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Still bored, still doing memes, still keeping it short. (Looking back I failed at this) A lot of my chosen pictures didn't have backgrounds, so I painted some relevant colours on it. Yay!Favourite Character: Bowser and Waluigi
I still can't chose. Bowser and Waluigi are both such awesome and amazing characters, and once again I'm following my trademark habit of liking the villains. I honestly like them for very similar reasons. They're funny at times, but still manage to post a threat - Bowser heavier on the threat side and Waluigi heaver on the comic side. I think they both have appealing designs, and I enjoy their personalities be they at their best or worst. Waluigi gets bonus points because I like Luigi as well. so the relation is relevant to my interests.
Despised Character: Princess Peach
The Mario community is going to hate me at least two times over the course of this meme, possibly more, and this is one of the reasons why. Yes, I don't like Peach. I recognize her as an important character in the series, and I accordingly acknowledge her relations and influence, but I choose to dislike her despite this. I don't have to like her to recognize her as an important character.
Favourite Game: Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door
I might greatly adore Super Paper Mario and Paper Mario 64 as well, but something about the TTYD gives it a special spark that will forever live in my heart. I love the gameplay, I love the entire cast, and I love the storyline. It manages to be equal levels funny and serious. Some of my adored characters are exclusive to or debuted in this game, such as Vivian, Beldam, Doopliss, and Lord Crump just to name a few. Also, I love a good fourth wall break, and this game not only breaks the fourth wall, it rips it off its hinges and throws it out the nearest window.
Despised Game: Paper Mario Sticker Stars
I would've picked Hotel Mario, because yes I have played that game, but that was on a horrible system. Nobody expected a CDi game to be fun. A Nintendo DS game has much higher expectations, and Sticker Stars failed in that regard. I was done with the sticker gimmick instantly. I got tired of button mashing to pick stickers so Mario could jump on a Goomba. I also got stuck really early in the game, which is never a good sign. Fuck this game and it's stickers. Bowser can have the princess or take over the world with stickers... whatever he was trying to achieve in that train wreck of a game. I'll help him as long as I don't have to pick another sticker in my life.
Most Overrated Character: Mario
The internet will also hate me for this. You can't deny that as the main character of the series and the mascot of not only this series which has his namesake, but Nintendo as a company, Mario gets a LOT of attention. He's been a thing for ages and he isn't going away. I don't like him. Now I don't hate him on an Ash Ketchum or Sonic the Hedgehog level. I can accept Mario being a character in the series - not because he's popular, but because at least he's relevant and useful. He actually does something to help, and he is by no means an annoying character in personality. I would never ask him to be removed or replaced. I feel dislike is a better word that hate for him. I just think he's overrated and I'll take his brother or evil incarnation over him any day.
Most Underrated Character: Bowser Jr.
Far as I can see, a lot of people hate Jr. Why? I won't deny he gets his father in a lot of trouble, but firstly, Bowser gets himself into enough problems without his son's help, and second and most important of all, he's a kid. When the day comes to a close and the sinister plans fall silent, Bowser Jr is a kid. He's still learning, still growing to understand the world. I love Jr, because I think he brings out the best in his dad. Bowser might get mad at Jr sometimes, but at the end of the day, it's very obvious Bowser loves his son and is proud of him. The two lean on each other, work together, and Bowser likely takes pride in knowing that his son is growing up like him and learning to be like his daddy.
Favourite Villain: Kamek
Making something clear, I don't like Kamek more than Bowser or Waluigi. They are still my favourites. However, I felt bad that on my last meme I put the same person on favourite character AND favourite villain, so this time, I basically leaped for third place. There were lots of contenders, but I gave the spot to Kamek because I honestly feel he needs the attention. He's adorable, clever, and endearing.
Despised Villain: Wiggler
I have two separate vendettas with this little flowered bastard. First is Super Mario Sunshine, a game he somehow managed to waste loads of my time in as a kid. The second is Hotel Mario, because he was the top contender for 'thing I'd bump my head on a floor above me and die from after bouncing off a Goomba'.
Favourite Couple: Bowser and Peach
Yes, I support it.I support is as a romantic, adorable, cuddly relationship. I know Bowser can be aggressive, given he kidnaps Peach on a regular basis, but honestly I feel like Peach is pretty rational about it. She seems to accept it at this point. Think about it, Bowser and Peach have to spend a lot of time together, even if unintentionally. I feel like Peach could bring out a softer side of Bowser, like his son does in a way, and they could work, given the time to talk to each other and spend time with each other.
Despised Couple: Bowser and Mario
I know a lot of times I straight up go for a hero X villain pairing, but I don't feel that way about Mario. I love the idea of them working together as allies on occasion, but I don't feel like it should go any further than occasional alliance. These two were meant to stand against each other as foes. Mario is the most iconic video game hero and Bowser the most iconic video game villain. Don't take away that relation from them.
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I love Bowser X Peach and Kamek X Peach and Wiggler X Peach and Daddy Pig from Peppa pig X Peach and Mr. Krabs X Peach
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I am curious about how Princess Peach bothers you. I've heard a lot of good things about her, but I'd like to hear some negative input as well. I've never actually played any of the games, so I know nothing about her character except for what I've been told. Mind if you elaborate for me a little?
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I'll be honest, there's a lot of bias in why I dislike Princess Peach. I do admit she is a very widely liked character, but I personally just find her - and her character archetype in general - to be a fairly boring character. She - and Mario by extension - are not on the same dislike area as some of my hated media characters like Sonic the Hedgehog or Ash Ketchum. I feel the meme used a far more extreme word than I would've picked. It's clear I'm at least accepting of her being in the series, given I comment often on her relations with other people. I've just never been a fan of the overly-girly or princess character type. I'll be honest, when someone stands too harshly on either masculinity or femininity, it turns me off them as a character. I think anyone can agree with me that Princess Peach is the epitome of girly-girl. I sort of prefer Princess Daisy, although I don't adore her - just prefer.
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Ah, I see. So you don't "despise" her. She's just not to your tastes. I can understand that.
Why is that, I wonder? I mean, getting turned off by overly masculine or feminine characters. I'm just curious, because I like trying to understand and see through other people's perspectives.
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Yeah, the wording wasn't in my favour there. There are some character I straight up prefer not being in a series - like Amy Rose. But Peach isn't quite the same. I just don't fancy her personally.
I dislike aggressive stereotypes, especially in fully human characters. I don't like to think that one person is so heavily defined by a specific common trait like feminine or masculine. I feel like when a woman is incredibly feminine or a man is incredibly masculine, that trait starts to override them as a character, and it quite literally becomes them. They can become so defined by that very trait and many times, become too stoic as a person because of it, whether intentionally or unintentionally. I'd rather a character just be a person, rather than a gender definition. It's sort of why I like opposites, like a feminine Pokemon that's male or a masculine Pokemon that's female, because they stamp stereotypes into the ground and show that a person is more than just the gender they're born with.
I've found a lot of feminine or masculine characters I've met which hold that trait very strongly are just dull as characters.
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What did Amy Rose do wrong? Creepy stalker tendencies?
Oh, so I see. Now that you explained that, I can see from your side. I have noticed that trend, but I never gave it much thought. But we share the same love of swapping gender expectations. I have a habit of making angry, aggressive female characters and gentle, sensitive male characters.
Also buff ladies. There needs to be more buff ladies.
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Similar idea, leaning too heavily on a singular character trait. I am usually not a fan of characters whose entire existence is a single character trait, especially if that trait is annoying. I might not like Sonic - because he's too arrogant to stand mostly - but I'm even on his side with Amy, because she makes his life more difficult sometimes. This becomes incredibly apparent in Sonic Heroes, Sonic Adventure DX, and Sonic X, where she was not only too obsessive, but made a nuisance of herself. DX wins an award because she spent half the game following Sonic around and dragging him to places he didn't want to go because it looked fun, only to wander off and force Sonic to look for her.
Exactly, exactly! I like characters like the examples you listed, characters that deft the stereotypes. I don't think any person should or deserves to be defined by a stereotype. Even the smallest of traits can put them away from that stereotype, make them unique or different.
Pokemon Colosseum and XD had those as an enemy trainer class. I always loved them.
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I want to punch Sonic, he's so annoying. But I remember him being a little more tolerable, and dare I say, likable, in the anime. Am I wrong?
Oh I see. One of THOSE female characters. Or characters in general. They drive me crazy. They go off, aggravate the main character, get themselves in trouble, and when the main scolds them for it, they cry and we have to feel bad for getting mad at them. I hate that. Let them have the consequences for their actions, right?
Yeah! I love seeing there being a different blend of mixes in each character. Each have traits from different things, whether they be more masculine, feminine, or in between.
Speaking of video games, there was a MMORPG I joined a little while back called Wildstar. It's some science fiction and fantasy blend. Anyway, one of the species you can choose when creating a character is some giant rock creature. But I was disappointed to find that only the males were heavy tanks, and the females were considerably slimmer. I wanna be a buff lady, come on!
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Yeah, Sonic wasn't quite as bad in Sonic X. He was still kind of arrogant, but it wasn't as prominent of a trait as it can be in some of the games - or the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, for that matter. I don't mind an ego to a degree, but I feel that huge of an ego doesn't work on a hero. Villains I'm willing to give leeway to on that trait, because the villains are the ones you expect to lose and I think they deserve to have pride in their minuscule accomplishments. Heroes win often; they should tone arrogance down a little.
Yeah, that's Amy, and you about told the entire story for why I dislike her. Amy isn't a child - Tails the Fox is younger than her and far more responsible - so I feel she should be punished for her actions. Sometimes people mess up or get in trouble, that's understandable, but it seems like she can mess up anything she wants, even knowing what she did was wrong before doing it, and we still have to feel sorry for her when someone yells at her. She messed up. Her friends have a right to be frustrated.
That's exactly where I stand. Mix around traits, work with different combinations, and see what works. Cliches get boring after a while. They work sometimes, but not everyone can be a walking cliche.
Aw, that's a shame. That would've been pretty awesome.
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Yeah, I guess I remembered him right. That's interesting, though, how an arrogant villain can be more tolerable than an arrogant hero.
I don't understand why writers who make those kinds of characters don't understand why that doesn't work. How are they not frustrated at seeing that kind of immaturity not being dealt with properly?
I also meant "sensitive" in the sense of constantly crying over small things, caring about what people think way too much, and generally being a big baby. But in a more appealing way? Not like, sensitive because they wear aprons and occasionally tear up. Although that can be appealing to. I mean all this in a simple sense of enjoying a person's character, not finding them attractive.
That's okay, I can still fulfill my fantasies via RP.
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Yeah, it's funny to think that a certain personality trait can be more fitting for a specific morality. There are traits that work better for protagonists and traits that work better for antagonists.
I ask the same question often, but I find an answer rarely rears its head. I too wonder why writers insist on creating characters like that, especially for a protagonist. It's particularly bothersome for Amy, because she has lots of friends surrounding her who very well know what she's like, but they aren't allowed to say anything. If they do, they're either the bad guy, or Amy overrides them by acting even more immature.
Oh yeah, I got the long and the short of it. Negative traits can work when done right. I mean, every character needs a negative trait or they would be horribly stoic - even taking into account there are character intended to be stoic; they still have negative traits to make them developed - but it shouldn't be too stretched out of proportion or be their only trait. Negative traits can be entertaining when done correctly, and sometimes characters negative traits can become endearing.
Haha! Indeed so.
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Maybe it's because they grew up being told that they shouldn't be mad at their little sibling for being a little brat. So that mindset was ingrained into them.
Yeah. And that's not to say that being emotional is necessarily a bad trait. I actually tend to look at all traits in a grey perspective, and see how they can work for good or bad depending on the situation.
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I would believe it. That was one of the reasons I would never want a sibling. If my sibling acted like a brat, I wouldn't sugarcoat it. I would straight up tell them the way they're acting is unacceptable and that such behavior needs to stop. It wouldn't matter if they screamed or cried - I would stick to that mindset. My parents likely wouldn't have appreciated that, especially while growing up.
Almost anything can work right in the correct situation with the correct direction. In Fallout 4, there's a character who straight up defines stoic, to the point where he makes other characters in the game who aren't familiar with him uncomfortable because of how little he cares. Yet despite this stoic personality, he isn't any less of a character than anyone else. When he's put into serious situations - like life or death - his overly serious tone becomes incredibly effective. Where others would hesitate, he simply acts.
Like, I think Amy could work if tweaked. She just needs to be toned down a little. If you took the very traits of her that become tiresome and just toned down how often she did these things, she could work. Because sometimes being reckless works - like with Knuckles. Or sometimes being overly friendly can work - like with Cream. She just needs some enjoyable traits to balance out the bothersome ones.
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But they have to understand that the role of being a big sibling has the responsibility of being a kind of role model, right? It carries some weight in the family hierarchy, that's for sure.
Funny, I was just working on a character for an unrelated RP with that kind of personality. Completely stoic and unemotional, but it makes her lonely because everyone's scared of her, haha.
Right, I get what you're saying. There's just an uneven balance that focuses too much on the bad traits.
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Oh, certainly. Problem is most parents just want the older sibling to forgive everything wrong the younger sibling does and most older siblings would love nothing more than to do the polar opposite. It creates an impossible situation where the parents and the older siblings are so intent on their way of seeing the situation that neither person is willing to meet in the middle, as they feel anything less than what they want would be giving in to the other side. A kid doesn't want to fully surrender to their parents, but a parent doesn't want to be controlled by their child.
I'd say go with it. The only real difference of the character I referenced from a game is that he doesn't mind much whether people like him or not, as long as he gets to continue working for what he believes in. Nonetheless, I think that could work for you, a character so stoic that it's unnerving to others, yet she internally desires companionship. Sounds like a fun character to write with.
Precisely. Characters are all about balancing the good and the bad and being too perfect is equally as annoying as being too flawed. Amy just needs a little bit of balance in her and she would be a plausible character. She might not become my favourite, but at least acceptable.
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So I guess it's a kind of power struggle then?
Yeah, she thinks she doesn't care, and she wants to not care. But she really does, deep down in that rock-hard heart of hers.
I wonder when that'll ever happen, if it does.
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That is often the case when it comes to people of widely different ages groups, especially in family situations.
That's actually interesting, and it does hold similarities to the character I mentioned. He is incredibly efficient at disliking people, as he spends a lot of free time idly commenting on how the world will be better once the people on the surface die -he lives in an underground fortress of sorts. But there has to be something in there that cares about people, because you can form a relation with him. You can get him to idolize you as a person, viewing you as a great addition to his faction's cause, or he can dislike you so greatly that he completely gives up on you and leaves. If he was really totally devoid of emotion, none of that was matter to him. It's very heavily nullified.
Likely never. I've seen modern Amy. She isn't really any different.
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Ah, so he's certainly not a big softie, but he still has humanity.
Haha, I'm not surprised. Sonic just seems more bland and annoying. His main insult for Lyric was "snake-breath". How original.
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Fine. I can tolerate you hate whoring over Peach (even though you really didn't explain why).
However, I won't buy the "He's a kid." excuse that you used to defend Bowser Jr., because it didn't work with Lucy van Pelt, Jasper Batt Jr. and Kid Buu, and no, it doesn't work with Bowser Jr. either.
And BowserxPeach does not work... At all... And you trying to be logical about it makes me really question your social life, but whatever.
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I'm glad to see you only came here to comment on the opinions - note I said opinions - of mine you don't like.
This is just a meme and I fail to see how my opinions on a video game franchise that doesn't actually exist really matters in your life. If you disagree with me liking Bowser Jr or Bowser X Peach, that's fine, but I don't see what you gain from coming here, insulting my opinion, and explaining why my opinion is wrong just as well as I explained myself. I didn't want to explain further because I knew no matter what I said, it wouldn't stop people who disagree with me from dropping in and insulting my opinion. And it seems I was right.
What does me liking Bowser and Peach as a couple even have to do with my social life? It's a video game! Bowser and Peach don't exist. What I think is meaningless to the real world and has no influence on my real actions.
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Very well... I shall apologize for that "hate whore" part, because for one, I have seen worse examples of such scum before. Two, you don't seem to hate Peach for asinine and pretentious reasons and three, you only seem to dislike her because she's a girly-girl. Well, I guess it just depends on what person you are if you like that character type or not, and honestly, I don't have a problem with this character type, and I for one, completely agree of what is said in this link here: darkangelswork.deviantart.com/…
While there of course are exceptions to this whole topic in general, I still think that Peach isn't one of them. I think that she is one of those good girly-girly characters that certainly wreaks of potential when used right. It's a massive pity that Nintendo still don't seem to have enough beating those undead horses to dust, am I right?
Now, while I also will apologize for the "questioning your social life" insult (as I will admit that that was pretty extreme, too) I guess I have to explain why I think Bowser x Peach is such a feculent and cancerous thought to me. For one, I don't find it romantic at all that Bowser locks Peach up in cells numerous times, because she refuses to hand her kingdom over to him, when he has his own kingdom to begin with! Sounds more selfish, don't you think? Also, all that suffering and misery that Bowser has caused to the Mushroom Kingdom and its people certainly wouldn't convince me to love him if I was Peach, and I'm fairly certain that she thinks the same way at this point, considering that misery and suffering that Bowser has given to her personally! Another thing that makes me question Bowser's logic is that if he truly loves Peach, then why doesn't he just stay in his domain, and just leave her the hell alone?!? But no, his general nature and jealousy over the Mushroom Kingdom and Peach leaning towards Mario lets him take all of that straight to his head, and kidnaps poor Peach to try to force her into changing both her decisions! And all this has happened multiple times! Yeah, this whole "given the time to talk to each other and spend time with each other" ship has sailed a long ass time ago, don't you think?
Also, I don't think that I have to remind you that Bowser won't hesitate to have Mario and his friends killed to fulfill his own goals, and frankly, my dear, Peach is certainly going to give a damn! Heck, if Peach found out that Mario has died, she would do all in her might to find a way to resurrect Mario. Why? Again, because she LOVES him! Not to mention Peach disliking Bowser more and more with every killing attempt passing by! And yes, Peach has that gentle personality of hers, but even that has a limit! Now, call Mario x Peach a cliched pairing all you wish, but I consider it to be a good cliche, like chocolate in gastronomy or Batman and Superman in the superhero genre. It's a couple that can easily warm a person's heart, and I enjoy that feeling.
And that is why I prefer the cliched pairing that makes sense over the one-sided, senseless, bestiality pairing. Jesus...
Nuff said.
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I openly admit that my shipping habits are strange and unlikely to ever happen with the media of origin, and that's what makes it challenging for me to exist out there, because I often support pairings, knowing the likelihood of them happening are very slim, and you get a lot of people who are a trifle unreasonable about that. I by all means acknowledge that Mario and Peach is a far more realistic and heartwarming pairing, and I'm by no means against it. I just have a habit of nestling into the unpopular opinion boat. Most of the internet widely disagrees with me, though I am at least glad you - how do I say this without sounding like I'm trying to insult you - pacified and apologized. I will fully admit my shipping isn't probably going to happen, but I've always been a fan of asking 'what if' and theorizing the results of that very question. I can see you were reading my conversation with Waaksian - her and I are friends, so that's why I spoke differently to her than you. I wasn't sure if you were trying to insult me or if you were just unintentionally being a little too aggressive. The latter happens a lot to people and I like to be reasonable with them. I want to be polite, but there is a limit of being nice to people who have no intention of showing the same to you. To be fair, I'm still not entirely clear on where this conversation stands, but I'm hoping it's on the reasonable debate side.
The simply put thing is that I'm a fan of unpopular opinions and unlikely occurrences in media. But trust me, I'm self-aware that Bowser X Peach, no matter how much I may or may not like it, will never canonically happen. That's nonsense and I'll admit it.
Despised was a poor choice of words when doing this meme and it's why I tried not to use it in my half-assed descriptions. I'll admit, I didn't have time to go into full detail and I figured it would be a waste of time. 9/10 people won't read my logic - broken as it may or may not be - anyways.
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