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Welcome to the beginning of a brand new Tournament.This time, instead of one on one, or five on five, we're talking Army vs. Army. Each lead by its own general.
And kicking off the Tournament are two generals who are anything but human.
Swarmlord: A creature of darkest nightmares that has preyed on empires and overseen the extinction of entire civilizations. It possess a unique autonomy from the Hive Mind, and is the pinnacle of the evolution of the Hive Tyrant bioform. His bone sabers can slice through adamantium and force fields as if they were nothing.
General Grevious: A cybernetic warrior with no peer, Grevious is a master of lightsaber combat who has slaughtered Jedi like a wolf would a lamb; and has lead his droid troops to astounding victories. With each new victory, he takes the blade of his enemy as a trophy.
Now these two, and their armies, are going to wage war on each other in a battle that will leave whatever unfortunate planet plays host to them a barren wasteland.
You've met the generals, now take a look at their armies: [link]
Soon the war will begin. What side will you stand with?
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Swarmlord feats? And bear in mind that I am very, very, very limited in my WH40K knowledge, so power-scaling off characters I know nothing about won't work for me. If you mention someone else, I need a sense of what they can do also.
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The Tyranids Hive Mind usually depend on the endless numbers to simply overwhelm their foes.Β
There are however a bunch of Tyranid creatures created for more flexible and tactical approaches. The swarmlord is probably the most powerful of them all.
- It is intelligent enough to match some of the best commanders in the galaxy in terms of tactical genius being able to access quite a lot of the hive minds potential.
- In single combat it can keep up and defeat anything up to Space Marine Champions like Marneus Calgar which is considered as on of the finest Space Marines around.
- Moving fast enough to fight Eldar.Β
- The Swarmlord has strong regenerative abilities. Able to surviveΒ otherwise deadly hits.
- It's also said to be very experienced. Gathering all knowledge from all the countless battles it has fought.Β
- The Swarmlord shows more signs of a independentΒ consciousness on the battlefield than any other Tyranids creature (except Lictors maybe).Β
- It has enchanced senses able to process information in nano seconds.Β
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The Swarmlord is a beast on the battlefield but it would be slow compared to how nimble Grevious is. Grevious's lightsabers can cut through anything, still those boneswords could resist them.
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Damn... Grevious may be my favorite prequel character, at least in the 2003 clone wars series, but the Swarmlord has far more experience and power than Grevious. Everyone has already said the advantages of both characters in other comments, but I would have to go with the Swarmlord as the winner in this battle. I doubt even a jedi master, or masters, could take that thing down.
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I like Grevious in clone wars and the comic series, because he is acutally interesting there.
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For the armies...depends almost entirely on the number. Since they both have the good old tactic of "Hey, let's show them how many we are!", the fatest to reduce their opponents number would probably be the winners. But when it comes to their generals...
Man, I really like Grevious, but since he has no pyschic powers and has "only" superhuman strength, I think he can't win. Not that he can't offer a good fight (he still can do a lot of damage with his lightsabers), but the Swarmlord is just too much: he can use pyschic powers, does not feel pain or fear (which is one of Grevious' best weapons), is far taller and stronger than his opponent (therefore has a greater range and only need to touch his opponent once) and he doesn't even need a weapon with a body like this.Β
Sad decision but I can only the Swarmlord as a winnerΒ
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hate to say it. The swarmlord would EAT grevious. Swarmlord is bigger, has more competent henchmen (when in synapse). Is far superior in close combat than grevious, and has something close enough to the force where the swarmlord does not even need to be in grvious's face in the first place.
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Probably not a bad idea to give Grievous a rough stat line up, considering that 3 is peak human, 4 is space marine level metahuman and 5 is probably alex mercer level superhuman. Grievous would probably get a lot of 4s and 5s, enough to take a space marine quite easily and even go up against space marine special units. Just not enough to go up against a 30 ft tall tank throwing monster that wiped out the best the ultramarines had without much trouble.
In army terms, if the CIS was a lot smarter and had a very good defensive position they might do well. If they could target synapse and drive the tyranids back before they broke they could even win. But generally the droids and portrayed as really simple and used more as simple walking guns, trying to overwhelm with numbers and lack of moral. Using this tactic against tyranids is like trying to overfeed a fat kid, ust not going to work.
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CLOSE COMBAT
Grievous would win fairly easily. He is cleverer than 30 Jedi's minds combined, can take on 7 Jedi including 2 Jedi council members at once and still win (before his organs got squished just before Episode III, hence the coughing), and knows how to use the terrain and intimidation.Β
ARMY BATTLE
Swarmlord's army is WAY more powerful than Grievous's (IF Grievous doesn't have Annihilator Scorpenek droids). So Swarmlord's dudes can easily scrap GG's droid army. Though *maybe* Grievous would come up with a plan to defeat his opponent, after all, he's a military genius.Β
Or he could just use a Defoliator tank to wipe out Swarmlord's army in a matter of seconds.
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Close combat the swarmlord would win, first off a psyker so could just use Warp blast and blow him up, or the fact that swarmlord has Eons of experience of fighting, oh and is technically immortal.
the defoliator would work once, just once before the hive mind adapts to nullify the weakness
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Except the fact that they would be all dead before adapting to it.
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Right ignoring the fact they woukd of adapted to it, and it would NO LONGER work on them, Even Nurgle (Chaos god of disease and othe fun stuff, basically an eldritch abomination that makes cthulhu look cuddly), failed to stop them, he would unleash a disease on them, it would kill a few, they would adapt and be immune to it.
Super weapons like defoliator are not an option against tyranids, too awesome but impractical against them
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And? The nids would just harvest biomatter elsewhere, to replace units, the Hive Mind cares not for casualties, it counts biomatter not bodies. The tyranids are a truly alien faction, where normal methods of fighting wars count for nothing. Commaders smarter and with more experience than Greivous have been laid low by the Swarmlord, for e.g. Marneus Calgar, at the Battle of Maccrage, sure the Ultramarines won in the end but it was phyrric, Marneus Calgar was on life support after losing to the Swarlord, with his honour guard being reduced from 30 guys to a mere handful
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Then they'd just shoot again. Rinse and repeat.
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You're ignoring points made by the opposition. Also, Swarmlord would win. He basically has jedi powers on steroids, being able to use his psychic presence to explode grievous' head. In melee, he is stupidly fast, described as being able to put up a wall of blades, and this is without any lame spinning gimmicks. In terms of intelligence, the Swarmlord wins, having a consciousness that is powered by the Hivemind. In battlefield tactics, he also wins, considering he has probably hundreds of thousands of years of experience, and many more victories than defeats.
Also, defoliators might work on a small portion of the nids before they adapted, then they'd get overrun. While scorpeneks, may prove an issue for a time, the most likely have little defence against ravellers, trogons, and mawlocs attacking from below.
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As I said before they would adapt very, very quickly, you would probably get one shot or two off before they nullify that advantage, dont belive me? Read up on Hive Fleet Gorgon
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So, why is Grievous the choice for this match up and not Dooku?
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Because the match was CIS/Tyranids, and this was to be the match between the two leaders. And for the CIS, that was the General.
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Fair enough, since Dooku was more a political leader. He belongs a in match against the Covenant Hierarchs or the Citadel Council.
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The hierarchs would be the better choice, as they at least have battle potential (albeit not a lot), while the Citadel Council just... doesn't seem to offer much outside of being politicians.
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I mostly meant that comment as a joke. I mean come on, who wouldn't want to see one those guys arguing with a Dooku or Sidious, say some BS before getting their neck snapped via the Force?
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Council: Ah yes 'The Force' the so called mystical energy that flows through the cosmos. We have dismissed such claims of its existence.
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Sidious: Your arrogance blinds you to reality. Now experience how real The Force truly IS! (commences with his electric shock torture)
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Why is this even in question? at least make it Sidious vs Swarmlord or something
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Yeah swarmlord would absolutely obliterate grievous. Would be hilarious to see grievous make some one liners only to be hacked to pieces in moments
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I really don't want to go into details on this, but the Swarmlord would win just by sheer experience and genetic skill alone. In the Hivemind's entire existence, the Swarmlord has probably come up against and defeated a hundred generals exactly like Grevious. Also, I'm pretty sure that the alien crystals at the core of its Bonesabers could conceivably block or even interfere with a Lightsabre. So, again, I'm pretty sure the Swarmlord would have a cakewalk victory in this case.
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If we're talking about the new, 2008 clone-wars version of Grievous, Swarmlord probably wins.
But if we're talking about the old, 2003 clone-wars version of Grievous, then Swarmlord simply doesn't stand a chance.
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i think Grevious has a chance at wining on a 1v1 because of his agility and the Lightsabers (it swings at him and he just cuts its apendages)
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Swarm lord stomps on greivous, swarm lord wins
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What the fuck did Grievous ever do to you?
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so scarecrow who do you think would win and what advantages would they have another
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I've already been beaten down here by people telling me that Grevious could not beat the Swarmord in direct combat. He has a longer reach, his defense is better, and his mental attacks are absolutely brutal, even to one such as the General. I would argue that Grevious could win, if only by cheating and using underhanded tactics (ex: He's locked in that stance where each has their four swords locked with each other⦠then, using his weird foot-hand grabs a blaster and shoots the Swarmlord in the face). It may not kill him right off, but I think he may win. But so many people have disagreed, telling me it wouldn't work.
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The swarmlord can easily withstand a HAIL of BOLTER fire, this is literally the deadliest combatant the tyranid race can field, he could eat grevious alive, activated light sabers and all and not even bat an eye.
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I both love grevious and the swarmlord but considering the feats the swarmlord has, destroying worlds learning from every death he has died and adapted strategy and learned over numerous lives. His combat skill is out of league with grevious with his own lifespan and limited weaponry. I mean bone swords are just stupid enough already wielded even by a warrior can kill a lot of things but a swarmlord can swing his sword faster than the eye could move. Not to mention his bio mancy and psychic powers which allows him to be even worse than bare bones. He isn't the strongest named character for nothing. But look at the bright side if you had something that had extremely well placed range the swarmlord slow butt is pretty much trumped over, this is also to mention it is the best melee combat unit in the tabletop making you reroll for invulnerability saves haha god it sucks.
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The Warhammer 40K Universe is basically constructed on the "Awesome but impractical" Trope (Just go find it on TvTropes.com) and thus the comparison between any kind of WH40K and SW is doomed in its conception. Without going to the extremes of the Tyranids, who literally eat worlds (no seriously, it's their only reason of existence), even the more "normal" factions of 40K are stunningly, almost comically overpowered.
Take the Imperial Guard for example: no superhuman abilities of any kind, just men and women in flak-jackets with laser-guns and a little tank-support... BILLIONS OF THEM!!! Honestly, a single Imperial Guard Battallion is described as being comprised of millions of soldiers and thousands of tanks and aircraft.
And then you have the Tyranids, who are described as the apex predators. Also they are truly without number, since their dead are eaten, digested, and reformed in thier brood pools. So basically you fight the guys, you shot just an hour earlier.
Also the Swarmlord has literally thousands of years of experience on his side and is only deployed by the Hive Mind, when the usual strategies don't work, and true tactical genius is required. In the new codex he has also gotten a few new Psi-Powers, among them Iron-Arm, which basically makes him immune to everything but artillery shells and carpet bombing, but also Warp-Speed, which paired with his already stunning Close Combat abilities, will transform his swords into a virtual blade-storm coming your way.
I've been playing him for a while now, and he really reads like a flowchart:
- Is the Swarmlord in Close Combat?
Β - NO: Get into Close Combat!
Β - YES: Win Close Combat!
So, as much as Grevious has been the terror of Jedis all over the Galaxy, he has found his match!
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um a Regiment is placed at a few thousand people not millions
you are using hyperbole (overreacting)
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Duh, 'nids. At least even Guardsmen can hit their target...
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this is why i hate fucking Lucas he made the bad guys complete idiots
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I agree with you brother.Β
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i hate tyrandis but i think the swarmlord would win :/
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Star Wars vs W40k is not really fair.
The point of 40k is that is extreamly overdone overpowered grimmdark huge galaxy of millions of planet in constant ground and space war between a bunch of factions and with very limited use of weapons of mass desctruction. (but there exist plenty)
Star Wars universe is more of a fun sci-fantasy setting where there of course is a war between 2 or maybe 3 factions time to time and planet busting weapons like the death star it isn't as overdone since it wasn't created to be this huge horrible scine war movie but a fun fantasy movie and the fact that almost every ship has a hyperdrive system or how blasters work or why everyone is using them isn't as important as the stories that happen. (I haven't read to much expanded universe and I try to avoid most prequal related stuff so other stuff might exist ther that I don't know of).
However on to the grevious vs the swarmlord.
The Swarmlord is one of my least favourite Tyranid unit since it looks stupid with those 4 bone sabers and the try to retcon him into stories where he dosen't belong but he is strong really strong. He is a huge exoskeleton clad monster and must be at lest 3 times the size of grevious. Despite this he is really fast for his size being able to parry most attacks with his sabres. The bonesabres are made of very strong bone with a unatural crystal inside it that prodouces a hard outer layer for the swords that makes it cut trough heavy armor and tanks like butter ( and that's tanks and armor in the 40k universe). He is also a very strong psyker able to crush people with his mind make unable to move or make them go mad with fear or suck the life out of them. The only thing grevious have against him is that he has 4 limbs to attack him with and since lightsabres can cut trough almost everything it would cut trough the Swarmlords exoskeleton.
Grevious is a really boring character put into the third prequal movie withhout any build up or backstory and get's but down by a blaster shot or 2 in the chest and then forgotten about (I don't really lik either of these two characters). If there extist stuff outside the movie about him I don't know any of it except that he was some kind of repitial overlord or something. He have killed at least a handfull jedi's so he is should be able to keep up to begin with but as we see then he faces obi-wan in the third prequal movie he easily disarms grevious and since the Swarmlord is at least as fast as a jedi he would probably be able to crush him with one blow since grevious can't even tank blaster shots. Then of course he could just break Grevious with his psychic abilities.
In a 1 on 1 between these two I think Swarmlord win 9/10 times. You can't really beat a 40k faction or characther with something from the Star Ward movies. (expanded universe maybe have som suprises). If you want to put something up against 40k u need to bring out som heavy hitters from science fiction series.
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If you knew anything about Grievous and his army, you'd know that he has a pretty good backstory (but of course you haven't read anything about him) and is WAY cleverer than Swarmlord. In the third episode, he had his organs squished (hence the coughing), and it was a miracle that he could still use his cybernetic body, let alone fight.Β
On a one-on-one battle, Swarmlord would probably kick Grievous's ass (unless the latter comes up with a genius plan), and on an army battle, Swarmlord's army would scrap Grievous's unless he has Scorpenek Tanks and/or Defoliators. If he has just one or two of them then he could crush SL pretty easily.
(PS. Watch the 2003 clone wars, that's where Grievous was introduced. Watch the Battle of Hypori and you'll quickly change your opinion about him.)
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Imperium vs SW-SW wins dont deny it
Tau,Eldar,Dark Eldar vs SW-SW again due to massive numbers
Chaos vs SW-im betting on Chaos
Tyranids vs SW-if SW can hold the nids with stuff like World Devastators or Galaxy Guns they can possibly win
Orks vs SW-SW can probably win due to bio weapons that could be made to kill only Orks
Necrons vs SW-if the Necrons are not fully awoken then SW can destroy the Tomb Worlds
P.S. did you know SW has pretty much the same guns as the Necrons? check out Disruptors
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A lot of people who don't know much about 40k don't realize that everything in the setting is meant to be op. Star Wars infantry grade lasers, shoot somebody in the head and they've a nice cauterized hole. 40k FLASHLIGHTS, shoot somebody in the head and their head explodes.
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Damn straight. Kids that think a piss weak SW space navy that dies the second their shields are down can ever beat 40k. If you want to be like those ever arguing kids at Spacebattles who forget the purpose of the hobby which is to enjoy it, then I can mention that those "calculations"people have made place some of the turbolasers mounted on the 20km Star Dreadnoughts to to completely incomparable to a Nova Cannon. With the FUCKHUEG Imperial Navy (of the God Emperor) and the SPHESS MUHREENS 40k wins the battle before SW even knows whats happening...
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okay i know grevious is from star wars but what about the other guy scarecrow what show is he from
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He's from the Warhammer 40K franchise. I rather expansive sci-fi series set in a dystopian future.
General Information on the series as a whole can be found here: [link]
While more specific information can be found: [link] and here: [link]
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