 UTC]

Were the Incas butterflied away and replaced by the non-solarian Chimu?

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RvBOMally In reply to epileptictrees [2014-09-04 14:20:54 +0000 UTC]

Yes.

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Darne93 [2014-08-04 10:10:01 +0000 UTC]

Ha, it reminds me a world from one Polish book series. Unfortunately, I can't find anything in English about that...

esensja.stopklatka.pl/obrazki/…

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RvBOMally In reply to Darne93 [2014-08-04 14:02:01 +0000 UTC]

That is one badass Jesus. 

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paikal26626 [2014-07-05 11:14:07 +0000 UTC]

I don't know you but..................more I read the text of this map and more I recall about the games of 40.000 Warhammer, I mean a God Emperor confine in his throne-sarcophagous, the evocation of "demons" on the battlefield, a never ending war, taking commands of the spirits. Doesn't ring a bell to you too? 

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RvBOMally In reply to paikal26626 [2014-07-05 13:03:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I consciously took influence from Warhammer 40K when writing this. It's one of my favorite settings of all time.

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Beastboss [2014-04-23 05:42:41 +0000 UTC]

When I read this part of the bible I always wondered what it would be like if Jesus took up Satan's deal 
Glad he didn't though

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RvBOMally In reply to Beastboss [2014-04-23 13:13:38 +0000 UTC]

Whether or not Jesus could make that choice is a matter of interesting theological debate....

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Beastboss In reply to RvBOMally [2014-04-23 22:21:19 +0000 UTC]

It is also completely unknown of what a full contract between the devil and him would have ie if there was a limit to his rule, much of it makes for some thought provoking speculation

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Castorem In reply to Beastboss [2015-10-25 21:44:27 +0000 UTC]

lol...

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GigoXXIII [2013-12-04 00:38:59 +0000 UTC]

Wow this is cool and dystopian, very original as well . I love it although I would not wan't to live in it

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RvBOMally In reply to GigoXXIII [2013-12-04 01:46:52 +0000 UTC]

I'll take that as a mission accomplished.

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Gouachevalier [2013-11-01 18:28:56 +0000 UTC]

I don't suppose Quetzalcoatl actually returned, did he...?

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RvBOMally In reply to Gouachevalier [2013-11-01 19:12:51 +0000 UTC]

TTL's Mexica are not OTL's, so Quetzalocatl himself hasn't returned. Now, a theopotent entity similar to but legally distinct from Quetzalocatl....

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mdc01957 [2013-11-01 07:52:47 +0000 UTC]

From the title, I half-expected Kane to show up.

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RvBOMally In reply to mdc01957 [2013-11-01 13:39:15 +0000 UTC]

He almost did. 

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mdc01957 In reply to RvBOMally [2013-11-01 14:02:09 +0000 UTC]

Close enough.


Still, nice work as ever!

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Mattystereo [2013-10-30 16:09:26 +0000 UTC]

I'm guessing that Yahweh is waiting for the abominations to cleanse that world so that he can pick up the pieces that this son helped smash the world into.

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RvBOMally In reply to Mattystereo [2013-10-30 19:09:01 +0000 UTC]

Not exactly. He's too busy keeping them from eating the entire universe to fix things at the moment. 

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Rajalyoko23 [2013-10-30 10:49:42 +0000 UTC]

I don't know what to say to this. 


Wouldn't Jesus be more "Tolerant" to other peoples since he teaches brotherly love or something? 

And also, KING BUDDHAAAA

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RvBOMally In reply to Rajalyoko23 [2013-10-30 13:14:30 +0000 UTC]

The teachings of these versions of Jesus and Buddha aren't those we are familiar with, and often are the exact opposite of what they actually taught. 

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FieldMarshalPatton [2013-10-28 07:00:23 +0000 UTC]

What's the tech level? 

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RvBOMally In reply to FieldMarshalPatton [2013-10-28 12:50:43 +0000 UTC]

The non-magical tech level is OTL interwar: Central Asia is a network of trenches, artillery batteries, machine gun nests and barbed wire, with the occasional armored offensive making things interesting. Some strangetech here and there: the Romans have artillery shells filled with demonic runes that cause quite a bit of trouble when they land in an enemy trench. 

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TomBombardier [2013-10-27 20:10:30 +0000 UTC]

The Imperium capital is not in Jerusalem then?

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RvBOMally In reply to TomBombardier [2013-10-27 20:14:57 +0000 UTC]

No, because modern Roman theology considers it a city of Yaweh, the Abandoning Father. For more practical purposes, Jesus wanted to take control of the existing Roman system, and Romans being Romans would be less tolerant of being ruled from a foreign city, even if the ruler was definitively divine. 


For my purposes as the author, I didn't want the Imperial capital to be so close to the Persian frontier. 

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TomBombardier In reply to RvBOMally [2013-10-28 08:06:51 +0000 UTC]

Apparently the Romans considered the Caanite, Phoenician, and Hebrew chief deities to be Cronus. Might be able to tie that in.

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RvBOMally In reply to TomBombardier [2013-10-28 12:50:16 +0000 UTC]

Interesting! It also works perfectly: the mythology of Zeus overthrowing Cronus fits right into TTL's Christianity. 

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Auwinhawk [2013-10-27 04:37:33 +0000 UTC]

It a good map even with the religious stuff good job it made me think thank you for that

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RvBOMally In reply to Auwinhawk [2013-10-27 04:54:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

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