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Published: 2020-02-11 21:40:27 +0000 UTC; Views: 5333; Favourites: 82; Downloads: 8
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Something I discovered is that these two versions actually have a few things in common. Both managed to take over their worlds, both fought a group of freedom fighters, both were at one point designed after a TV Show counterpart but later changed to look similar to the game counterpart. With Archie it was a full make-over, while the STC version simply put on Modern Clothes.Which one is your favorite?
Dr Eggman and Snively belongs to SEGA
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Archie's still my fav. Sonic The Comic isn't all bad but can't really cut it compared to Archie.
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Totally agree with you on that one.
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I mean the Archie and Fleetway comics have a lot of similar elements (despite also being very different), such as their depictions of Robotnik/Eggman as you pointed out, also the the whole Freedom Fighters angle (even if the actual members were different), having an evil albino Echidna (Fleetway's Dr. Zachary and Archie's Finitevous), Both had made Echidnas a technologically advanced civilization, Both made Charmy a prince, both had Robotnik/Eggman go insane at one point. One of the saddest things that'll never happen is to actually see an official Archie and Fleetway crossover. Maybe Archie Sonic Online and Sonic the Comic Online could come to an agreement.
As for which Robotnik I like better can't say for sure, though it would be interesting if someone were to do a video comparing the Archie and Fleetway comics and determining which did certain concepts better.
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Oh yeah, the two had many similart elements. At its core what made them different was certain portrayals and such. I will say that I prefer the Archie comics. Was never a fan of Porker or Johnny. Felt their bodies looked...weird after they got those punk clothes.
That could be cool to see.
that could be interesting! 
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I personally like them both equally I just maybe lean a little bit more towards the Archie side of things since that's what I'm the most familiar with and not to mention I feel that their Freedom Fighters stood out more and had more going for them than Johnny and Porker. I think the issue with Johnny and Porker's designs was that over time their bodies just became too 'human looking' though you could argue that the Archie comics suffered a similar issue for a while. Regardless I do think both comics have had plenty of their own share of issues as well as good aspects (just par for the course of any long running series really). But there are plenty of characters and concepts I like from Fleetway that I would like to see make a come back just as much as anything from Archie, mainly stuff like: Short-fuse the Cybernik, the Drakon Empire, the Nameless Zone, the Brotherhood of Mettalix, Commander Brutus, Metamorphia, Mega Tox, Captain Plunder, Evil Super Sonic and so on. Also if they ever bring back Sally but didn't want to bring back the whole princess aspect maybe they could bring back the whole reporter angle from Fleetway.
I also thought that it was neat that Fleetway had comics for other Sega games at the time, granted I never actually read them but it was still really neat.
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Oh, I agree with Johnny and Porker. It honestly looked REALLY weird with their bodies like that...I guess thats one of the things I had a problem with STC, that at MANY times the style seemed to clash too much with Sonic's style if you compared much of it with Sonic, Tails, Robotnik, Amy, Knuckles and so on. Sure with the whole looking more human thing, you can argue that the Archie comics also suffered from that fate for awhile, but in my opinion, STC was more...extreme about it to a degree. Or more noticeable? Not sure which word to use as English isn't my first language.
I wouldn't mind some of that returning, however...I will say that I think the stuff could use an overhaul with redesigns and such in order to fit into the "Standard" Sonic style and world if you catch my drift.
Yeah, it was neat.
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The best explanation I could come up with for the art issues is due to how at the time there wasn't as much of a 'cemented art style' for the Sonic series since there was only a few characters to go off of. Combined with with how most of the artists are probably not use to said style and mainly just drew in their styles, I mean the Archie comics have had a similar issue with a lot of artists working on the comic who were more used to DC/Marvel type stuff and weren't used to a style like Sonic's. Though the ironic part is that Johnny and Porker were directly based on the animal buddies from the games, so it shouldn't have been that hard to convert them into more Sonic style characters even with clothing.
Oh yeah I would expect a redesign from any old characters they decide to bring back regardless of which continuity, and either way I would also want to see characters reimagined anyways since I would want to see new takes on old characters anyways including the ones from the games, you know like in the new Duck Tales. The best way I could describe the Sonic art style is basically the Mickey Mouse Universe by way of anime, kind of why my ideal Sonic cartoon would be some sort of 'American Anime' in the vein of Teen Titans or Avatar: The Last Air Bender.
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I can understand that. Tough...to be honest, they had Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy to go by, so there was a some form of clear style.
I can understand that. It could be interesting to see many of them re-imagined.
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True... I guess it's my other guess in that the artists just weren't that use to coming up with new designs in that style. I don't know just guessing here, it's interesting how both the Fleetway and Archie comics have had a tendency to make character not look like they belong in the same universe as Sonic especially after the Adventure adaptation on Archie's end.
There are also characters from the Archie comics I would like to see brought back in a reimagined fashion (even though most of them are unlikely to ever come back),
Pre Reboot: Mina, Scourge, Enerjak, Dark Legion, Julie Su, Mammoth Mogul, Finitevous, Dimitri, Lien Da, Fiona, Archimedes, Feist, Zonic, Hope, Mecha, Sandblasters, Merlin, the Ancient Walkers, Beauregard Rabbot, Monkey Kahn, game characters being allowed to have relatives.
Post reboot: the Egg Bosses (either the characters or just the concept in of itself), Dr. Ellidy, Eclipse, Relic, Fix it, Phage, Gold, Meropis, Onix City Council, Moss, Captain Metal, Setting Dawn crew.
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yeah, I get what you mean. Tough with the Archie series...I feel it shows that Penders in particular was never truly interested in writing Sonic, but rather used the comic to promote his own thing. IDK...sometimes he reminds me of one of those cringey Sonic fans at times.
All of those sounds very great! 
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Yeah I personally see Ken Penders as like the George Lucas of the Archie comics, where he has good ideas but poor execution with stuff like lack of interest in the source material, poor dialogue, questionable characterization, and tendency to either over complicate plots or just not thinking plots out enough, unwillingness to look at other writers’ work and desire to focus only on his own characters.
Though there are interesting ideas, like delving into Echidna culture, expanding on the Great War, the Dark Legion, an evil Sonic, stuff like that. Granted he made too many echidnas, just having Echidnaopolis and the Dark Legion would have been fine but adding Albion and the Lost Tribe was just excessive (not to mention raises some plot holes). I just think his ideas were usually done better by other writers like Carl Bollers and Ian Flynn.
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Perhaps, tough with all that Penders has done, I'd say George Lucas is a better person. Did you hear what Penders did to Ben hurst?
Oh I agree with you there. But yeah, there were a bit TOO many Echidnas. Especially considering that Knuckles is supposed to be the last of his kind and all. I guess one could introduce more Echidnas, but not go overboard with it, but make it like 3-5 more but nothing beyond that, but hey! Thats just what Im thinking.
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I was mainly referring to his writing style rather than him as a person. Also yes I know about the stuff with Ben Hurst.
I’d say at most maybe like one small tribe and a faction of evil Echidnas like the Dark Legion or Nocturnus Clan.
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Ah! Okay, my mistake in that regard. 
That could perhaps work. But yeah. Keep it small. And at the very least, don’t make any of them former members of the Knuckles clan.
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Eh no problem.
Do you mean the same Knuckles Clan from ancient times that got wiped out by Chaos or descendants of the Knuckles Clan?
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The Knuckles clan from ancient times and descendants. Knuckles himself is supposedly a descendant of that same Clan, so if suddenly more characters who have ties with that clan were to appear, it could kinda go against the whole "Being the last of his kind".
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I mean I personally don’t have any issues with other descendants of the Knuckles Clan. I mean you’d have to have some explanation for how Knuckles is around. I think as long as you have it seem like Knuckles is the last of his kind at first and have a small amount of surviving echidnas with a good reason for why the others are absent.
I think my other issue with Pender’s take on Echidnas is that from what we’ve seen of it just felt too ‘domesticated’. I mean at times Echidnaopolis just felt too much like a modern day city (other times a cheap dollar store Krypton). I mean with a lost civilization that originates from a magical floating island who have ties to the 7 magical gemstones that most of the series has revolved around, you’d think there’d be a more ‘alien’ or sense of ‘mysticism’ about them.
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Perhaps, but still.
You would think so, but...yeah. He seemed to have a REAL thing for Echidnas. Need I remind you of the whole thing with Sonic Chronicles? The Irony is that Penders also stole stuff from a lot of other places too. Like for instance the appearance of the Millenium Falcon, and the "box" the Riddler made in Batman Forever. Sure, the death egg is clearly a parody of the death star, but at least there's some real differences between them.
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Yeah I’m well aware of the whole deal with Chronicles. I think his whole thing with Echidnas is due to a lot of his ideas for Sonic being rejected and transplanted them onto Knuckles instead. Another reason why he’s so fixated on echidnas is that despite not wanting to admit it his work on Sonic is the only really noteworthy thing he’s known for.
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That...honestly makes a lot of sense. I don't think I even know about anything else that he has ever done. His huge ass ego doesn't help much either. I could be remembering wrong, but I think he once mentioned that the sonic movie reading Flash comics was a reference to him, because he apparently was inspired by early Flash comics when writing sonic. If its true that he actually said that, then he's probably delusional too.
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I don't doubt the Ken Penders and any other Sonic comic writers were influenced by the Flash when writing for Sonic since Flash is one of the most famous characters in comics with super speed, so there's bound to be some influence in terms of how Sonic's powers work. Though I doubt that the fact Sonic was reading Flash comics is any sort of reference to the Archie comics and more because again Flash is just a really famous speedster, and it only makes sense they might want to reference him somehow.
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I totally agree with you there. I think the only closest thing that could potentially be a reference to the Archie comics would be Sonic's racecar bed at the end of the movie.
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I mean one could have a debate regarding the warp rings, I mean personally the first thing that makes me think of is the Warp Rings from the Archie comics but one could argue that they're based on the Rings you use to enter the special zone in the genesis games.
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Yeah, one could argue its one or the other.
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You know the writers for Fleetway initially intended to introduce Snively instead of Grimer as Robotnik's henchman, but then they were told they didn't have the rights to use Snively so they created Grimer.
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I heard about that.
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Maybe SEGA didn't want them to use him I Don't know
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Good question. I think Archie Eggman is more evil.
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I kinda wonder how they would interact if they met.
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I can see the two Robotniks working together, especially since the Archie version wasn't above working with versions of him from alternate dimensions. Grimer and Snively on the other hand...Snively was a bit of a traitor against Robotnik, while Grimer was very loyal, so I can imagine the two would clash in that regard.
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