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Welcome to the beginning of a brand new Tournament.This time, instead of one on one, or five on five, we're talking Army vs. Army. Each lead by its own general.
And kicking off the Tournament are two generals who are anything but human.
Swarmlord: A creature of darkest nightmares that has preyed on empires and overseen the extinction of entire civilizations. It possess a unique autonomy from the Hive Mind, and is the pinnacle of the evolution of the Hive Tyrant bioform. His bone sabers can slice through adamantium and force fields as if they were nothing.
General Grevious: A cybernetic warrior with no peer, Grevious is a master of lightsaber combat who has slaughtered Jedi like a wolf would a lamb; and has lead his droid troops to astounding victories. With each new victory, he takes the blade of his enemy as a trophy.
Now these two, and their armies, are going to wage war on each other in a battle that will leave whatever unfortunate planet plays host to them a barren wasteland.
You've met the generals, now take a look at their armies: [link]
Soon the war will begin. What side will you stand with?
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i just have one question in this scenario general grevious would lead his army would he have help from the sith lords also would he have help from any bounty hunter hired in the past such as Cad Bane, Jango Fett, Bulba Fett i think thats a fair question to ask?
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Ah, well let's see: There's Asajj Ventress, and Aura Sing...and he has Cad Bane, as well as Durge. Aside from the first two, in terms of Sith Aid he has the Dark Side Acolytes (all 20 members of their order), who are slightly below full Sith Lord level. He also has 'The Believers' individuals who possess minor level to near zero Force abilities, but who are fanatically devoted to the Dark Side.
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If he has Durge and Ventress, then Swarmlord is soooo f#cked.
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'A cybernetic Warrior with no Peer'
Gets his ass handed to him everytime he fights anyone besides a clone trooper.
I've got to hand it to the Swarmlord on this one, Grevious' key weakness is his organs and if he comes close to any bio-spores than odds are he will be having biomass engulfing them, which I am told is quite painful :S
Not too mention that the swarmlord is of a gigantic size, and it's warp prowess makes it a tad broken
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Hmm, looks like somebody watched the BS show 'The Clone Wars'.
Oh, and in the third episode, Grievous had his organs squished (hence the coughing), and it was a miracle that he could still use his cybernetic body, let alone fight. So he did a pretty good job. And his organs are sealed. He can't be infected with anything, or can't get cold/hot. As I said, his chest got crushed just before Episode III, so it was no longer sealed since there was no time to repair his cybernetic body.
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I luv them both how can I ever decide... It's pretty even it's really gonna be the first one to get wounded is gonna be the one to lose
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i dont know much about grevious or ever heard of the other guy
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Isn't it odd that Obi-Wan keeps getting his ass handed to him by Grevious's mentor, Count Dooku, and yet he was the only one able to beat Grevious when so many other Jedi have tried and failed?
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A little bit, yeah.
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And with a blaster too, a weapon he dislikes. More to the irony.
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Oh...kay. The Swarmlord wins. The Bonesabers will hold up to lightsabers, as they hold up to power weapons. Power weapons shroud themselves in a projected field of disruptive energy, functioning akin to the projected plasma of a lightsaber. Now we factor in the Swarmlords horrifying strength and physical size, and almost unparalleled close quarters combat ability. Let's say Gervious manages to parry the Swarmlord, but is locked in that sort of "I'm holding your blades back by pushing at them with my blades" sort of scene. If lightsabers can block the Bonesabers, Grevious will shortly find his insides meeting his outsides due to a lethal dose of lightsaber (i.e. the Swarmlord pushes hard enough and Grevious stabs himself). If lightsabers have no real physical mass, then the Bonesabers will just swish through and cut Grevious in half a al Darth Maul. Because of the Swarmlords physical size, his reach would be MASSIVE and so he could honestly hack away at Grevious with no real fear of retaliation.
Now, onto my main point: Earlier when you were talking with ak47pwner, you mentioned that the 40k universe "It seems to go out of its way to make all factions, powers, and named characters (and their abilities) absurdly more powerful then those of others series, for no apparent reason. Like it saw what other series had, took it, twisted it, then ramped it up."
Well, no not really. I don't think they take things from other series so much as all creative processes draw on human experience and so there may be some overlap, intentional or not. Also, the reason the factions, powers, and named characters are all more powerful then other series is that IN the 40k series, they actually balance each other out. Like, if we compared the Star Wars universe to the Avatar series, Star Wars would seem freaking over powered too, right? Even if that is a bad example, the main point is that different series and settings each have different power levels. Comparing fan bases like this never ends well either, because it becomes an emotionally fraught argument that will almost always boil down to "Yah-huh" and "Nuh-uh".
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While I am still mulling over CIS vs. Tyranids, I think the Swarmlord has this one. His boneswords are either equal if not better then the lightsabers, and unlike Grievous we have never seen him actually hurt lore-wise, such is his skill as a fighter. In addition to that, his psychic powers allow him to beat him down at range, as Grievious's brain is still organic. That and an incalacable amount of years in skill, given that Tyranids have consumed at least 1 galaxy before, with the number "12" thrown around before
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I have to disagree. Grievous fought and killed many Jedi in his lifetime, and the power of the Force can affect all but the strong willed. Surely one of the Jedi had to try and attack him mentally? Let's also not forget the Sith in his own army; he isn't unfamiliar with some of the darker, dirty tricks a mental attack can use.
And he still has the droids on his side. Mechs beat squishy organics every time.
Just send the Octuptarra combat tri-droid at it to drop its virus pay-load.
And lightsabers should be able to cut through Swarmlord exoskeleton!
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"And he still has the droids on his side. Mechs beat squishy organics every time.
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Not in the 40k universe. The 40k universe is generally though to be above Star Wars in terms of combat ability, and the Tyranids have slaughtered a group that used 150 tall giant mechs everywhere and that actually worshipped machines.
Psykers are more powerful in 40k then Star Wars, with known feats including the the psionic destruction of entire worlds, mind controlling 1300 systems at once, and for the Swarmlord pretty much mind controlling the entire Tyranid swarm.They call upon the Warp, which is a more destructive entity then the force (not to mention far more malevolent).
As for attacking him mentally I think he could do so even if you assumed Warp and Force are equal (which I personally don't believe they are).
"Psychic Shriek: The Swarmlord is capable of unleashing a scream of mental power so immense that anybody unfortunate enough to hear will have their minds wracked with pain. Particularly psychically attuned individuals have actually been observed to have their heads outright explode from this."
- Psychically attuned would be Jedi in the Star Wars universe, and only the very strongest, such as Calgar, have been observed fending off its attacks (but then again Calgar is likely mentally stronger then Yoda). For Grevious it would just cause him immense pain.
"Paroxysm: The Swarmlord mentally projects such unbelievable agony into its preyβs body that the target becomes incapable of fighting back as the beast encroaches upon them."
He might be able to resist this, but the key here is resist. I am confident that he will not be able to forgo the effects completely, as again even the most powerful figures in 40k can't (need I bring up the God Emperor for why Warp users trump Jedi users in terms of power?)
"Leech Essence: The Swarmlord is able to forcibly rip the life force right out of the bodies of those it is near, using their life essence to heal its own wounds.
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This isn't a psionic move, and Grievious shouldn't have any resistance to it.
As for the lightsaber the problem is that 40k again has them in terms of Force weapons- which are actually stronger because they Phase through an opponents defense to cut up the man/beast holding them. The Swarmlord has never been successfully hit, even when fighting people that used these weapons such as the Chapter Master and his elite bodygaurds. In addition to that he has about 12 galaxies worth of skill over Grievious's relatively brief training, as well as the ability to swing his bonesabers so fast nothing can hit him.Again in his entirehistory he has never lost a 1 vs 1 duel, and even in game the only person capable of 1 vs 1 killing him is a Eldar Avatar (who carry an aspect of the Eldar war god in them) and Abbaddon the Despoiler, a ten thousand year old space marine blessed by four chaos gods.
As for Grevious he has lost plenty of duels in the T.V. series, and though he wasn't able to effected mentally by the Jedi they were able to hurt him numerous times (like when Windu crushed his lungs).
I am talking about one on one here of course
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See, this is why I can't enjoy the 40K-verse. It seems to go out of its way to make all factions, powers, and named characters (and their abilities) absurdly more powerful then those of others series, for no apparent reason. Like it saw what other series had, took it, twisted it, then ramped it up.
Oh, the Force can control someone's mind? Psyker's control whole solar systems without even trying!
*Sigh* sorry, I just had to get that out.
Now, I'd like to argue that Paroxysm shouldn't work. Grievous doesn't have a body that is capable of pain, and the brain itself has no pain receptors. So when he starts feeling some pain in his metal limbs, he should know it's not real, and be able to shove that off.
His training with the sword may be brief, but his talent is great, and his cyber-limbs should be just as fast as Swarmlord's. And the one good thing to come from defeat, is you can learn from it. Grievous may be arrogant and pompous, but he isn't so stupid that he is incapable of learning from past trials (he can also cheat like nobodies business... I'm not sure how one cheats a Swarmlord right now, but I stand by my premise). All a lifetime of winning will do is instill a sense of arrogance and invulnerability that will hurt you in the long run. Grievous loved to instill misconceptions in his foes, tricking them into falling for traps that left him standing over their broken bodies.
I'm not saying it won't be one of the toughest battles of the general's life (hell, he may die from injuries soon afterwards if he's not careful), but I feel he could pull off a win... probably.
This is, of course, just one on one. In the middle of a war going on; well that introduces a LOT of X-Factors.
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I know that you made this a while ago, but I feel like I have to correct a few glaring errors here.
"See, this is why I can't enjoy the 40K-verse. It seems to go out of its way to make all factions, powers, and named characters (and their abilities) absurdly more powerful then those of others series, for no apparent reason. Like it saw what other series had, took it, twisted it, then ramped it up.Β
Oh, the Force can control someone's mind? Psyker's control whole solar systems without even trying!"
While this is an ad hominem and largely irrelevant to a battle between the Swarmlord and Grievous, Doctor Who - as ak47pwner pointed out - is far, far worse in the "overpowered" department; and that's coming from someone who's been watching the show since before they could walk.
"Now, I'd like to argue that Paroxysm shouldn't work. Grievous doesn't have a body that is capable of pain, and the brain itself has no pain receptors. So when he starts feeling some pain in his metal limbs, he should know it's not real, and be able to shove that off."
Oh, OK. Is that why he was screaming in agony when Obi-wan shot him in the chest?
"His training with the sword may be brief, but his talent is great, and his cyber-limbs should be just as fast as Swarmlord's."
How so? The Swarmlord is able to overpower Space Marine Chapter Masters in close combat; a Chapter Master is the strongest Space Marine in the chapter (as the name implies) and a regular Space Marine cannot only survive getting shot in the head by someone with a laspistol, but also jump across the room and kick their head off before they can pull the trigger again. And the Swarmlord laughs at that shit.
"And the one good thing to come from defeat, is you can learn from it. Grievous may be arrogant and pompous, but he isn't so stupid that he is incapable of learning from past trials (he can also cheat like nobodies business... I'm not sure how one cheats a Swarmlord right now, but I stand by my premise)."
Having watched both Episode 3 and a few episodes of the Clone Wars cartoon, I really don't see exactly how he learns from his mistakes. Would you care to list an example? Because that "lightsaber buzzsaw" tactic he used in Revenge of the Sith was just ridiculous.
"All a lifetime of winning will do is instill a sense of arrogance and invulnerability that will hurt you in the long run. Grievous loved to instill misconceptions in his foes, tricking them into falling for traps that left him standing over their broken bodies."
Except won't work with the Swarmlord. Why? Because the Swarmlord was specifically created by the Tyranid Hive Mind to be the best strategist possible, and the Hive Mind - and by extension, all Tyranids - has no sense of arrogance. It has no ego to stroke. It is completely and utterly alien; everything it does is entirely logical.
Anyway, sorry if this offends you or anything, I just thought I should clear this up.
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you would scream in agony to if someone shot you in your internal organs.
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True, but I was responding to his claim that Grievous couldn't feel pain.
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valid point. but also his organs are hooked directly into his spinal column so it would surprise me if he would feel that.
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It doesn't offend me, you're right in many ways. This was written during a point when I knew very little about Warhammer. As it stands now, though I still wouldn't call this my preferred franchise (and by god do I HATE the Tyranids), I can admit (though it pains me intensely to do so) that Grevious likely doesn't stand a ghost of a chance against the Swarmlord.
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I can think of at least ten guys from Doctor Who who could just press a button and kill all the Tyranids at once if it makes you feel better.
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Heck, if it were the Time Lords, getting killed would be the most merciful thing to happen to the Tyranids.
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Time Lords? You're not thinking big enough.
The Eternals are equal in power to the Q Continuum from Star Trek.
The Guardians of Time feel the most horrible, vicious, devastating attack that an Eternal can inflict as "a light summer breeze."
The Grace are above the Guardians of Time.
...And you thought 40k was overpowered? X)
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Your first paragraph said it all man. It's so over the top grimdark that it frequently goes all the way around and becomes comedic. That's why comparisons like these don't really make sense.
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Ahhh I agree somewhat, but couldn't we the same about the good Doctor and his factions? While I would argue that they (the who factions like dales and cyber men but NOT the doctor) suffer heavily in competence they have absurdly powerful superweapons, and the novels take this even farther with the ability to make a trillion sontariens in a hour( one-upping the nids), daleks blow up planets easily, and other ridiculousness (good thing most people don't regard the books as cannon). At least for 40k the lore is designed for SOME balance ( in game Eldrad, abaddon and kaldor draigo all stand a good chance of beating the swamlord) while in the who series doesn't it seem a little boring after a while? I know the ending of every episode without watching it, and that is the doctor wins, whether its through his own smarts, horrible enemy incompetence, or a combination of both. It seems like the entirety of the show is to make the doc seem invincible, whereas at least the 40k guys, even the gods, have in-universe counters. I also think personally tyranids vs CIS is a fair fight, with both sides having a good chance of winning(though in a duel setting it continues to be my opinion the swarmlord wins). I'd debate the pain thing. While I can't link on my iPhone I suggest looking up windu vs Grevious or even the end of the Grevious - obi wan fight. While much of his body is cybernetic, his brain and organs are not, and both cause him pain like when windu crushed his lungs. You must also remember that he wasn't fighting a ordinary human in that duel. He was fighting space marines, beings that seem like blurrs to ordinary humans, that are far stronger and more durable. And the swarmlord seemed like a blurr to them. And the chapter master had(at the time) more experience then any Jedi but yoda, the most powerful weapons and armor, a brilliant mind and all the best traits of the space marines. The swarmlord still owned him. As for cheating, while the swarmlord hasn't cheated yet its mostly because he hasn't needed too, as nids have no concept of honor. See the example of the eldar avatar and a hive tyrant in the profile. In addition the swarmlord did successly prevent sm troops from reaching their leader in time, showing he planned for their intervention. In addition he has the strongest armor of the tyranids troops, and I personally don't think the grievance striker will do anything to it. I agree about it being one battle out of many, but this one the General should lose. He is the third best of his faction ( counting dooku and sidious) against the best of the nids. Darth sidious vs swarmlord would be a more even duel
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Just a quick question - how many Doctor Who episodes have you actually watched?
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30-40 from the tenth and 11th doctors. 1 from the 9th I think and have been meaning to watch many more including classic Who. Β Actually love the show though I hate most of the other fans. How many have you watched? Β Yes I am aware they are powerful however given the scenario set up by my tournament I believe fair comparisons can be made.Β
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I've seen pretty much all of the NuWho episodes, though I personally prefer the classic series for a number of reasons (it didn't have the Daleks trying to blow up the multiverse every other week, for one thing). I also liked it more because the Doctor wasn't God, making him a more interesting character (the Third Doctor has to be my personal favorite).
Have you ever seen Inferno? It's easily my favorite Who episode of all time for many reasons, but mostly for being genuinely fucking creepy without relying on cheap jump scares (I'm looking at you, Weeping Angels) and for NOT having any goofy ridiculous superweapons that would kill everything in 40k barring the Chaos Gods (fuck off New Dalek Empire). It's a really long but it's fucking awesome, so I'd recommend it if you every want to watch it.
Speaking of which, what did you think of those Robot Jones episodes I sent you?
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Been watching them slowly man, real slowly as in I just finished the pilot last night! I am grateful to see something part of my childhood still somewhere on the web though. None of the new shows can really hold muster at all (save perhaps Avatar).
I have heard a lot of great things about the third and fourth doctor in their companions. Fortunately I have a link to a website that has all the Who episodes so I am slowly, very slowly, working myself back in time towards them. Hopefully by the time I am 30 I will have seen them all 
In terms of storytelling, interest and variety how would you rate the doctors (obviously Nuwho takes effects thanks to technology).?
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Yeah, when I discovered the RJ episodes online I tried to limit myself to at most one episode a day because I didn't want to go through them too fast... it worked out pretty well for me.
Four and Three are both excellent Doctors, yes. Could I have a link to this Who website? Sounds interesting. And yeah, I'd definitely recommend Inferno, it's a great episode.
I like all of the Doctors I've seen so far. My favorite is Pertwee because I feel that he has just the right blend of "kindly old scientist" and "ass-kicking old man" two of the aspects that make the Doctor an amazing character to me. Do you have a favorite Doctor?
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www.tvmuse.eu/tv-shows/Doctor-β¦ When I used it I could go on and look for "Putlocker" for sources however they seem to have taken that down so you will have to use your own subversion.Β
Also just foundΒ www.tvmuse.eu/tv-shows/Doctor-β¦
Well the 11th doctor was the one I started on (late bloomer) so I like him a lot though I also like the tenth. Unfortunately I need to get more involved with the rest to have a fair say on who is my absolute favorite though browsing through the Tardis revealed many that I like the personality of, Pertwee among them. Really I need more time on my hands to watch all of them.Β
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Well, I hope you've enjoyed most of the show so far. Thanks for the link, I really appreciate it.
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Grevious is very agile. He can whip about to attack from multiple angles with his six limbs. This agility was given him to him due to his highly jointed body. He has a large collection of lightsabers, so he won't run out of weaponry in this battle. The material of his body is strong, but judging from the Swarmlord's weaponry, it will give barely any protection.
Grevious is a master of fighting in styles of lightsaber techiques, personally taught by Count Dooku, who is one of the leaders of the Separatists. However, General Grievous' army simply will not help him. It will have to be a one on one battle to decide his fate, as his droid army, aside from his Bodyguards, are incompetent.
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I just feel that Grevious isn't up to par.
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