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Early submission? Huh. You'll probably still get another page on the weekend. I just had some extra time on sunday so I finished most of the page then.
Carm's too proud to say it out loud
Art (C) *Sariels-Hope
SC (C) Sony; Sucker Punch; Sanzaru
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I love Sly's expression in the last panel..
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Love this. This should have been in the game.
Poor Carmelita... Still too proud to say what she's feeling even when she's being vulnerable. Does she think that Sly loves stealing more than he loves her?
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So far, you're doing a great job at trying to work within the framework of the actual game's lousy story & characterizations.
This is why I always assumed that Sly 4 would open with Sly being RELUCTANTLY dragged back into stealing because La Paradox threw him into a life-or-death situation. And that Carmelita would help him do what he needed to save his life while also being upset that she's forced to just allow him to steal that sword he needs at the beginning of the story.
I so wish I had been right about that. Because the way the actual game characterized him makes him look like a childish, selfish douche and takes some of the emotional impact away from the sacrifice he made just for a CHANCE to be with her at the end of Sly 3.
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Thanks.
He didn't have to steal that sword. Nor anything in order for them to get the Time Machine to work. Because you wanna know where everything they needed was according to the (flawed) laws of their time machine? This Cooper Vault. You know... that thing Bentley rebuilt with Penelope. That thing that has treasure obtained by each of Sly's ancestors including THEIR OWN CANES, CLOTHES, WEAPONS AND A PORTRAIT OF THEM......... just a thought.
Yyyyyyyyyup.
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He didn't have to steal that sword. Nor anything in order for them to get the Time Machine to work. Because you wanna know where everything they needed was according to the (flawed) laws of their time machine? This Cooper Vault.
Wow. Good point. I can't believe I didn't think of that! O_o
However, if I were writing Sly 4, I'd wave off that plothole by saying that La Paradox's meddling made Rioichi's stuff disappear from the vault along with his entry in the Thievius Racoonis. That would be my excuse for the sword stealing. XD
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There are so many plot holes in this game it isn't even funny. Aside from the destruction of the female characters, the shitty writing is probably what pissed me off the most. It was just so lazy.
Perhaps. But they never bring that up ever. I don't think they even mention the Vault in TiT. Regarding le Paradox, tho, the biggest plothole that annoys me is that of all the Cooper ancestors he could have gone after, why didn't he go after the one he actually blamed for his situations: Sly's dad.
And then there's his plan to forge documents to instate himself as royalty. Erm... Even if he did that and showed it NOTHING WOULD CHANGE because the age we currently live in is largely run by the people. Royal families have very little control or ay in anything in politics nowadays. They do nothing. It's pointless and stupid and (logically, but not according to TiT) gives him no power.
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Oh, I agree. The Penelope plot canyon is the most heinous one from a character perspective (mainly because of the shameful way it discards her without a proper build up and/or explanation).
....it's also heinous because of the way it plays off domestic violence as being funny as long as the dude is a dorky cripple and the girl is a bitch. But that's a rant for another day....
*ahem* anyhoo, this game was just rife with plotholes that could have been easily fixed if the writers had just focused on telling a good story about meeting badass Coopers through the ages. But instead, they just crammed in "OMG!SHOCKING!TWISTS", badly developed romantic conflicts, and furry boobs because that's what they thought we wanted. >_<
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Perhaps. But they never bring that up ever. I don't think they even mention the Vault in TiT.
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Now that you bring it up, I'm pretty sure the vault was never mentioned. Which is a shame because having Sly navigate the vault again to get the artifacts he needed would have been the PERFECT way to re-introduce the player to the way the controls work! And it would have been an easy way for the writers to lay out lots of exposition in the tutorial level
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Erm... Even if he did that and showed it NOTHING WOULD CHANGE because the age we currently live in is largely run by the people.
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I know right! Most functional countries that still have monarchies basically use them as diplomats and/or tabloid fuel. And the only perk to being born into royalty is living in a swanky palace and having a title. At best, La Paradox might gain a nifty castle and some crown jewels if his document plan succeeded. But he was already wealthy and well respected because of his successful art dealer career so....what's the point?
Honestly, La Paradox was just a shitty villain overall. His reasoning for hating the Coopers was weak. And I cannot understand why any of his subordinates aside from Decibel followed him! He wasn't powerful like Clerkwerk. He wasn't attractive or charming like Neyla. And, unlike Doctor M, he wasn't PERSONALLY screwed by Sly's Dad (it's not Daddy-Cooper's fault that Daddy-Paradox was a crappy thief). So why on earth would Penelope choose to work UNDER him when she was the one who held the time machine and the knowledge of how it worked!?
.....also, this is a bit off-topic. But I recently tried doing my own "dramatic" Sly comic and I'm curious to know what you think of it. ^_^;
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So so SO sorry for my horribly late response DX
I think you've already ranted about that a couple of times
I don't think that was what they thought we wanted. I think that's what they wanted to see. If you examine the previous games and what the fans love of them... a lot of that was missing from this game. I know it's a different development team, but if you work hard enough you CAN emulate something faithfully. They didn't try. They didn't try in a lot of areas.
It would have been a better tutorial level than running around in the dark where you could barely see. And having Sly bugger up and go "Woopsie, guess I'm rusty." In some parts (like during the Rioichi rescue) I SAW that trap coming. I was looking around for a way to avoid it, but know, you have to step on the panel and trigger the trap. That's bad game design in my opinion. I also hate when the character is dumb as rocks and can't see the bleeding obvious (I had the same issue with Infamous 2, but even though the plot drove me NUTS, I was willing to forgive a lot of it because the GAME was fun and you could choose how to advance).
There was no point. Aside from Sanzaru not thinking this through like pretty much everything story and character related in the game.
In the case of El Jefe, since he was a Mercenary he was likely paid (but I hated him the most of any villain in the entire series. Like I said, I hate rock-stupid characters, but I hate them even more when they are SUPPOSED TO BE INTELLIGENT). It's also not Daddy-Cooper's fault that Le Paradox himself was a shit thief and got arrested. Sly says "Le Paradox never got his thieving education" but I call bullshit on that because neither did SLY and he did fine even without the Thievious Raccoonus in the first game. All his "education" got him was making it a bit easier. He was already successful.
I saw that comic and fav'ed it. It makes sense and explains why Sly was the one flying the plane. The dialogue is also good and in-character.
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Don't feel bad. Real life must come first.
I think we're both right about Sanzaru's reasons for doing what they did.
Personally, I see Sanzaru the same way I see bad fanfic writers and Rule 34 fan-artists. Most bad fanfic writers and pervy artists undoubtedly LOVE the series. But loving the series doesn't make them capable of understanding WHY it works. And it certainly doesn't make them qualified to work on a legitimate sequel!
I listened to an interview with some Sanzaru guys (Sly's VA has a podcast and invited them on). And they seemed to think their changes made the game more "mature" and "grown up". This greatly annoyed me because:
a) it implies that the original games were "childish" simply because they didn't indulge in crass humor or overt sexualization of the female characters
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b) it implies that crass humor and character designs that objectify the females are a sign of "maturity" when it's actually the exact OPPOSITE.
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Ahhh. So we finally see the truth behind Carmelita's blind anger--her broken heart. And to be fair, it's not without justification. After all the times she'd started to open up to him in some way, he took advantage of the situation as a thief--cuffing her to the railing of the Krack-Karov Volcano, using her for a distraction in India, escaping the helicopter after the fall of Clock-La...to name a few--she probably saw this as the last straw. For him to have been lying about his amnesia all along, then embarking on another heist without so much as the courtesy of TALKING to her beforehand...yeah. She probably saw it as proof that Sly was just toying with her affections all along, and would never truly care about her.
Yeah...I know I like to lean hard on Carmelita for the way she acted in Thieves in Time, but considering that she's ALWAYS had a hot temper...and that Sly had REALIZED that he'd been a coward towards Carmelita during the endgame of Sly 3...well...our resident master thief REALLY should have known better than to lie to her a second time. So he's as much to blame as Carmelita.
But now it looks like they're finally willing to talk to each other, face-to-face...and in Sly's case, own up to their mistakes. And thus do I feel hope.
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It's a lot of things (in my story). She's overwhelmed. She's angry at Sly for lying to her and betraying her trust; she's angry at herself for being hurt and allowing herself to be vulnerable. And now she's stuck in pre-history with the possibility of never returning home.
If I had been Carmelita, there would have been NO CHANCE after that bullshit with the volcano. That thing was active and erupting. I mean cripes Sly you even took the key with you! DX
I hope you continue to enjoy
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