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Idea is mine, though based on the Tournament of Mortals.Now we begin a new ear: Where the fates are reversed and those once thought lost rise to find themselves on the center stage!
This is a hypothetical Round 2, featuring two fighters who have both fought to protect mankind from the evils beyond understanding.
Reimu Hakurei: A powerful and holy Shrine Maiden, Reimu has battled everything from gods and demons, to vampires and ghosts, all to keep mankind safe. With her mystical powers, she has banished or destroyed some of the most powerful evil in existence.
Superman: Faster then a speeding bullet, and more powerful then a locomotive, Superman has been the Earth protector for decades. With an arsenal of abilities and the strength to physically move mountains with ease, Superman is one tough SOB.
Now, as the two get ready to battle, we must wonder: Reimu may have fought her way through hell and back, but can she take the Man of Steel? We all know magic is one of Superman's main weaknesses, but that hasn't stopped him before... Can Superman tough it out long enough to pull off a win? And if her magic fails her, what can Reimu do? This battle may rip the battle ground asunder, but in the end, only one can continue on to be--
THE DEADLIEST MORTAL!
Finally, in a classic 'To the Victor Goes the Spoils', after you pick a winner, pick something for them to take from the loser. It may be something as simple as a piece of equipment, to something as complex as a power. I'm just curious what you all would say.
(Disclaimer: Just to be clear, these two combatants were created / are owned by people far more creative / wealthier then me. I have made this, not for profit, but in the hopes of encouraging spirited discussion among fans. Please support the combatants official series. Thank you, that is all).
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At least I don't adamantly insist that Flan could easily stand up to and beat the big powerhouses in Gensokyo (Yukari, Yuuka, Eiki, etc). Obviously...she could probably not...
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Thank god for that, She's powerful but untrained attack with enough force and before she can respond and she's done, (Plus the ones you mention are powerhouses in their own right, Still pissed that canonwise, Eirin and Yukari are equals, yet Eirin's students can defeat Yukari easily, Happy the moon sisters only showed up once AND ONLY ONCE), In some of the Touhou RPG's she's in (fan made) she's portrayed as a glass cannon which fits; Remilia's strong but has limited amounts of attacks which hurt her to use
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Those Moon Sisters you hate so much...did they once own Reisen II? Also, it's a good thing for those sisters that they didn't threaten the Afterlife. Then...yeah. At least from that story, we learned that Reimu could apparently control the powers of the Shinto gods...
Not just the attacks. They have a number of weaknesses as well. Though if they're like their weakness to the Sun, then they can regenerate from some of them. I...assume that also means they can gradually build a resistance to things like the Sun. Without sparkles. However, it still is essentially throwing oneself into a fire to do it (literally), so they won't even bother in case the person who said that they would regenerate was wrong...
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They owned the Reisen we know Reisen 2 was named on memory of her (as far as the moon knows she's dead, not deserted
Pleas don't try to rationalize them (Brain hurts from the attempt myself, so much cheapness), Plus Yorihime summoned Enma, Eiki BLOODY BOSS so I doubt they'll screw with anything (that and Toyohime all but stated they don't want our filthy earth sin germs on them so doubt they'll ever come to earth and if so only to visit Eirin then jet, ZUN at least stated they will NEVER be in the games because of their brokenness (and their beliefs mean they'll never leave the moon), Plus they might see Reisen, Eirin most likely knows they'll execute the poor rabbit girl on site for desertion regardless of how she feels, and they'll bring too much attention on Eirin (the events of IN was to KEEP the moon government from finding her and Kaguya of course)
No Sun weakness, Their not the vampire folks from the Nasuverse LOL
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Well, that's convenient. They won't send more rabbits to execute Reisen. But isn't Reisen II on Earth now as punishment?...
Well, that's convenient. Can't have a Phantasm stage with bosses much harder than the Prismvier sisters...
They're still weakened by the Sun. Just that Akyuu says they can regenerate from it. Since it'd still be extremely painful, you can see why they never try it...
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Nope, Still on the moon with the sisters
Thank god for that
Nope, One thing to remember is that Akyuu isn't 100% right, She normally gets her information from AYA, So have of her info are usually not true or just her own assumption (ZUN's way of messing with the fandom by letting tidbits of what they think a character is like or was in their past canon, Such as Akyuu THINKS Sakuya use to be a vampire/monster hunter that suffered Defeat Means Friendship by Remilia, and she also puts countermeasures ON ALL YOUKAI CHARACTERS, That includes friendlies and those ON HER SIDE like Keine (In canon the two barely get along much, Professional relationship basically), She also get's second hand information from others too, Like Meiling does sleep around noon but is still able to effectively guard the SDM gate even than being harsher on intruders who try to pass her when she's sleeping, but will forgive them if they apologize and retreat, many humans who pass the mansion have stated she acts so human like, They aren't even sure she's a youkai (She's very kind with humans the opposite of Sakuya who despises her own kind minus a few exception, It's believed the reason she doesn't eat humans is because Sakuya tends to feed her (Sakuya is the BEST CHEF EVER), Hell her threat level to humans is listed as Low, meaning as long as someone doesn't provoke her, she not liable to kill them, even than she's not likely to go around killing/eating humans (Her comment in EOSD about eating Miko's was likely an attempt to intimidate Reimu into leaving the mansion grounds peacefully which of course would not have worked even had she meant it being this is REIMU), Despite what I stated about Sakuya, she's not listed as a Threat cause like I said Akyuu tends to be like everyone else and is weary about all KNOWN youkai, so human characters don't get threat level's (Even if there's a chance that Sakuya might be (fandom idea) kidnapping traveling humans with her powers to make them Remilia or Flandre next meal (Likely if this is true it would make sense especially when you take Eiki words about her in PFB into account as I don't think hating your own race qualifies going to HELL) who knows just throwing that one out there)
But yes, Akyuu is not just ZUN's way of establishing canon information, it's also his way of TROLLING (or not pissing off) us fans by only leaving 'Maybe's' on a lot of characters too (Cause he does realize the success of the series is because of the way the fandom views it and how the imagine it, Smart too since If this was George Lucas the series would have sucked as he'd be taking sides in Fandom wars when HE SHOULDN'T and ruining his own work because HE CAN'T POSSIBLELLY THINK THAT RUINING WHAT FANS BELIEVE SUCH AS EXPLAINING IN EP 1 THAT YOU CAN BECOME A JEDI BECAUSE OF A CELL COUNT AND NOT BECAUSE OF DESTINY WAS A GOOD IDEA AND THAT'S ONLY 'ONE' EXAMPLE OF SOME BONE HEADED MOVES.
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Ah...
So it could be true, but it may not be. Again, story-wise, if Remi knows about that, then she's not willing to try it out...and let's face facts: Sakuya wouldn't let Remi try it due to the chance of death...And I do assume Sakuya does hunt humans down to feed to them. She IS considered the human who behaves like a youkai. Something else solely in my mind if the Vampire Hunter thing is true: Maybe Sakuya let Remi win because she was jaded about the youkai hunting business...
At least ZUN acknowledges that most of what makes his baby popular is the massive fandom it has, and their freedom...
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ZUN is doing it for the art. Otherwise, he'd have much worse of a reaction that we Americans are getting his games online instead of importing them. As it stands, his reaction seems to be more, "Meh. Let them. I make enough off of Touhou here in Japan to get by. Well, Touhou and my wife's job." Correct me if I'm wrong about that...
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I said to correct me if I had gathered incorrectly...
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I did with the LOL
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Okay. Normal people would tell me exactly what I got wrong...
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What is this 'Normal" anyways (We left that out the door a LONG TIME ago, and anyway I was busy at that moment in time so that was my only thought to that comment in that it was "funny cause what you stated was true")
How' this The God Mode Moon Sister's together vs. Darkseid
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Oh. Thanks for clearing that up...
Moon Sisters vs. Darkseid? Uh...that would depend. Can they survive insta-death?...
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Darkseid can reconstitute them with the Omega Beams after killing them with them if he wants. You're welcome for your wet dream for tonight...
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(Oh I so love throwing Darkseid at PURE mary sue characters like the moon sisters (Luckily Sakuya and Reimu aren't Mary Sues as I actually like them and I only like developed characters regardless of powers, I love characters of the same as the ones i like except with more balanced powers like Meiling, Suika and Marisa), Plus why kill them off the bat, Torture them with the "Agony Matrix's" LOL I'm evil 
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Agony Matrix, carve out hearts, Omega Beam what's left, regenerate them, repeat. YOU'RE the evil one?!...
Sorry...but have the Mary Sues insult Remi. If Sakuya acupuncture leaves a bad taste in your mouth, then Remi can make them meet with a terrible fate. Those Mary Sues are probably immortal, so they can just feed them to Flan or pawn them off to the next guy when Remi, Sakuya, Meiling, and Patchy bore of them...
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True and VERY True "Evil laugh in the distance"
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"You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"
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Ah THAT Zelda game brings back memories OF HORROR, Both Sister's are mary sues cause Yorihime suffers all the other reindeer (Funny with their whole idea of sin being why we earthlings grow old and die yet they commit it without remorse, Hypocrites, Why Eirin and Kaguya are the only Moon Humans I like) because of her powers (Eirin had hoped meeting Reimu would show her she's not alone along with thwarting (and failing) Yukari's plan in using Remilia as a decoy, and Toyohime the worse purity, I still can't understand why Yorihime is hated by the fanbase more than her big sister after the shit she told Yukari about , most likely because Toyohime comes off as a peach obsessed ditz I suppose.
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Maybe. I have little experience with the canon manga...
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Short story, Yukari want's to stick it to the Moon people again so she convinces Remilia to go up their and "invade" them (Cause Remi experience with them comes from the events of IN so she thinks their at the power level of Eirin and Kaguya, Canonwise Both are not really that powerful, Eirin is Smarter than Yukari and has outwitted her in the past as her rival the Sage of the Moon who's ID is unknown to Yukari who still wishes to install the "Fear" of Youkai into her even to this day, Eirin finds out and tries to warn the sister's about it, To make it quick, Remi was a Unwitting Distraction and Yukari let Eirin catch on knowing despite being a renegade she would try to warn the moon that Yukari was up to her trick's again involving them, Yuyuko was with Remi's group and was suppose to steal something treasured by them as a big "Gotcha" to them, She stole and ancient bottle of Wine instead just to troll Yukari which was pretty funny when you look about it, Reimu and Marisa ended up being pulled into the sceme unwittingly sad for them especially Marisa because of what they used to get the Rocket into Space)
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What I know of that is that the rocket operated on achievements in ignorance, and Yukari have Reimu a taste of her true power as a Hakurei (summoning Shinto gods)...and the first Lunar War is why Gensokyo doesn't expand its borders...That one may or may not have been a lesson to the youkai...
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Yeah I know (The fact, Sakuya opened the window while they were IN SPACE just to "let some air in" is like THE BIGGEST CLUE LOL; And she'll never use them in the games (otherwise she would be too broken, that and I don't think gods would appreciated being called every second of the day, That and wouldn't she also be able to summon Kanako and Suwako as well, since they are also Shinto gods (I kind of liked it when God Summoning was Sanae's thing), The Lunar war is still a mystery though as that's only ONE of the believed reason's Yukari started it, Because THIS IS YUKARI YAKUMO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, She likely wanted to put the fear of Youkai into the moon folk (From what I gather on her, She hold's the belief alongside Keine, that Humanity should have a "healthy" fear of Youkai and since in a way the Moon Folks are most likely a cousin race in a way to earthlings well you get the jest, I say this because one of her major goals was to the hunt down the Moon Human called the "Sage of the Moon" and put the fear of Youkai into her not to mention her interference during the war (She never realized nor do I think she knows that EIRIN is the Moon sage who was her rival and I think Eirin is aware of that and is trying to keep her Identity a secret lest Yukari starts to pester her as she's got better things to be doing than have to deal with her when she's awake)
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Reimu would be even more broken if she could summon Amaterasu's (who exists in this world. At least, an avatar, namely the Yatagarasu, which is happily nestled up in Utsuho. Not so happily according to some fans) divine powers, as an example, yes...
Yeah, Yukari's morality is weird even by the standards of the other youkai. At least the latter are either loyal only to themselves or a select group. Yukari...seems to want Gensokyo to live while keeping the youkai as feared...
Yeah, good thing for Eirin. The fanon interpretation would not like being experimented on by Yukari's powers of vagueness (we know she uses gaps like portals...has danmaku...and can summon trains to run people over). Since Eirin is hiding her identity as the Moon Sage...didn't Yukari succeed? Well, in terms of instilling fear of a specific youkai. Let's face it: Yukari's the only one she could be afraid of. Tick her off enough, and you could end up burning up in the Sun. It would kill a normal being, and it would be extremely painful for one who drank the Hourai Elixir. Could they even escape the Sun's gravity?...
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Doubtless, Yukari comes off as the type who'd want you to suffer than instant death vie Sun (Plus it's too easy)
But yeah Yukari comes off as friendly to Humans, only it's an act as Humans are so much more cooperative when said Youkai isn't trying to eat them on site, They need the Humans and as much as people want to not think on it, If she pulls a Human from the outside world, It's either to A) Get them eaten by the more I'm a humanitarian" Youkai or B) Keep the Bloodlines in the village diverse (Don't want it to get so close to Incest levels because their were to few humans), in the case of B) I'd think she'd "Spirited Away" Human's who would not have TOO much of an impact on the cultural structure of the Village (They have to remain in a Feudal Era Mindset/State to control the effect they would have on Youkai) and Stuff like Mystia and Kyouko guerrilla Concerts and what the Kappa have remain out of reach of the humans there (The concert is populated by Youkai that might make a meal of Humans and while Kappa to have a Bazaar to sell their inventions, That too is full of Youkai and Kappa reputation's (True or not) for drowning and Anal Raping humans seem to keep Humans afar), Hell too many people tend to look at Gensokyo as a nice place to live and forget that it's nice if your a Youkai, Non-Human or Magical/divine powered human, If not well it's Australia where ever things trying to kill you pretty much, The only Youkai not to kill, eat or turn you into a source of amusement (as in one sided in their favor) are few in between (Meiling, Byakuren, All the Youkai in Byakuren group, Remi not being a big eater means as long as you don't anger her she won't have to hurt you or have Sakuya hurt you if she doesn't think it's worth wasting her time, or Sakuya finds offense in your actions, Mystia seems to care about tricking humans into buying from her than eating them but you can never be sure), Than remember that their stuck in the feudal era stage of medicine and technology (and thinking) in the human village so yep, As far as someone like Sanae seems to she has little worry as it seems she still has access to all those things back at her shrine (there was mention of a TV set so they must have access to electricity to use it among other things you'd find in a typical modern era home) so it comes off more of her being a city girl moving out to the country. and it seems Youkai can come and go from the Barrier as they please (Mamizou comes from the outside world as well as Nue being able to FIND her adds merit to this, not to mention how the instrument sisters and Raiko in DDC were able to go into a city during the events of DDC on the outside and possess instruments from there count). Yep would not want to live there LOL
It's less likely she kill or horribly torture Eirin and more of make her fear what other hijinks Yukari might have planed for her (Unlike pulling her into one like she's does to everyone else, She would specifically be coming after her with torment in mind) like being haunted by an annoying ghost, Eirin might as well have Butt Monkey/Cosmic Plaything stamped on her head
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That and the Spell Card Rules are why she doesn't just gap her problems to the Sun. Ironic, given that she's kinda lazy...
I like to think that the Mary Sues in Touhou fanfics are all the humans that Yukari would actually kidnap to feed to the wild youkai. She tells them they can be special and meet the youkai of their choice...Then they get eaten by the first wild youkai they find...
Keep in mind that Remi does seem the petty type...And I like to think that Sakuya takes insults towards Remi worse than she does...
I'd like to go there...But I'd explicitly say that meeting Flandre is the very specific way I want to DIE, and I'd go willingly if she let me do so. Otherwise, I'd stay in the Human Village. Granted, she wins either way, and we have plenty of humans, but it's worth a shot...
Yeah, especially if the one pestering her is, as Yukari is, an extremely powerful youkai some make the mistake of calling a god...
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Doubt it since remember that the power of border control means Yukari could hijack/subvert the spell card rules if she want's, She chooses to follow the rules because she wants to, Also throwing anyone into the sun is less effective as you really gain no satisfaction of quick killing your problems, Like Bane says "You must be made to suffer", Only if it was something NONE OF HER ABILITIES COULD HARM but she wants dead/gone would she go for the sun option.
Nice concept, Doubt it canon wise, Largely folks who are liable to end up on the "missing without a trace" case or those who are likely to not be missed much.
True (Funny that Akyuu seems to have Remilia personality down straight LOL)
Yukari goes where she pleases only really being kept at bay by a small few (Eiki, Yuuka, Moon Sisters, ETC), If she found you annoying SHE WOULD NEVER APPEAR IN FRONT OF YOU PERIOD
Speaking of Sukuna, Just found out she's living in a house in a cage at the shrine till the mallet recharges after DDC (and is still there as of Forbidden Scrollery) for her own protection, Starting to think the canon ending for all Touhou games are Reimu's (Though I will agree she likely is traveling with Marisa and any of the other girls (Sakuya, Sanae, Youmu) of that game minus PFB)
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But she would want them to suffer. Sun+Hourai Immortal=Suffering...
Only ones who'd miss Eirin are those that live in Eientei...
That depends on if she would find me annoying...
Meaning she'll probably appear in the next Phantasmagoria or fighting game...
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Eirin might have ways around it though (It's believed that she's one of the higher tier gods of the moon folk in a human (as far as I'm concern Lunarians are a Moon Humans who seem to have existed before us or split off from us) form, So not a Hourai Human/Lunarian (Even those on the moon are unaware of her "True" Identity as one of their goddess, Otherwise why consider her a criminal other than they think she is one of their greatest minds gone rogue. We've also yet to see her or any of the "Old Maiden" Alliance go all out yet and yes Suwako and Miko are also members of the alliance because of their true age and power despite Suwako technically being an EX boss), The sister's while Mary Sues do have a reason for existing and that is to explain how the hell Youkai Sage who's close to latterly Goddess levels Yukari lost the War against the moon. I hate to say it but they and Yukari are not invincible nor overpowered, Because I can hate the sisters, Yet have to remember they've lived VERY LONG lives, so it justified how they are so powerful (and as much as we want to break Yukari Border and Gap control they do have limits, and one thing that comes to mind is how a Humanoid Youkai like Yukari has a Hibernation period where she sleeps through half the Year (We rarely see her outside the periods where she should be sleeping) unless it's an indication she's reached her limits and is starting to feel her age), But some of this are my assumptions, But never forget do NOT overpower a character without reason, Reimu is powerful because of her lineage, connection to the powerful ass Barrier that bends the reality of "Fantasy (Fantasy Heaven Pun) and Reality" to function and exist and is a Natural Genius who relies to heavily on luck and her own initiation (Not a bad thing though), Yorihime has all that with Centuries of Pratice makes perfect and experience, along with being similar to Marisa in that she's a Hard Worker, That's why Reimu lost (and Hence Why I dislike Yorihime a litte less is because of that factor), Sakuya is powerful but the red eyes give me an idea that she's bound to Remilia meaning in the same way as Reimu she has a very powerful source of energy to break her ability, and Sanae is already explainator being bound to Kanako and Suwako with the add bonus of a god bloodline do to Suwako (her ancestor), That's why I like Marisa and Youmu, They are hard workers especially Youmu who even with her half phantom status was trained and still trains herself to become stronger making her similar to Marisa in the Hard workers department).
Regarding the Alliance each are powerful cause of their experience and training (Yukari, Eirin and Yuuka being the more powerful of them with Kanako, Suwako and Yuyuko coming second (in Yuyuko case cause of her unwillingness to use her power which thank all that's good for that cause she's be legitimately broken with it) do to age and in my opinion the two new members Miko and Byakuran being the weakest yet even the weakest are still powerful, Remilia does not count on the grounds that she is the YOUNGEST of them if you compare ages, that and the fact for all the good she tries to act like a Big Boss, Any of them (and two have already done this to her) can play her like a fiddle if they wish sad to say, If she'd stop being petty and stuck up along with that superiority complex of hers, she might be able to be considered one of them, Sad since Byakuren and Miko are also considered members like I stated and unlike the others like Remilia they are newcomers to Gensokyo, Poor Remi, Her lot is to be manipulated by her elders except those two as Byakuren isn't like that and Miko would never associate herself with a Youkai being Pro Human)
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There are rumors that Eirin is one of their gods? I thought she was banished simply because she made and also drank the Hourai Elixir that Kaguya took...
Sakuya's eyes aren't always red. They look almost silver in the DDC artwork. I like to think that Sakuya let Remi win so easily if the vampire hunter story is true. She was jaded to the hunt and was looking for purpose. Remi gave that to her. She wanted to give serving this vampire a shot. Turns out she loves it and has a drive to do her best with her powers now. I like to think Sakuya uses what little free time she has (when she's not fulfilling her mainly duties, resolving incidents, or having alone time with Remi) to keep herself in peak condition, with and without the Luna Dial...Maybe Remi would like watching her...
Yeah. Poor Remi indeed. Then again, there's not much incentive for her to change her persona. She has a mansion she's in charge of. She has several people that could be considered family. She has a maid who, even if not in love with her, loves serving her as she is and doesn't encourage her to change (my head canon is that Sakuya is the only one who COULD be in love someone like Remi for who she is willingly. Even if she doesn't necessarily in yours)...
Just be happy those sisters don't waltz to Gensokyo, ruin Eirin's life, and cause the worst incident this side of the Vampire Incident...
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That's why I said that Eirin Yagokoro might be a created identity she made very long ago, something about Kaguya made her act out of the character she portrayed herself as causing everything we know about her backstory leading up to her hiding from the Moon Law (LOL), She may be holding herself back or sealed her true power and form away to avoid being found out, Who know
Doubt it, It cheapens Remilia if you take away her charisma victories by saying she was allowed to win (As I said except Flandre, Remilia is the STRONGEST member of the SDM being it's mistress and all, Hell I see her as having fought and beaten Patchouli and Meiling in her past long before Sakuya, but instead of killing them she instead befriended them, Sakuya might have been jaded and alone till Remilia performed her Defeat means friendship on her, Now Sakuya has a purpose much bigger than simple Death hunting as well as never being alone again thanks to Meiling, Flandre and especially Remi (maybe Patchy but she just doesn't show it much LOL), I tend to look at the SDM girls as archetypes to the classing RPG classes, Meiling the Fighter (Powerful in Physical Battle, No so good with Magic), Sakuya the Rogue (The more balanced, Skillful and Resourceful class, plus fragile speedster and all), Patchouli the Mage (Self-explanatory), and Remi's the Hero (Great with Magic and a Powerful fighter at the same time, Balanced, Not to mention the leader of their group and the charismatic one), Flandre the Hidden Powerful broken Class in a RPG that you have to go through hell to unlock if you want to know (Cause she's Flan-Chan dammit), So yeah that (Sakuya's schedule is more open than that Incidents don't happen ever day, Plus following Remi without permission in IN was a one time thing, As note that she doesn't show up anymore after PFB till DDC as an MC (Yes I'm aware of SWR before you ask), Sakuya is either insuring everything is tip top shape in the mansion, insure Remilia keeps to her schedule, take care of Flandre, Oversee and bring Meiling her meals in which they spend sometime together cause at this point Remi is likely with Patchy in the mansion, Usually they have conversation for awhile or they spar with each other hence the exercise part as I don't think the two spar alone much when they have a viable sparing partner within range, Insure Remi needs are met, Sleep, Rinse and Repeat unless it's the time of all the incidents she was involved in of course, You kind of make her out to be an insane stalker, I think her loyalty to Remilia is strong if not stronger than Meiling as both are willing to die for her, But Sakuya might be willing to screw the heavens if it will meet to her mistress satisfaction, She'll avoid fighting enemies like Yukari unless otherwise (She may not take insults to her mistress well, But remember as a member of the SDM and the Head Maid at that she represents Remilia (Like How Ran represents Yukari as she does bear Yukari last name) meaning what she does and acts reflects back on Remilia herself, Sakuya knows this (and before the events of PFB she really didn't like her own fellow humans minus Reimu and Marisa somewhat till after her meeting with Eiki, She still dislikes humans but doesn't;t have OUTRIGHT hostility towards them much if not anymore)
Despite otherwise, Remilia IS aware of her limits, She'll act haughty to Yukari yes, But does have self preservation in mind and knows not to push the Gap Hag to far (Yukari is aware of this as well and amuses her because no matter how much she acts, she's worser than Cirno when it comes to being a Ted Baxter, so chooses to indulge her ego, Believe me if she wanted to severely torture Remi, She'd seal her half way into a wallface facing the rising sun, and make sure she's not instantly killed instead burn in pain, but this is Yukari, Her ego refuses to let her be baited into throwing a tantrum, so she refuses to lose her temper so easily, Believe me if she loses it, she's liable to TAKE OVER control, Force Reimu into becoming her Dragon and well, Touhou Mother's sequel is a good non-canon example, She wanted to rule over the humans as in take away their ability to rebel against Youkai period, Not turn them into cattle for the Youkai nope, She wanted to unsure what happen with Pokey (Them rebelling) NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN, and for all her talk in that game about how much the humans suck, it came off as more a speech to the Youkai to get them to side with her, She'd still let the humans live out their lives their way as normal, just as long as it doesn't result in rebelling against the natural order of things, Non-canon yes but reminds you that Yukari is one of the founders of Gensyoko being the one who set the ground work, She could potentially become a control freak (One Fanfic actually did this) who believes everything she does is the right thing and anyone who disagree is an idiot (Older Non-humans) or children who don't truly know what their doing and need to be guided to the right path or prevented from making fools of herself (Humans, younger non-humans), She will not tolerate anything that can't be contained, controlled aka 'Allied" with her (More likely follow her lead and s what she says) or thrown out (In that Fanfic it's Yuuka who's pretty much has the same motive plan as Dark Knight's Joker), As you said nothing short of a small few can threaten Yukari and not get humiliated (Like I said she's liable to do this more than kill/Horribly torture, oh yeah listen to this and tell me what you think www.youtube.com/watch?v=znkBQO…)
Than let us agree to disagree involving Sakuya motives than in our head canon's friend
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So, there's a Moon Judge Dredd saying he IS the law? He's probably looking for her. Oh, and it IS canon that Eirin is stronger than Kaguya...
Not necessarily. In mine, Remi would have won anyway. Just not quite as easily as if Sakuya enjoyed her vampire hunting. Sakuya just wanted to guarantee on her end that she'd lose, as opposed to the 1% chance that she'd win by going all-out...
Stalking and being in love is different. Especially since Remi lets her (they're already together by DDC in my head-canon). Yeah, she represents the Mansion...but if Remi died, Sakuya would go to the Afterlife just to try and get her back. Eiki probably wouldn't let that happen, so the next incident would happen with Sakuya avenging Remi...
We should be glad that Yukari is kind of too lazy to take a more proactive role in keeping the balance. She's the most powerful YOUKAI, but she's not the most powerful being. However, that won't matter. I portray Yukari and Reimu as being like mother and daughter. So...If someone were to kill Reimu, theeeeen we'd get Touhou Mother 2 levels of totalitaria...For whatever time they have left...
Very well. Yours isn't as weird as the guy who thinks Sakuya is one of many girls who only serve Remi because she manipulates her fate to make her do as she wishes...
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Kind of stated that already (Eirin is stronger than Kaguya) remember when I gave my thoughts on Touhou bosses, Stage doesn't mean power only difficulty because of skill in Danmaku and ability (Meiling is physically stronger and faster than Sakuya but Sakuya is agile and can use time magic, and Meiling is bad with Magic, she can use it but not at the level Sakuya can, and Patchouli is strong magic wise than both of them, But Stage 5 bosses usually have a gimmick to them (IN being an exception as it's Reisen not Eirin that has the gimmick being her insanity inducing eyes), Eirin is stronger than Kaguya but holds back mostly to avoid brining attention from the moon down on her as that was the point of IN and most likely since I believe all incidents were largely solved by Reimu with the other characters having aided her in one way or another, IN an exception since Marisa was a boss in that one with Alice no where in site or even mentioned, And since Yukari was with her, Eirin likely didn't want to attract to much of Yukari truly recognizing her for what she is (No need for Yukari deciding to look further into Eirin other than she was the greatest mind the Moon once had and the Moon sister's teacher, Cause she knows she's fucked if Yukari finds out she's her former nemesis as Yukari will most likely become fixated on putting the "Fear" of Youkai into
Remilia manipulation of Fate seems to be more along the lines of seeing it (Her whole fortune thing) and being able to change it with her charisma (I believe she changed her fate from GETTING SEALED by Reimu at the end of ESOD in a way for the whole mist thing that and Flandre afterwards LOL), She may have also changed the other girls in the SDM in a way (Becoming friends with Patchy a girl who seems to want to be left only to her books, and one wonders how theses two can be friends, Meiling and Sakuya may have had crappy pasts and Remilia ended up changing their fates by gaining their loyalty and services as her Head Gate Guard/Gardener and Head Maid Respectfully, Remilia is a spoiled brat yes, but she has depth to her, otherwise why have any of those three girls who are loyal to her then), Believe me I never make or allow a character to be TOO powerful without reason (Hence my ) and I dislike Zealot Sakuya (AKA the one who has no personality other than nosebleeding and some of the stupid things the fandom has portrayed her as, The only time she throws knives at Meiling is during their spars with each other, and I hate her Beats everyone status her more fanatically fans, give her especially if they turn up the harshness factor on Meiling by making her a useless Gate Guard who can't do her job, Okay stopping myself before I rant again) She has depth to her from all the canon information and She's very loyal to Remilia alongside Meiling but more so as she borders My Master Right or Wrong territory than Blind Zealotness, Example if Remilia asked both to where stupid clown outfits and Jump up into the air, Meiling would be likely to ask for a reason for it before complying in the end regardless of if the reason is stupid or not, Sakuya is likely to be in the outfit a second after she's ordered to and only ask how high does she want her to jump)
Yukari is less lazy and more of just letting the motions go as they are (Don't break what's not broken), She is lazy a bit, But than she's be doing Reimu's family job, She likes Reimu though Reimu survival seems to be her higher concern and interfering to much would cause Reimu to rely TOO heavily on her, Let's see what happens if Reimu has a daughter (AKA Heir to the Bloodline), Yukari would not outright abandon Reimu or anything she'd just likely stop Deus Ex Machina for her meaning She'll still help her out, but there's no longer any reason to protect Reimu anymore (For benevolent reasoning, By that Time Reimu will have been more than able to take care of herself no problem anyway, She'd have no reason to protect her since she can now protect herself)
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Yukari would maybe become the Major from Hellsing by your hypothesis...
This person pretty much took it as, for lack of a better term, mind control. Oh, and since I ship Remi with Sakuya, there would indeed have to be more to Remi than being a spoiled brat who shouts, "I'M CHARISMATIC! OBEY ME!" And I do think Sakuya has a personality besides...as you say, zealot. Just that her loyalty to Remi is pretty much her PRIMARY personality trait. She probably wouldn't kill Remi if she told her to (say, if Remi's possessed by an evil force, and she breaks free for a second). She does have a personality beyond that, being cold to ordinary humans and somewhat friendly with the Mansion...
Wait...they actually spar at times? I thought that was something I made up...
Reimu has been more than capable of handling herself since the beginning. And...well, not many grown-ups live with their parents when they don't need them anymore. Reimu would probably visit on occasion. By the way, if you ship Reimu as a lesbian and not with a magician, how would she procreate? Probably something to do with that Hakurei god...
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To each their own friend, I ship Meiling/Sakuya (Still loyal to Remilia both of them, Just That Body, Did I say I hate Lolicons)
anyway in all forms (Friendship, Older/little sister relationship, Lovers).
I don't ship Reimu/Marisa (I'm a Reimu/Remilia or Yukari fan and yes I said Remilia despite my earlier declaration of hating Lolicons, and Marisa/Alice), plus who says they can't procreate while being a couple (Either Magic which I call BS on everytime or the usual way, It's not strange for a lesbian couple to have a baby the other means, Old time style, Have a guy they trust or can pay to have sex (Since I'm using Feudal Era thinking since they don't have sperm banks) with the partner who will be having the baby simple) You have heard the term "Has two Mommies" right LOL
She does hate humans, Reimu and Marisa are exceptions (and even than Marisa is a lesser exception cause she's constantly trespassing into the SDM and making a mess, THAT SHE HAS TO CLEAN UP), She's never interacted with Sanae (as far as I know) and if she does go to the village it's only to resupply the mansions supplies and she keeps her hatred contained (I believe after the events of PFB did she mellow out, she still prefers non-humans over humans not named Reimu)
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Indeed, though someone like Sakuya would probably very easily get past that...Unless someone, even teasingly (Remi), calls her a pedophile for it. Yeah, that would be a way to incite REMI'S wrath in my Gensokyo...
I do prefer Reimu with Marisa. Yeah, you must LOVE most of the MariAli shippers who go by the fanon Alice. I'm pretty sure that unlike Meiling, THAT Alice is what's most popular, especially given that it's one of, if not THE, most popular Touhou shipping...
I usually go by the assumption that they'd rather not have sex with anyone but each other. Magic...is about the most plausible explanation I can think of. Let's face it: Magic can do whatever it wants in Gensokyo...
Everyone beaten by Reimu usually ends up liking Reimu (unless Mamizou still didn't). They just hope Marisa doesn't tag along on days when she feels like hanging out with Reimu. She IS the human (maybe) who behaves like a youkai...
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Poor Alice, the only thing from the fanon I like involving Alice is the Tsundere parts (Cause in a funny way her interactions with Marisa in canon scream this) otherwise I like Alice as a Character (Wish ZUN would make her a MC, Loved how she uses her dolls in SWR, I like Puppeteers ever since Kankaro and Sasori from Naruto Back when you could say it was good and not get laughed out the room)
It's Gensokyo, Like Sanae said, you leave "Common Sense" Behind (Like a certain Mecha anime I know where rule of cool RULES supreme, Punching your mates is the perfect way of waking them from their BSOD's and Drills are the route of all existence)
Mamizou likes Reimu, Just views her as a bit too harsh on Youkai (Speaking of her she is no longer affiliated with Byakuren's group minus Nue after the events of HM)
I just now discovered Ran is both an EX Boss who Mid-Bosses for an EX Boss and the only Phantasm (I know misspell so sue me) boss of the series, She is awesome (I like Foxes and Cats, Ironic since I love Ran and Chen)
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I...really don't know what to make of Alice, really. I mean, I guess it's cool how she makes weaponized dolls with gunpowder filling...
That's why I say Gensokyo is where common sense goes to die. Just look at the aforementioned Sanae...
She thinks Reimu's harsh? She better not catch her on a really bad day where Reimu actually wants to try because she wants to decimate her foes...
Yes...Why didn't you think Ran was an extra boss as well as the Phantasm (you spelled it right) midboss? One of my buddies actually has Ran as one of his favorites. I like Ran because she's a kitsune...Who fires thousands of bullets in your general direction...
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But than Sanae falls victim to Blood Knight and runs the risk of turning from a God Bloodline Human into a Youkai if she keeps it up (So killing a thousand Youkai to become one does exist in canon funny, Miko's don't have to worry provided they don't overdue it and purify themselves, That and No one dies, But I think it's the whole Malice thing of being humiliated by a human that causes this not the killing part)
Ran is a Nine Tailed Fox, I be surprised that she's weak otherwise, Now you want My Master Right or Wrong, Don't look at Sakuya, Look at Ran who canonwise is comically abused by Yukari LOL
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Wait...it does? And at least we have Reimu to stop her if she actually tries (out of curiosity)...
Remi and Sakuya have mutual respect for each other (they're at least friends in canon...well, Sherlock and John level of friends. Sakuya's John, of course). Ran's pretty much around because she's a shikigami and thus bound to her mistress...In a way besides saving of life/defeat...
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But Remember, she bears the name Yakumo, Yukari is what you would call Youkai Nobility so a servant bearing her mistress last name has a DEEP meaning too it would you not agree. (Remi doesn't count she's a Vampire who are aristocratic by default, but not by Youkai standards)
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I see. On the note of Yukari, what do you make of Maribel? I'm sorry if you've already told me...
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Could be an incarnation of her in the outside world, Who knows but ZUN, Hell the times we see her and Renko might be the far future (Renko did talk about taking a trip to the moon) so she might be a reincarnation (Meaning Yukari died, but she's powerful enough to influence her reincarnation LOL), But that an assumption
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Some think that due to time travel, she BECOMES Yukari. I have little to no opinion, though it could make for a way to make Yukari scared when she's being pummeled (trauma freezing her from using her power). Make her be beaten by the image of Renko...
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LOL funny
Outside your Remi/Sakuya pairing, What others do you got
(I'll give at least one other than Meiling/Sakuya that I like and that's Kanako/Suwako)
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What's funny? I'd write it is horrifying. Yukari would be beaten to near-death by an image of her best friend in a previous life. There's nothing funny about that. Only thing worse (in my Gensokyo) would be if the image of Reimu was the one beating her. Someone she essentially raised (I think that Reimu's mother was...distant, back when she was around) as her own (while also helping a bit with basic training as a Hakurei. VERY basic, considering they never taught her about her god). It would also at least answer why Yukari doesn't just beat the challenger in nine seconds.
It's the closest I have to an OTP. As you saw, I do kinda like the idea of Reimu and Marisa because Marisa DOESN'T HATE REIMU in canon. The drive to get better could be partly admiration instead of jealousy. Besides that...I dunno...
Kanako and Suwako did essentially act as Sanae's surrogate parents. Granted, like the Hakurei, we don't know how blood family works with the Moriya (though Sanae has the benefit of being related to Suwako)...
On a completely different note, kind of funny how Gengetsu is considered the most fearsome being in Gensokyo by ZUN simply because of one time-out phase that I don't even think you have to do...
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