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CIS: Perhaps the largest droid army ever assembled, the army of the CIS (which stands for Confederacy of Independent Systems) outnumbered the clone soldiers of the Republic 100 to 1. The CIS put fear in the hearts of countless citizens of the Republic, as few could stand before it for long before being mowed down by blaster fire. Hearts of steel, skin of iron, oil and electricity in their veins, the CIS march every onward.Orks: Also known as the green-skins; this crude, barbaric and war-loving race is vast in size and simple in it's desires. All any Ork wants to do is fight. And fight. AND FIGHT! Blastin' and Bombin' and Shootin' away as they crump the offa races beneath their mighty boot. Heck, Orks enjoying killing other Orks as much as they do anyone else. Any fight is a good fight in an Orks eyes.
Now the mechanical army shall take on pure Ork-y enthusiasm. Can steel and bolts beat organic green muscle? How will the Orks contend with CIS tactic bots? How will the tactic bots contend with Ork creativity? Oil and blood are gonna start running soon, so before the battle kicks answer me this...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
*(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)
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Yes they do but they droids have to contend with the fact that orks are very durable creatures, they come in larger hordes than what the cis ever fielded, they have trukks and bikes carrying large amounts of them fairly quickly(and theres going to be a lot of those), gargants and stompas, orks do have guns (they aren't super accurate but they can use them), not to mention the waaagh field. The orks just have too many numbers larger and more powerful vehicles a psychic field that operates on the combined faith of the orks and the moment all of those factors get them across the gap between them and the droids well it's time to let the choppas do the rest of the work
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Ah. I see now.
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ORKZ are immune to lasers because of their extra padding,and if you think about it blasters aren't even strong enough to be actual lasers,they have to mine for the substance that supplies the ammunition similar to black powder.lasers are high focused light with lenses.
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An orc's armor may be immune to blaster bolts, but for how long? Also i'm pretty sure that armor wouldn't stand a chance against an AAT tank, a heilfire droid, or a spider walker.
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AAT tank:Looted
Hellfire droide:Looted
Spider walker:Looted
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I mean Da ork boyz can survive a fire from a hellgun which is basicly a laser machine gun (If the Kaskrin has a shitty aim and won't hit the head) I think boyz could survive some lasers from blasters + some armor.Β
Of course they won't survive hailfire droid, but they have machines of their own that could counter that.Β
AAT tank could be countered by normal Tankbustas, cuz lotza blasty!Β
and spider walk- *looks it up* what the hell is this!? You could topple it over with a stronger wind!Β
Ehm...apologies, but that is probably the easiest tank to destroy, either someone with Power Klaw will destroy it's legs or tankbustas will shoot it with rockets.Β
I mean seriously this tank is so big even Tankbustas would have 90% chance to hit it.Β
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where'd you get that theory anyways?
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wookipedia,they had a name for the substance,you have to reload a blaster,but for lasguns they can be recharged beside a campfire or any other heat source,plus lasguns make a long stream after firing a single burst,like a laser rifle from fallout,where as a blaster shoots a slow burning substance that grounds out after a fair amount of distance,so its not a laser,but instead a particle weapon that is kind of similar to slug throwing projectile weapons,but doesn't seem exactly as lethal,a lasgun gun can burn through space marine armor,the only reason it's hard to kill an ORK with it is because the lasgun has a focus mode,if its turned up high you can kill an ORK easier but it can drain the battery after a few shots and there are way to many ORKZ to kill,so you have to have low power for more shots.
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I give this to the CIS, they have trillions of droids at their disposal
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ORKZ are numberless,out numbering every other race there is,you cut their heads off a pain boy can sew it back on and send him back to battle,in fact the ORKZ were designed to eliminate necrons which are pretty much thousands of general greviouses.
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Technically Quintillions......
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Um, the rules of this vs. state that either side would have equal numbers. And I'm pretty sure that the Orks are still more numerous in a full-out war, because some figures show them having 50 Ork-infested worlds for every light year in the 40k galaxy, and Imperial probes have found that there are even Orks living beyondΒ the 40k galaxy.
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Yes but the CIS are far better at reinforcements than the Orks.Also superior technology and tactics.
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Oh God, you're not one of those mouthbreathing retards who thinks that Ork tech is actually as crude as it looks, are you? Oh wait, you're slayer1968.
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I know how Orks do their WAAAGH thing.
It's not as effective as you think.
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And why not? Because you seem like someone who's only familiar with 40k through fucking 4chan. Where do you get your information about it?
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For one their viechles may be much better than they would normaly be but that prooves little to stop the primitive IoM weapons.Doubt it would fare better against SW weaponry.
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"Primitive IoM weapons"
Are these the same primitive IoM weapons that tear open portals to alternate dimensions inhabited by murderous Gods? Those "primitive IoM weapons"?
Tell me where you get your info on 40k, please.
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Good god the WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaGH amazing.Β Quite literally if the orcs believe in something enough it will come true.
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I'm talking about the standard IG stuff.
Vortex weaponry is pretty rare.And even if they have it they need permission from Segmentum Command or a high ranking Inquisitor to use them.
Their Plasma guns are bombs waiting to explode.
Meltas are reliable but have short range and slow fire rate.
Lasguns are ok but lack the power of blasters.
Lascannons are good weapons but suffer from slow reload and fire rate (one shot is enough to deplete the power pack).They also aren't good weapons for large groups of infantry.
Autocannons are basicly modern day tank guns.Exept they have rapid fire capability.I see no problems exept for piercing of more advanced or just a lot more armour.
Battle Cannons are the tank guns of the modern Imperium.Nothing special.
Β Heavy Bolters are well heavy and have limited ammo.(the E-Web repeating blasters or blaster cannons can be connected to a small power generator for infinite ammo.
There's a lot of other stuff but they start to go into the 'rare' category which means they won't be used all that often.
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There are no rules of fair fights for the CIS, they always outnumber their enemies a 1,000 to 1, and the droids can use tanks, and artillery.
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1. That whole "fair fight" thing isn't something I just pulled out of my ass, that's literally how Scarecrow runs this stuff.
2. Assuming that this wasn't a fair fight (e.g. all of the CIS vs. all of the Orks), then I don't see how the CIS could possibly outnumber the Orks as they're spread out over an entire galaxy and they've even been known to live outside of it. They also reproduce faster, because if you kill an Ork it just releases spores and more grow. Broken droids are more difficult to replace. And even if not, their numerical advantage didn't help them against the Republic.
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They were shut down in the end and if that didn't happen then the Clone Wars could have raged for years.
It takes time for these spores to grow and there won't be much left of an ork when a few Blaster bolts hit it.
Honestly the CIS have everything they need to defeat the Orks with just infantry units.
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As the Gungans have proved, fighting old-school war against blasters never prevail
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The Gungans actually lost the battle, the only reason the CIS wasn't victorious was cause the droids were shut down
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That's what I meant xD
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ORKZ are very well immune to lasers I'm pretty sure they can fight stick figure droids with clumsy blasters,plus there are more ORKZ than there are droids,CIS runs on budget to supply the army,ORKZ run on spores which isn't costly when you have to sweat them out,and on top of all that ORKZ have a very impressive arsenal,even though a slugga is slapped together it can fire any ammo on the battlefield so no need for supply shipments that could cost millions.
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Old school?
www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Cβ¦
Who you callin' old school?
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I would give it to the ork boyz. Β They don't slow down for anything, including pain and crippling blows, to personally chop people into pieces. Β The CIS have no experience against an enemy like this. Β And a foe composed almost entirely composed of metal? Β The WAAGH! would be constantly sustaining itself with the scrap. Β We've seen plenty examples of CIS technology being re-purposed in the Star Wars galaxy. Β I can't imagine any mekboyz having difficulty.
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Well no-one will be hitting anyone anytime soon.
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I'd give this one to the Orks. While I'm sure that some of the rarer CIS droids could make this more of a fair fight, the average droid (the B1) would be ripped in half by the average Ork boy. In fact, I'd even go so far to say that Ork boys can match B2s one-on-one (while the Ork equivalent of a B2 would probably be a Nob). I'd also argue that they have better heroes, since Ghazghkull is big enough literally step on Grievous. Also, is Dooku in this fight?
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While he wasn't in the initial profile, there was talk of adding him later on. So yeah, you can go ahead and factor him in if you like.
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Well, he'd certainly do a better job of commanding the droids than tactical droids (I was never really too impressed with them IMHO). One of the potential problems he would face is just how vastly different the Orks act than the Republic (or any Star Wars army, really). Trying to predict their actions would be difficult for him in much that same way that Imotekh the Stormlord is frustrated with them; they're completely and utterly unpredictable. They're not really fighting for any cause, they're only doing it because they're bored, really. Of course, Dooku has one thing Imotekh doesn't: the Force. This could help him at least get a rough idea of what the Orks are going to try and pull, but Force precognition isn't always perfect (a good example of this being Palpatine not predicting Vader betraying him and throwing him into a reactor). I will say this, however: the Orks cannot be demoralized. They're biologically incapable of feeling fear.
Dooku would perform much, much better than Grievous in this scenario, I'll say that much.
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LOL
Orks can be described in one way.
Charge and overrun.
Rarely do they do anything else.
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The same could easily be said of the CIS. And unlike the Orks, they don't have reality-warping powers to make up for it, nor can they steal enemy vehicles.
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Yeah i don't see the Orks winning this.
Lasgun walls pale in comparison to Blaster walls of fire.
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LOLWUT? There have been instances of blasters failing to kill an ordinary human being, the best feat of seen for them was one a blaster bolt burned a hole in an iron grid (something that a lasgun could easily also do).
Also, "blasters are bettah than lasguns!" isn't exactly the stunning blow you think it is, since lasguns only do slightly more than nothing against Orks. It doesn't help that the majority of the battle droids (B1s) are more useless than even the most poorly trained Guardsman.
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It's pretty obvious in many scenes how powerful blasters are.For instance Han's blaster pistol is blew off Concrete (although in SW it's more probable that it was Permacrete which is even stronger and fares well with large heat).
Lasguns do well against Orks.Blasters would decimate them.Just because the Ork doesn't feel pain doesn't mean that the weapon is shit.
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Until they loot the laserguns and upgrade it to make it a laser-mini gun.
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You know what else destroys concrete? Lasguns!
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Yeah but a Blaster PISTOL does this.
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so what advantages would these warriors have over another and who would win
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CIS have better: Recon, Elites, Armor, Air Combat, Misc. Air, and Defense. Their leader takes the Tactics, Strategy, Psychological Warfare, Intelligence, Experience, and Discipline X-Factor. The CIS have better Logistics and Discipline.
Orks have better: Infantry, Heroes, Cavalry, Support, Additional Info, and Victory Gains. The Leader takes the Adaptive Creativity, Intuition, Audacity, and Leadership X-Factors. The Orks take the Espionage, Army Intimidation, and Reinforcement Rate X-Factors.
They Tie In: Army Morale X-Factor
Point of Clarification: While the CIS leader does have slightly more experience then the Ork Leader, if the Ork's advisers are taken into account, then he gains a slight edge in that area.
P.o.C2: While the Orks and the Droids have equal morale, the Orks do have higher morale then the organic troops in the CIS.
Conclusion: After a very very long and very very frustrating battle, the CIS would eventually manage to pull off a win.
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