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Idea is mine, though based on the Tournament of Mortals.Now we begin a new ear: Where the fates are reversed and those once thought lost rise to find themselves on the center stage!
This is a hypothetical Round 2, featuring two fighters who have both fought to protect mankind from the evils beyond understanding.
Reimu Hakurei: A powerful and holy Shrine Maiden, Reimu has battled everything from gods and demons, to vampires and ghosts, all to keep mankind safe. With her mystical powers, she has banished or destroyed some of the most powerful evil in existence.
Superman: Faster then a speeding bullet, and more powerful then a locomotive, Superman has been the Earth protector for decades. With an arsenal of abilities and the strength to physically move mountains with ease, Superman is one tough SOB.
Now, as the two get ready to battle, we must wonder: Reimu may have fought her way through hell and back, but can she take the Man of Steel? We all know magic is one of Superman's main weaknesses, but that hasn't stopped him before... Can Superman tough it out long enough to pull off a win? And if her magic fails her, what can Reimu do? This battle may rip the battle ground asunder, but in the end, only one can continue on to be--
THE DEADLIEST MORTAL!
Finally, in a classic 'To the Victor Goes the Spoils', after you pick a winner, pick something for them to take from the loser. It may be something as simple as a piece of equipment, to something as complex as a power. I'm just curious what you all would say.
(Disclaimer: Just to be clear, these two combatants were created / are owned by people far more creative / wealthier then me. I have made this, not for profit, but in the hopes of encouraging spirited discussion among fans. Please support the combatants official series. Thank you, that is all).
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to ??? [2014-02-28 01:40:53 +0000 UTC]
I remember that was mentioned by Akuu yes, It's strange that Bya-chan 'convinced' an empty shell
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 04:19:01 +0000 UTC]
Again, she's still kinda "there". Her subconscious apparently knows how to act like her former self. That and here comes this person that looks important who accepts her...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-02-28 10:57:37 +0000 UTC]
Ya but remember that she still moves subconsciously, She's liable to erase Byakuren memory of her and move on elsewhere (Otherwise by that logic she'd still be with the one major person who loves her unconditionally from the start, her big sister Satori), To say it straight, Because of her will being the way it is, Koishi can and will act randomly. Though your right that deep down she holds Byakuren in the same stance as her Sister now since HM
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 11:51:25 +0000 UTC]
That might be how Bya has not forgotten her. Also sad is that even Satori apparently has trouble seeing Koishi...
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 12:34:15 +0000 UTC]
Since her subconscious is still of her former self...empty shell or not, she'll not deny herself of a friend who accepts her...I guess fanon assumes she somehow got her original personality back (whatever it was) with the added effect of whatever they interpret manipulating the subconscious as doing to the interpreter. Y'know, besides make them become Giygas with a corporeal form...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-02-28 13:51:33 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, Fanon tends to pair her with Flandre because their very similar (Little sister's to mansion owners who are more powerful than their older sister's) that and since Fanon Flandre is usually portrayed as Ax-Crazy, Her power of subconsciousness can allow Flandre to be able to regain her sanity in her presence.
Giygas was pretty sad for a villain (and an eldritch Abomination at that yikes, I thought his final form was the game jossing me till I realized it was because I could not grasp the true form LOL)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 14:11:42 +0000 UTC]
Even though in canon, Flan would try and regain KOISHI'S conscious mind somehow...
Yes. The form he takes in EarthBound is the closest form to his true form that the protagonists can comprehend. Keep in mind that Giygas IS the dimension you fight him in...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-02-28 14:25:11 +0000 UTC]
The Horror of that happening is not lost on me (Remember she's not ax-crazy in canon but she has been trapped in her homes basement for a LONG TIME)
Yep
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 14:37:23 +0000 UTC]
Yes. Even more...she stays there of her own free will out of love, and she apparently kind of likes it down there...And when the only human she interacted with before the designated hero patrol was Sakuya, it figures that she doesn't know how to act around them...
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 20:26:49 +0000 UTC]
Maybe Flan could get Remi to manipulate Koishi's fate (not that we know the extent of that, but it's worth a shot)...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-02-28 21:47:12 +0000 UTC]
Not much but got to use what's available
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 22:33:14 +0000 UTC]
Again, if her power is as most people think, Remi could manipulate the fate so that they could get Koishi's conscious mind back while maintaining her ability to control the subconscious. Granted, no conscious mind does mean she doesn't get people to commit mass suicide...Just to play with her and forget about her...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-02-28 23:05:54 +0000 UTC]
She does that they way she is anyway (Though she'd be free of the lobotomy)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 23:27:34 +0000 UTC]
I know. That's what I said. Being a child Giygas with a corporeal form basically has her spend time playing and making her playmates forget her. If the Scarlets got her mind back, then Flan wouldn't have to forget...Though if re-opening her eye is the only way, she'd probably angst that that was the only way...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-02-28 23:39:29 +0000 UTC]
But than this is their Fandom interputation not canon so neither have met/give a damn (or in Koishi case basically "?") about the other or have a connection (Flan not ax-crazy canonwise) in canon.
Though you did throw out a great idea for a story (Fanfic ) I'll give you that.
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-02-28 23:41:34 +0000 UTC]
It's assuming they would meet, Flan would want to become her friend (subconscious manipulation or not), and Remi would be willing to help...
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 00:59:01 +0000 UTC]
Get someone to write that scenario. It would shock those who would expect Koishi to help with Flan's "sanity" issues...
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 02:27:06 +0000 UTC]
They'd be all, "Wait, wait, WAIT! You have the scenario backwards, baka! KOISHI'S supposed to be the one curing FLANDRE!" We'd say we're trying to stick closer to canon...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 03:16:19 +0000 UTC]
Indeed (There will always be canon whores who get mad if anyone moves even an inch from the source material, While I agree with this idea, I also feel that sometimes the source material should be a foundation not the entire thing, If it works it works, Why I prefer Naruto Fanfics over the original since the source material was good up until Kishi started pulling shit out his ass after the Gaara rescue arc and shit that should have been established since DAY ONE such as Naruto Clan if their THAT FAMOUS THE VILLIAGE'S SYMBOL WAS BASED OFF THEIR'S WHY THE HELL DID NO ONE CONNECT THE DOTS WITH NARUTO, HELL IF NOT FOR THE VILLIAN BALL, TOBI (AKA obitio still pissed at that) could have snatched Naruto when he was young and no one would have known about Akatsuki since the 4th is a dumbass manchild who decided to die (Which was optional by the way still pissed off since this means he didn't even have the die the Sodding idiot) without leaving a warning about him and left his son's fate up to CHANCE, Read the Naruto Fanfic "Echoes" on Fanfiction, I swear the writer had the right idea on just how seriously fucked up this is after that flashback, hell it makes naruto mother worse since she was all for taking the fox with her and PREVENTING HER SON FROM BECOMING A PARIAH/TICKING TIME BOMB, yet easily was persuade to let this happen with a BS explanation, These two never heard of FREE WILL have they)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 05:33:18 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, "foundation" would be a nice word for my opinion of characterization in fan works, admittedly,..
Naruto, hm? Not exactly willing to get into the actual work itself...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 05:41:18 +0000 UTC]
Save yourself the trouble, It was a great idea poorly executed especially once the writer got all idealistic on us and worse he's an Extreme DBZ fanboy who decided fuck this I want my "Ninja" story to be more like Dragon Ball "Z" like "COMBATWISE" You can't even call them ninja anymore (Which is why I prefer the fanfics )
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 06:00:07 +0000 UTC]
That and/or he decided, "Hey! Other people consider Dragon Ball Z a classic! I want Naruto to be like that!" Now, I know why I'm willing to read the fanfics, but not touch the anime or manga...
At least ZUN blatantly encourages the fanbase to be as they are...even if they don't listen to the groundwork he lays for the characters. On the other hand, fanon can become canon (him coming to call the most popular midbosses in the series by their fanon names of Koakuma (who's more imp than loyal familiar, from what I've read) and Daiyousei, for example). Back to the first hand...Flandre's not the worst offender of fanon vs. canon. From what I've read, that would probably be Alice. The depictions are complete opposites, yes?...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 06:20:13 +0000 UTC]
Right you are (Meiling does nap, Unlike the fandom's extreme case though, she takes a light nap on the job in the noon time and CAN STILL DO HER JOB EVEN WHEN ASLEEP and is a good gate guard keeping any but Marisa out if anyone else gets by her it's through other means (Aya enters only around the time Meiling is off duty doing the Gardening, Reisen and Tewi got in by using a lot of rabbits to distract her), Marisa still breaks into the SDM to steal Patchy books, but Meiling isn't held responsible for this as NO ONE KEEPS MARISA OUT OF ANYTHING, She'll find a way in)
Oh yeah, Poor Alice, She's usually depictated as a Tsundere loner at best or a Marisa obsessed Yandere loon the likes of Sasori from Naruto in wanting to keep Marisa with her forever as a doll (Living or soul in a similar dressed/looking doll) "Foevers" (Never let me say THAT again) at worse, Than you have Tenshi who's largely potrayed as an Extremely annoying super (Can't believe I'm saying this) Masochist because of her lines in SWR about beating her up to stop her, and finally Keine and her "caving" habits LOL for example. Fandom overpowers some characters to illogical levels like Reimu, Sakuya and Sanae, While abusing the hell out of good, more balanced characters like Meiling, and Marisa (Balanced meaning Character and Power wise, The three I mention do have great character, but people OVERPOWER THEM TO THE EXTREME, Especially Reimu who ZUN himself overpowered, though in her case it's at least justified in a good way being the incarnation of the Barrier itself (She dies with no Heir, Bye Bye Barrier)
More Fridge horror for you Seiga ESPECIALLY everything related to her and Yoshika (Especially the fact she "might" have a habit tend to kill people she finds "interesting" and turn them into Jing Si, and looking at Yoshika, She must have been REALLY interesting to warrant keeping her for what might have been a LONG TIME)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 07:11:40 +0000 UTC]
Another thing for Marisa, the Mansion likes to play with her, so if Marisa feels like using the front entrance, they could have told Meiling to pretend she's a heavy sleeper when she waltzes by...
That and...well, remember how in the canon manga, she can summon the powers of Shinto gods? Do not piss Reimu off majorly, or she'll probably summon her full power and say, "F**k the rules!" This can be done by killing someone close to her...Y'know, like how Sakuya would end everyone involved if Remi ended up killed. And as a reminder, Reimu's adventures in the games are her essentially not even lifting a finger, and Reimu tends to beat her foe no matter how powerful they are. Imagine a pissed off Reimu at full potential power, not holding back at all. It probably would take the likes of Eiki, Yukari, and Yuuka working together...though I like to think Yukari has a more...maternal bond with Reimu...
I prefer Marisa with Reimu myself. Overpowered or not, Reimu does give Marisa the drive to keep getting better and working hard. Marisa doesn't need to hate Reimu for that to happen. Admiration is just as justifiable. As for Alice...She probably needs some brain bleach for that interpretation. On the bright side, if the characters know of their fanon interpretations, I can get them to blame Aya. Alice, Meiling, and others will have a VERY painful chat with her...
It's a good thing she can't do that to the main "heroines". Marisa would probably cause Reimu to get pissed off as I described. Reimu would cause the end of Gensokyo...And there are some people who ship Seiga and Yoshika...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 07:25:33 +0000 UTC]
I like Reimu, especially the friendship between her and Marisa (and I like other friendships in the series such as Meiling and Sakuya, Orin and Okuu, and Kanako and Suwako), nothing Stops Reimu. What I dislike is when the fandom overpowers a character for know good reason (Seen one where Momiji hands Meiling and Sakuya (separately) their ass like they were nothing and it was written in a way that it was believable either (This is outside Danmaku and neither were holding back), Those who were just Mini bosses only tend to be in my Mind not that powerful, Even Momiji would be hard pressed in fighting CIRNO, Her fighting melee even with that shield against a Martial Artist Youkai who's as strong as an Oni which Tengu revere and fear and winning is implosible, possible but than as I said it was written as though Meiling was taking her seriously and got WORFED (I hate it when a character is Worfed and worse worfed without a good reasoning behind it like they were sick or something during that fight)
They ship Seiga and Yoshika cause of her comments, and the fact she fires a lot more bullets at you when Yoshika knocked out (Implying Yandere traits) Despite the fact her original personality surfaces when her charm is removed meaning she's in a similar boat as Koishi
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 07:57:20 +0000 UTC]
My favorite relationship dynamic, again, is between Remilia and Sakuya. As some people have commented...the yuri is almost canon for those two. I like to think of Sakuya as loyal to Remi to the point where she seems to have a one-track mind to serving her. That is an accurate interpretation. Oh, and that writer really doesn't know what they are doing if Momiji pissed Remi off. Everyone knows Sakuya would END her (or at least main or...severely injure her). She doesn't need much time. Give her the time it takes to set up her spell card, and hope Momiji enjoys acupuncture. What I'm saying is...Let's say by some miracle, Momiji did somehow beat Meiling in her own element. Wouldn't matter much because Sakuya would leave her a bloody heap on the floor before she could say, "Sorry!" Especially if Remi's honor is on the line...
Ooh! Speaking of Momiji, something a guy I RP with gets wrong: Based on the fact that they fight when they see each other, one can assume Aya and Momiji don't like each other much. Is that right?...
Only Yoshika at least has the boon of not having to act how her subconscious has her act. Granted...When Seiga is in the vicinity, her only thoughts and desires are, "Serve mistress," but still. Is Sakuya one of the few servants that seems to like her job of her own free will? Youmu feels overworked. The robot from PoDD (which I thought meant Diminished until I learned it meant Dimensional) may or may not exist anymore. Yoshika is a jiang shi. Ran is bound to Yukari as a shikigami. Chen is the same to Ran, but much more incompetent and childish. The fairy maids...are fairies that are not Cirno (who has severe limitations herself, mind you...Until she learns how to freeze things to absolute zero...which would probably get fanon Sanae to launch her into Former Hell's core since Suwako is a favorite victim of Cirno's freezing frog habit in fanon). Well, Meiling is willing to uphold the honor of the Scarlets as well, but Sakuya's is more prominent because besides maybe Flan, she's the closest to Remi...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 17:50:46 +0000 UTC]
Canonwise, Hurting anyone in the SDM is a berserk button for any of the girls there (Minus Patchy, Bringing any form of harm to her books is a Berserk button) and I agree that Sakuya and Meiling are very loyal to their mistress Remilia, Sakuya takes it to Zealot levels (Canonwise Meiling is on good terms with her Mistress being able to borrow her manga without needing to ask, and Remilia encourages her to accept Duel request as long as she is made aware of them so she can watch for her entertainment, So like Sakuya, Meiling would fight to the death for Remilia but doesn't have that One sided Zealous towards her that Sakuya has since it's implied that Meiling has been with the SDM for a very long time, long before Sakuya joined, I still do love Meiling/Sakuya though, and Remilia/Patchouli )
Yes Aya and Momiji don't get along and their from different departments DESPITE what Aya claims otherwise meaning she would disregard ANY orders Aya would give to her if she wished, Aya claims Momiji is racist towards Black Crow Tengu, But Hatate gets along really well with Momiji, meaning it's likely Momiji just hates Aya (Knowing Aya attude though it's not surprising). Doesn't stop the Fandom from treating her like a Tsundere towards Aya (and having her have Wolf ears and a Tail)
Despite otherwise, Youmu does love her mistress Yuyuko and Ran and Yukari relationship is largely fanon interputation (The girl attacks you TWICE in PCB the second time after promising you that you may speak to Yukari later and because well ya beat up Chen), Sanae has a similar relationship with her goddess but more so with Kanako who she treats like a mother figure.
No matter how powerful Cirno gets she'll never be a true threat to Suwako (An earth and curse goddess)
One dynamic that I really like from the fandom is Meiling/Flandre relationship (As a sister like relationship similar to Remilia/Sakuya, And yes it's still unknown if the two in canon interact since the only ones who do interact with her are Sakuya who feeds and takes care of her needs and Patchouli who's a type of tutor and makes it rain to keep Flandre from trying to leave the mansion period since rain hurts Vampires, Still the fandom does those two right though)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 18:11:10 +0000 UTC]
They have a family dynamic. Just that Sakuya's reaction to Remi being wronged is the most...extreme...RemiSaku is more what I'm into, but opinions are opinions...
I like to think, again, that the ladies would be aware of their fanon interpretations from Aya's "reporting". Cue angry mob at Bunbunmaru headquarters...
Well, the Moriya goddesses did kind of RAISE Sanae, I think...
Tell that to fanon. They think, "Cirno likes freezing frogs, and Suwako has a frog motif! Duhhh...Cirno freezes Suwako for fun!"
Yeah, their relationship is cute. And you must admit that even if you don't see them as gay for each other, Remi and Sakuya are still a couple. It's like John and Sherlock. Even if they're not IN love, they still love each other...Remi wanted Sakuya to be with her forever, and Sakuya swore to serve Remi to the end of her days...
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 18:27:02 +0000 UTC]
Sadly for people like you, SakuMei is filled with a lot of the abusive fanon angle...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 18:32:27 +0000 UTC]
Not lately though, I've seen less and less of the whole abusive angle in pic's lately, the only time I see them is from newbies or those who still cling to that concept despite otherwise (and those folks are pretty rare), Plus as good a Remilia/Sakuya is. People seem to love making Sakuya an extreme Lolicon (Which is just not right)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 19:01:21 +0000 UTC]
Well, that's good. Most people are doing the bloody research. That or the other SakuMei fans became aware that domestic abuse is not charming...
Ah. Well, it's a good thing that I think that there would be other things that attract Sakuya to Remi (well, that and I don't think that she would be attracted to Remi solely due to the loli appearance. It would more so be that she just doesn't care that Remi looks like a ten-year-old). That and I don't think Remi and Sakuya would be too keen on sharing each other. I assume what you mean is how some depict her as nosebleeding in either Scarlet's presence?...
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 20:22:52 +0000 UTC]
Yeeeeah...I'm one of those, again, that thinks Sakuya would love Remi (and only Remi) DESPITE the childish appearance, as opposed to because of it. I...have read this one doujin where Sakuya is...well, a lolicon (side thing to the actual story). It's the one where they put on maid outfits, and Sakuya apparently constantly writes, "Moe, moe, moe..." on her to-do list. Sakuya is usually much more reserved...until someone wrongs Remi (especially) or anyone else in the Mansion...or call her a pedophile. That'll give you acupuncture (the former) and/or a spear in the chest (the latter, in my opinion)...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 20:30:43 +0000 UTC]
I read that one Remi looks cute in a maid outfit LOL.
I agree. Things I hate from the fandom, Patchy loving Marisa (You know the one who keeps STEALING HER BOOKS), Marisa curb stomping Meiling like nothing, Sakuya being a Lolicon, Meiling being incompetent , Sakuya being a mary sue, Remilia/Flandre Incest, Fandom Remilia keeps Fandom incompetent Meiling around for no good reason other than she's a bitch and enjoys her in pain and calling her useless (The only one who rags on Meiling when Marisa steals is Patchy and in truth she does the SAME THING TO SAKUYA AS WELL IN CANON).
One thing I like about Fandom Remilia is her "Charisima Breaks" they make her so cute LOL and cute psycho Flandre without the gore
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 21:17:11 +0000 UTC]
Flan does too. Shame that that depiction of Sakuya had to be on forced vacation. The real Sakuya would happily let Gensokyo and the world as we know it end before she is unable to perform her duty to Remi...And Remi probably knows that, so that's why she doesn't usually send Sakuya on vacation unless she goes with her. At least, that's what I think would happen...
The tsundere thing is apparently popular in Japan like it is in America. Just ask the iCarly shippers about how shipping can ruin something...
I have a hard time in EoSD facing Meiling as REIMU. I'm sure she's usually pretty good at her job. Then again, Cirno's not to be underestimated either. She may be a fairy, but she is the strongest and smartest of the fairies. While that doesn't mean much, people like Marisa and everyone who faces her on Normal and above (that beginning part) know that underestimating Cirno only begets pain and humiliation, especially the latter. Yeah, people underestimating Cirno would kind of be mine (I'm not saying she's one of the strongest in Gensokyo. I'm just saying not to dismiss her as a threat), I guess...and apathetic psycho Flandre. I guess the Flandre that doesn't know what she's doing is wrong and acts cute while doing it is slightly more bearable...
And again, they sometimes LET Marisa in because they want to play. That or Patchy really wants to test her new spell card, and she hates Marisa enough to be glad to have her as the guinea pig...
Ah, yes. Charisma breaks. They prove that cuteness does run in the Scarlet family (besides...y'know, their natural cuteness). Then again, we don't know how their ancestors were as kids...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-01 22:48:55 +0000 UTC]
Sakuya only gets involve in Incident's only when Remilia order's her to get involved or she has no choice BUT to get involved.
Yeah I saw that episode when I use to watch ICARLY, Nice way to insult the dumber parts of the Fandom especially the ones who start stupid pairing wars. To bad Tsundere are done to death it gets annoying, I have a gauge of what makes a good Tsundere character (Rin from Fate Stay Night), Okay (Middle point of the gauge, Akane Tendo from Ranma 1/2), and Bad (Louise from Familiar of Zero and Kirie from Girl Bravo)
Danmaku never gauges power levels (Seija of DDC is a good example being a VERY weak Youkai, What makes her dangerous as a level 5 boss like Sakuya is her powers screwing with you by literally "flipping" the screen around (though I think the only reason her powers could do that level of realty warping is because of Sukuna Golden Hammer than Seija herself) while Sakuya is a literally blink and your screwed since she can time stop to move anywhere on the screen like teleportation or surround you with bullets/knives), What I do get is Stage 1 bosses are usually weak power wise sometimes with a good power just no control over it (Rumia) or bad situational use (Wakasagihime is dangerous but only in water and she's fighting you in the air AWAY FROM WATER) or holding back for training purposes (Yuyuko in Ten Desires), 2nd level are slightly stronger, Third Level are balanced and are better in the Pattern departments to REALLY GIVE YOU BULLET HELL (Meiling and Kagerou for example and this is when you start seeing character's use their abilities skillfully such as Meiling using her Chi as shielding and Kagerou going into her wolf form for speed), Level 4 are tough (Patchouli), Level 5 really start to show that yes they can use their abilities in Danmaku (Sakuya and Seija) and Final bosses are usually the toughest of the tough with Extra level Bosses coming close to surpassing them (Exception are Eirin who is stronger than Kaguya and Mokou both but is loyal to the first and doesn't get involved with the second, Sukuna was powered by her Hammer, So it was more the hammer than her that was the threat during her battle take that away and she's pretty helpless, There are few exceptions I likely didn't but down but these a my thoughts on the matter.
Doubt it's them letting her in and more of her sneaking in, In SA Alice, Nitori AND Patchouli only partnered with Marisa for their own (Only Patchy was outright using Marisa cause she couldn't go underground for health reason's, Alice and Marisa are friends and neighbors and even she used her to go underground in her steed, hell it was more of she's going there anyway why not exploit that for their own reasons she's the one taking the risk and being in danger, Nitori is mostly cause Marisa is the ONLY human she likely knows), Neither Meiling or Sakuya catch sight of Marisa before she gets to the library and Marisa outright FEARS Flandre after the events of ESOD making it a point to stay away from her room while inside and usually the only one who detects her is Patchouli who responds as anyone with a gun would if they catch site of an intruder, Likely the only one who can come and go freely to the SDM without being harassed by Meiling and/or Sakuya is Reimu cause Remilia has taken a shine to her after ESOD (Fandom tends to make Remila the Rich haughty girl stalker type to Reimu LOL)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-01 23:14:40 +0000 UTC]
Basically, if it threatens Remilia and the Mansion...
Not just iCarly. Viridi in Kid Icarus: Uprising is an example of shippers taking her as a tsundere...
The Spell Card Rules were specifically made so Reimu doesn't HAVE to worry about the strength of her opponent, and the youkai could continue to cause incidents. None of the youkai in the Windows games have been truly "evil" until Seija. PC-98 did have Mima, but she has been said to have mellowed out somewhat...
Either way, Patchy takes advantage of Marisa's sneaking in to test her new danmaku and, hopefully, hurt her enough to send her flying away screaming. If they really wanted her to stay out, they would just trick her into going to Flan's room every time. So...it's a conflict. Patchy hates Marisa and doesn't want Voile pilfered, but she does have someone to test her danmaku on...
Most youkai do tend to like Reimu after their incidents. Just that in canon, she's neutral to them in general. She doesn't like them, but she doesn't hate them like most humans do...
I do know one thing. Seija is indeed a pain to fight. However, Shinyonmaru did wish for the weak youkai to be stronger with the Lucky Mallet (Miracle Mallet in Touhou, but I was an Ōkami fan first, so I call it the Lucky Mallet), hence how Seija was able to be promoted to Stage 5 boss. Just that it also had the main weapons of the heroes possessed as the "price", apparently...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-02 00:07:24 +0000 UTC]
Basically, if it threatens Remilia and the Mansion...
-Agree with this
Not just iCarly. Viridi in Kid Icarus: Uprising is an example of shippers taking her as a tsundere...
-Also agree with this
The Spell Card Rules were specifically made so Reimu doesn't HAVE to worry about the strength of her opponent, and the youkai could continue to cause incidents.
-I was referring to gameplay wise not story
Either way, Patchy takes advantage of Marisa's sneaking in to test her new danmaku and, hopefully, hurt her enough to send her flying away screaming. If they really wanted her to stay out, they would just trick her into going to Flan's room every time. So...it's a conflict. Patchy hates Marisa and doesn't want Voile pilfered, but she does have someone to test her danmaku on...
-Maybe doubt they could trick her into going ANYWHERE near Flandre room (Most likely found the door going down there just to be sure what location to stay away from)
I do know one thing. Seija is indeed a pain to fight.
- True
Shinyonmaru did wish for the weak youkai to be stronger with the Lucky Mallet (Miracle Mallet in Touhou, but I was an Ōkami fan first, so I call it the Lucky Mallet), hence how Seija was able to be promoted to Stage 5 boss. Just that it also had the main weapons of the heroes possessed as the "price", apparently...
-Also All True though Sukuna does get Too Dumb to live points in believing in the words of a youkai from a race that's known for lying and still believing her (and she knew what Youkai type Seija was) (I do have fond memories of Okami and still have my Wii version of it on my WiiU), funny enough Seija was smart enough to see a chance to make herself strong and took it (A Fandom joke on her is she acts like Cirno thinking she's stronger than she is, unlike Cirno though she's made to be so weak even NON-MAGIC USING HUMANS CAN BEAT HER EASILY after she mouths off before attacking (or trying too) and funny enough after the trouble she caused and fooling with poor Shinyonmaru, I actually LIKE this interputation funny enough and I normally hate them)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-02 00:23:36 +0000 UTC]
Just knock Marisa out, put her in the basement, then watch her come out screaming...Or play with Flan. Either scenario would work for them...
And remember, the Rules are the justification for the gameplay. Like ZUN says, if they really wanted each other dead, they wouldn't even need a tenth of the bullets. Beauty over lethality...
Well...Seija is talkative, so she'd be the type to be all, "There's no way you can beat ME!"
So you're saying fanon Seija is so weak, putting her in the Human Village and telling them what she is would cause her to be beaten badly?...
And remember: Remi doesn't HAVE to tell Sakuya, "This threatens the mansion and me! Sic 'em!" Imperishable Night had Sakuya follow her without Remi telling her to...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-02 01:20:08 +0000 UTC]
That would work, But me believes she flees with her bounty once detected.
I know just saying my piece.
Funny right LOL (Except that's too harsh, she's more of the "talks down to her opponent like she's stronger than gets beaten flat showing she was all bark no bite").
Hmm never though of it like that.
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-02 02:11:49 +0000 UTC]
That's why they put the books back. It'll keep her there longer...Unless she has...other plans that day...
With the Mallet no longer empowering her...Maybe even the weakest fairy could do a number on her fanon self by itself? Is that too harsh?...
If something threatens Remi or would hurt Remi's honor, Sakuya will be there, knives and Luna Dial at the ready. Maybe the youkai have nightmares of her when they don't have them of Reimu and Marisa...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-02 02:51:09 +0000 UTC]
Feeling sympathy for the average youkai, what are you Byakuren (But seriously, in the mindset of a good amount of Youkai, they believe in the Strong rule and the weak have to obey (Kind of true but I think this involve Wild Youkai as in Youkai not part of a communities like the SDM for example, or a group as Orin and Okuu are WAY stronger than their mistress Satori, But have an animal mentality so by default are loyal to her because she's their caring master before they gained their ability to take a human form and become Youkai, And those belonging to Byakuren faction and the Tengu and Kappa of Youkai Mountain), Seija saw a chance to change this, but unlike others only cared about the part of it which would make her strong so others especially the strong she use to be afraid of crossing would fear her and have to do what she says a reversal of roles basically)
Okay NO MORE SAKUYA WORSHIPING FOR YOU FRIEND LOL, If you love Sakuya so much marry her LOL (your kind of repeating yourself TOO much now in regards to Sakuya berserk button)
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-02 03:13:24 +0000 UTC]
It's not exactly the strong and the weak, per se. It's more so either those factions, or they're out for themselves...
I'm not worshipping her. I wasn't even saying Sakuya would win handily. I'm just saying that they would probably fear her when not fearing Reimu and Marisa. I mean...who else do we have that they'd fear over those three? Sanae? Youmu? Admittedly, Yuuka and Yukari would be legitimate answers...And Sakuya's only my second favorite. And it's not so much the power as it is the sheer rage they'd see in her eyes...Especially if she were to resort to torture. It's not a show of superior power. It's a show that she would happily kill them if Remi willed it...
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NotaArtistJustReview In reply to NessFan123 [2014-03-02 03:32:00 +0000 UTC]
True
Just stating your repeating yourself too much with Sakuya zealousness like a Zealot (funny), also Reimu and Marisa only have one legitimate fear and that's the Mary Sue sisters from the moon.
We all have are like, A lot of my favorites outside a Main Character (Marisa) are from the SDM (Meiling being my number 1 and Sakuya being my 5th, Marisa is my 4th and Kogasa use to be my second but is now third since Kagerou is my 2nd now, I love 3rd stage bosses ALOT for some reason since I love Keine too, Mokou, Reisen, Ran and Chen, Yamane, Nitori, Hatate and Aya, Kanako, Suwako, and Sanae, Youmou, Orin, Okuu, Mamizou, Nazrin, That Mermaid with the long ass name from DDC (I ship her and Kagerou and right now too lazy to look her name and Copy paste it), Seija, Sukuna, Raiko, and every sister characters that are not the moon sisters, I don't agree much with either Byakuren nor Miko as they both come off a bit much for me in their ideals especially their actions prior (Miko using Buddhism and even her plan to protect humans which includes making her self their eternal ruler in TD which she likely still wishes to complete at a later point, Byakuren quest for immortality and Youth her wanting coexistence comes off as her more of wanting it SO SHE ISN'T HATED since she is a youkai now the thing she use to hunt, I know neither are shifty like that and mean well and both are reasonable with each other despite being religious enemies, but that's how I see it)).
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NessFan123 In reply to NotaArtistJustReview [2014-03-02 03:43:26 +0000 UTC]
I'm saying the youkai fear them. Reimu really has nothing to fear if the incident causer of the week is aware of the spell card rules. Sakuya would be a backup fear to keep them in check if Reimu and Marisa are unavailable. Since those two are always available, then it is unnecessary...
Well, Bya and Miko fit perfectly in Gensokyo, then. It IS where common sense goes to die, after all. Just ask Sanae. And really, existing in Gensokyo is about the closest to Bya's desires she'll ever realize. At least the humans don't go out of their way to kill the youkai in Gensokyo, after all...
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