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These two are going in facing an opponent similar, yet oh so different to what they're used to.Zerg: A race of arthropods working under a a hive mind, the Zerg Swarm strive for genetic perfection by assimilating "worthy" races into their own, creating numerous strains of Zerg. The Swarm have no need for technology, choosing instead to assimilate other species' traits by directed mutation in order to match such technology. Multiplying faster then most any other race in existence, Zerg have crushed many armies under the power of sheer numbers alone. Under the rule of their Queen of Blades, Sarah Kerrigan, the Zerg have grown into a fierce, nearly unstoppable force of destruction.
Eldar: One of the most intelligent and technologically advanced of all races in the Milky Way Galaxy, the fey-like Eldar posses armies with great mobility, psychic abilities, and weapons that far surpass those of the Imperium. Once the mightiest of empires, a great tragedy had them loose much of their influence. But still they endure, using their psychic abilities to influence the galaxy to their advantage, and farsight to plan ahead sometimes years in advance. While some may find them fickle, they are in fact quite wise, and never act without a plan, even if others cannot see it. This makes them a difficult foe to face for just about any opponent.
Now these two will face an opponent highly similar to ones faced in the past. Zerg are familiar with psychic races from battling the Protoss, while the Eldar have faced insect swarmers in Tyranids. Will they fair any better against this new opponent, or will the subtle differences result in their downfall? That question can only be answered by you, so please tell me...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
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It depends on which Eldar we're talking about. I can see the pre-fall Eldar Empire being able to hold the Zerg back, but post-fall Eldar holdouts would fall to the Zerg without problems for the swarm.
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The very BIG problem for the Eldar is the fightingstilye.An fightingstile of the Eldararmy is like a huge assasin,who tries to get his enemys in traps to kill them or splitt them apart to kill them so.The problem is ,that Zergforces are to large for that and Eldar aren't holding very longe on direct combad in that the Zerg will force them.
For me,the zerg are the winners.
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Giving it to the Zerg. They nearly wiped out the Protoss and drove them from their homeworld of Aiur. If they could do that to a technologically superior and psychically powerful race, what chance would the Eldar stand?
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well eldar would beat the zerg faction wise it would be a very close battle but with the ability of farsight as well as the psyker abilities that the eldar have could fight back maybe even sever the link between the zerg and the zerg queen who has a physical form making it easier to do so. and i havnt even gone in about how diverse the eldar military actually is .
plus when times get to its hardest they can call up on the physical incarnation of the Eldar God of War Kaela Mensha Khaine to push the zerg back before counter attacking with the Wraithlord, wraithknight melee walkers and even use the Revenant Titan, Phantom Titan and Warlock Titan
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Nooo you dummy!!! Zerg vs Tyranids! Protoss vs Eldar!!!
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Done it: scarecrowsmainfan.deviantart.c…
And... scarecrowsmainfan.deviantart.c… Done it.
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I grimaced at this. I love the zerg, but RAEP will happen to the zerg, unless it is incredibly drawn out, and is full race vs full race. Then the zerg would win with massive casualties, only because there are so few eldar left.
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combine the two games already so we may find out
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the zerg are nothing next to nids if an army as bad as the terrans in starcraft could stop them no doubt this goes to eldar
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Zerg are just nerfed Nids, so yeah, this one goes to the space elves
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Eldar win, the zerg (essentially tyranids with no pyshic abilities) can not counter the eldars most potent weapon, their minds. They could easily read, track, zerg movments and strafe the area with air support, another thing the zerg don't have.
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air support ? you obviously never have heard of the Mutalisks or the cannons that could rip apart capital ships from orbit...
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You seem to forget that Eldar live on craft-worlds which are larger than most planets and are packed to the brim with weapons designed to take out such ships. Also Craftworlds boost some of the strongest shields in the 40k universe, which is saying a lot, also the Eldar have access to the web-way and can even put their ancestors in combat against any threats.
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The Xel-Naga also lived on world-ships, yet the Overmind slaughtered them all the same.
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mean while the eldar FRIGATES are slipping in and out of the webway, shredding anything remotely zerg like into a very disgusting milkshake.
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I would want to analyze how Eldar psionics would impact the Zerg, or vice-verse.
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I don't know who would win but I want this so badly now.
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The zerg are the most adaptive and rapidly evolving hive minded species in exsistance, not to mention that fastest to reproduce.
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Zerg can overwhelm most of the Eldar forces and any that are too strong Kerrigan can wipe out on her own since at this point she is... I guess the easiest definition is a sexy overmind...the Eldar have experience against the Tyrannids but just because the 2 races are similar doesn't immediately mean the same measures will work especially with Kerrigan leading the charge, Eldar always have a plan but Zerg are notorious for fucking plans up royally
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in the setting they are fighting in, they both start off with 1 million each. That means the zergs main advantage of numbers is gone, and the only force the eldar ever fight in equal numbers are the dark eldar, necrons and occasionally space marines. when the eldar lose to the tyranids it is through being massively outnumbered, and because tyranids generally fuck up eldar psyker abilities with shadow in the warp. 2 advantages the zerg don't have. The eldar aren't being invaded, they are fighting on a neutral planet. Farsight will let them know that zerg are on the planet and they will rush to stop the zerg from multiplying. Knowing about the tyranids, they will want to eliminate the zerg as fast as possible. Aircraft and tanks will take out ultralisks, vehicles and guardians will focus on the zergling, and farseers will help prevent the eldar from being burrow-ambushed.
Also, i think kerrigan could take on an avatar of khaine if she stays away. But a hero like eldrad or one of the phoenix lords could take her one on one.
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Kerrigan can also see the future and she saw things out of sight of the highest level Protoss Templar she will know the attack is coming, when the Eldar arrive they will find a deserted hive and when they get too close that's when all hell breaks loose, first the beinlings and infected come out exploding and decimating forces everywhere causing absolute panic then the larger forces emerge from the ground and sky while the Eldar struggle to maintain control they dont have time to stop the Zerg from expanding and have no idea more nydus worms are invading their main base unleashing horde after horde, the heavy hitters of the Eldar will eventually step in and take out the main Zerg forces and possibly even Kerrigan but the sentient primal Zerg will take command quickly so when the exhausted Eldar return they find only flames and death to greet them as their own forces now infested and giving the Zerg all of the eldar's knowledge, no force in the galaxy has ever stopped the Zerg from expanding, not the godly Xel'naga not the Terran Psy destroyer, not even another army of Zerg the Eldar shall fall like all the others
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In a even or slightly lopsided battle between Zerg and Protoss, given competent commanders, the Protoss would SLAUGHTER the Zerg. So too would the Terrans. The Eldar are just as quality focused as the Protoss, have foresight 50 x Kerrigan's (yes I read all the novels too of Kerrigan, and though hers is okay its nothing compared to a farseers), more ruthless then the Toss, and arguably have better ground firepower though Prtoss have better air
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I know it's much later but.....^^^THIS. On all accounts.
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I wasn't aware that kerrigans foresight even came CLOSE to eldar farseers. You also are under the assumption that the eldar farseers can see exactly one thing, and that one thing being where the zerg are. And you also seem to think that the eldar are going to rush into the hive (again, somehow not realizing the entirety of the zerg force is gone even though there are a few dozen farseers) and that their farseers suddenly stopped working. The eldar will have around the same numbers as the zerg, yet even their most basic troops will be able to take on several. Eldar vehicles will be taking out scores of zergs, even the famed ultralisks can't stand up to eldar mounted vehicles and wraith constructs. The eldar have fought much larger forces of tyranids under much worse circumstances (like them being in their craft world, outnumbered possibly hundreds of times over, the shadow in the warp, etc). The farseers have a huge tactical advantage too. The lore describes them as being able to walk across the battlefield and not get hit by even a speck of dirt, directing troops to fire at a seemingly empty spot a split second before enemy troops teleport there, and do random things on the battlefield that seem inconsequential at first, but somewhere down the line it dooms the enemy. Before the battle even begins they will start doing things that will help in the long run, like denying the zerg what could have been a strategic place to mount an attack.
the eldar have the advantage early on in the fight, and given their farseers, they wont be sitting around while the zerg multiply into unmanageable numbers. Even if the zerg to somehow surprise them the eldar have much better quality of units than the zerg do. The eldar simply outmatch the zerg in pretty much every area until the zerg outnumber the eldar many times over.
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Or you know, mindawar on Kerrigan and the Zerg go poof.
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Ehh the gameplay mechanic of Kerrigan resurrecting whenever she dies in HOTS is canon according to the developers, so it'll just put her out of action for a couple of hours. Plus I don't know if Eldrad can beat Kerrigan in a mind war given she has the backing of billions of minds behind her.
Eldar win for other reasons though, but not this one.
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What billions of minds? She IS the Swarm. Zerg, like Tyranids go feral when not under the influence of a Synapse/ Cerebrate/Kerrigan (as far as I know).
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Actually she fixed the problem by creating a caste of Broodmothers who can take control if she dies, and she seems to have determined that one Brood Mother in particular, Zagara, would take control of the entirety of the Swarm if she is somehow put down. Overlords seem to function as sub-lieutenants judging by the story "Just an Overlord" and can, with effort, take direct control of a limited number of Zerg by themselves.
And yes she IS the Swarm, meaning that her thought process (according to the books) would flow through the entirety of her race. She can think, see and control directly any Zerg within her swarm, and has the mental power to process all this information at once (Dark Templar series) . Essentially in order for a Eldar to take her on mentally and win I would like to see an example of one of them mentally mind warring an entire Tyranid Hive Fleet and winning, for that would be the 40k equivalent.
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Oh yeah, totally forgot about Zegara (I do play Starcraft 2 but I'm a bigger Warhammer fan). The Zerg are way less than the Tyranids. From what I've seen A single Tyranid Hive Fleet could attack several star systems at once. The Zerg are numerous, no doubt there but they don't compare to the Tyranids. I still think that Eldrad could best her in a mind duel.
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Hmm yes I will agree that the big three (Behemoth, Leviathan, and Kraken) almost certainly bigger then the entirety of the Zerg Swarm. However a minor Hive fleet like Gorgon for example would probably see comparable somewhat and according to the side missions in HOTS, Kerrigan is able to reach out and attack several systems at once. Still it seems we have reached an impasse in regards to the Mind War thing. I don't believe Eldrad could pull it off (and if he does, she'll just resurrect) , you believe he could.
We both agree Eldar win overall
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Yes we do. Glory to the Craftworld 
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Yeah, I'm not seeing Kerrigan take down an Avatar of Khaine. The most impressive feat I've seen for Kerrigan so far is crushing a few ships with her mind, whereas Avatars are capable of dueling with Greater Daemons and having a good chance of winning; consider that Ulkair, a fairly average Greater Daemon, was causing massive continent-sized chunks of the planet he was on to fly off into space with his mere presence, and he was seriously threatening to plunge the entire sector into the Warp. Do the Zerg have feats that put them above that?
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And yet this is the same Avatar Of Khaine that has become the Eldar Whipping boy of the company, falling to a couple of Carnifexes (which are MUCh smaller then a Ultralisk btw) or getting solo'd by Marneus Calgar. We can't JUST look at high end feats other we get silly conclusions such as Calgar being a continent buster by virtue of owning the Avatar who can duel with a Greater Demon who can bust continents. Furthermore can't the Ork superunit, which is a a vehicle with a roller on it I believe, can also own continents by virtue of matching Ulkair even though in the codex its not SUPER impressive.
I would say as Kerrigan's game/Book average makes up for the low end game cutscene (the PIS one with Mengsk) while the Avatar kind of gets pissed on regularly by GW that Kerrigan would probably win 1 vs 1 . Eldrad Ulthran is another story however.
Unless the Eldar with their extremely low numbers sit back and diddle around until the Zerg outnumber them many times they probably win overall however. And the Eldar generally don't do that, so I agree on the overall victory.
Oh and as for "Tyranid Lite" I got the greatest Tyranid fan in my group to conceed on, given even starting numbers and solely fighting on a planet, the Zerg winning thanks to HOTS making the Ultralisk (which are fairly common in Zerg armies) bigger then the damn Hierophant (the biggest Tyranid who is fairly rare, at only 15 meters) . As well as a couple other reasons
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Just a couple in this case means "ten, in close combat, under dynapsr"
I quite honestly can't think of much on the ground that wouldn't kill.
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I'm going to give this one to the Eldar. They have plenty of experience fighting Tyranids, and the Zerg are basically Tyranid Lite, really. There aren't really any Zerg units that could counter something like an Avatar of Khaine, either, which can just wave its sword around and cause Ultralisks and what-have-you to burst into flames. The Zerg will give them a good fight, I'm sure, but in the end the Eldar will win.
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Really? Dude the size discrepancy between Carnifexen and Ultralisks is HUGE!!! And it took only Half a dozen (from Craftworld Iyandean ) Carnifexen to own the Avatar of Khaine, though it did kill a couple.
1.bp.blogspot.com/-dQadYxz4MhM…
this is official art by Mr. Jack, who is a Blizzard artist. Note that the average protoss stands 3m tall
This is the Viking, which while standing up looks about 4 times higher then the human standing next to it. Katchinsky (the guy in there) can be rounded to the average height (rounded) of 2 meters.
images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__c…
Now lets see how the Viking compares to the Ultralisk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEhbC… (goofy video, but contains only the relevant parts)
See the size discrepancy .
Summarize : Check this out:
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According to Lexicanum Carnifexen is 4.5 meters, meaning that Viking is much taller then it, and it barely reached up to the Ultralisk's giant talons The Biggest Tyranid biomorph yet detailed would only be almost half its size at 15 m. And the Ultralisk is, in game, smaller then the Omegalisk and Brutalisk.
So no, the Avatar is not going to ROFL stomp Ultralisks given it can't do the same to Carnifexen, who are much weaker (its only SB who somehow think they are comparable in size when Apocalypse gives the official size for the creature).
The Eldar win for other reasons. Not for the Avatar Though, which would get mobbed just as it did during the Craftworld Iyandean invasion. Its Farseers that the Zerg won't be able to counter, not the Avatar
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Very well then, I'll concede to your superior knowledge of Warhammer and StarCraft respectively. However, I still maintain that the Eldar will win... after a good fight, of course.
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Sorry if my argument sounded condescending. Might have gotten a bit carried away
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Of course, and I fully agree with you. Damn farseers and the fact the Eldar are probably the best qualitatively in 40k (ehh them or the Crons, who I admitedly don't know nearly enough about) will ensure the Zerg lose. I just wanted to emphasize how awesome the Ultralisk is for a basic unit.
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I understand that the Ultralisk is a beast and all, but could it really take on half a dozen Carnifexes? I mean... that is a lot. And they were being directed by a Hive Tyrant which may or may not have been the Swarmlord.
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Hmm maybe or maybe not. But I don't think the Avatar will stand any better against half a dozen ultralisks then he would carnifexen, as well as whatever else is nearby.
Also....I don't want to spoil anything specific , but the Ultramarines section of the Space Marines codex kind of....neutered the Swarmlord. He's a lot less impressive now. Hopefully Tyranid 6e (rumored for December) fixes this
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...Robin Cruddace isn't writing the new 'Nid codex, is he?
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Who is he again? I know he's a writer, but how is he viewed in the community?
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Robin Cruddace is to the Tyranids what Matt Ward is to the Sisters of Battle. He wrote a story where a Hive Fleet got its ass kicked by a minor Tau world because they "out-adapted" it (what the flying fuck?), and then all of the Tau got murdered by Necrons anyway, so it was made irrelevant. The worst part? He put this in a Tyranid codex.
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No idea on the author, just that rumors say its for a Christmas release.
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Well, here's hoping for the best.
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I sincerely hope they undo the horrible fluff Ward did to them in the Ultramarines section of the SM codex.
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Does Ward still work for GW? Because if he does, then they probably won't. *Sigh*
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