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This is some sort of response to this: [link] :3(Thanks goes out to ~K-Whittington for suggesting that I should draw an Emily-Ellen picture for a change *lol*)
Emily holds on to her mother's skirt! I think it's funny to compare the two pictures >w<
The look Emily's wearing seems to say: don't go away mommy! Slightly different than the shy expression chibi Kanda wears on the previous picture *lol*
Just a random observation: Ellen is about 20 in this picture and she does look different than she did on the one with chibi Kanda ;3
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SΓΌΓ <3
Aber was ich net verstehe st warum Allen eine Frau ist und Ellen heiΓt xD mΓΆgt ihr etwa keni Shonen ai? xDD
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*lol*
Nee! NatΓΌrlich mag ich Shonen-ai, sonst wΓΌrde ich mir mein Lieblingspairing nicht bei den tollen mΓ€nnlichen Charas zusammensuchen >w<
Das ist mehr oder weniger eine Illustration zu einer Fanfiction von mir (ich schreibe aber auch "normales" Yullen Zeugs *lol*) und ich bekenne mich schuldig ein Fan von Genderbender zu sein. Ist wohl mehr eine "Krankheit" von mir, da ich einfach nicht mehr davon loskomme X3 X3
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xD Na denn is ya alles gut xDD
Ich hatte schon fast angst ich wΓ€r vom anderen Stern ΓΆ_ΓΆ
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*rofl*
Ne, dann wohl schon eher ich, nicht? Ich glaube die Anzahl Leute, die female!Allen (welche ich eben Ellen nenne, obwohl andere irgendwelche Γ€hnlichen Namen geben, aber ich finde Allen->Ellen am logischten *lol*) mag ist nicht allzu gross >w<
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*lol* dann ist ja gut! X3 X3
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It is a very adorable picture.
Ellen looks like she has matured.
I also noticed that Emily is now wearing Kanda's bracelet.
I really do like to see Ellen-Emily interaction.
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Hihi, thank you! :3
Of course Ellen matured; this is kind of the promise that Ellen will overcome the drama of her own creating.
I wondered if the bracelet should just be passed on to Emily, because Kanda initially gave it to Ellen, but I think that it might be nice to give it to her as a protective charm when both her parents are away on missions.
It's still a long way off until I can write about Ellen and Emily interacting - if I will ever get that far in Ivory Tales, but I doubt it. But I should draw them more! ^w^
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I like the idea of the bracelet traveling through the family. I wonder who gave Kanda it? Maybe it was Zhu?
I would like Ellen to meet Zhu at some point.
The bracelet seems to have shrunk, unless Ellen has very tiny wrists like Emily.
Emily really is a small Kanda- they even have the same colour eyes.
I would love to see more pictures of Emily and Ellen.
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I need to know more about Zhu before I can make any decisions on that, but I think it would be fun for them to meet.
You're right, it really must have shrunk *lol* Maybe they made a new one, or modified the old one to fit a child's wrist?
Hihi, yes, Emily looks like a copy of her father, but I've heard that toddlers often look like their fathers (maybe to awaken some sort of paternal instinct? *lol*). I guess Ellen is rather glad that Emily turned out to look like Kanda - he's the handsome one after all *lol*
I will just need to draw them more then! X3
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We've only seen a few glimpses of Zhu, so its hard to say what he is like. He seems to me like a strange old man, and everyone around him assumes that he is going senile. But in truth, might be very sharp.
Kanda seems to be close to Zhu, anyway. I guess Kanda would like Zhu to meet his young bride.
I've never heard of that, but I can guess some reasons as to why everyone seems to want to say toddlers/infants looks like the father. It is very easy to tell maternity, but paternity is not as sure (today there can be tests done) but there is anxiety over whether a baby is from the husband. So, people pointing out similarities (even if their are none) are just a social way of saying "that is your kid". The Kung people always take a new born's name from the father's side of the family, to establish a connection.
Well, Ellen did find Kanda's looks very appealing, and even Charlene was swayed by them. And it has been mentioned that Ellen likes exotic things, so why wouldn't she like an exotic looking baby? And Ellen does not have much confidence in the way she looks, no matter how many times she is complimented.
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Well, we just don't know that much about Kanda yet, but he does seem to be close to him to some extend. And if he is then he really might like to introduce him to Ellen (who is not a beautiful illusion after all *lol*)
True, that's what I was thinking as well; a mother is always sure, but the father isn't. Well, that will not be a problem with Emily though, I doubt that there's anyone who could think that she is not Kanda's child!
An exotic looking baby is just harder to introduce into English society I guess... It's just clear that there is not a pure English heritage and that Ellen must have chosen a husband who is below her standing. But appart from that she certainly chose the right father for her children; they will all turn out to be beautiful. I guess that Ellen is secretly proud to have found herself such a handsome husband *lol* Maybe she'll feel better about her looks later on, she should know that Kanda does not know how to flatter; he's just honest (even though his judgement is influenced by his love for her)
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We know very little about Kanda, and Hoshino had to go on a hiatus just when it was about to be explained. Have you heard any more information about why? I'm hearing it's an accusation of plagiarism. I've seen the picture Hoshino is accused of copying: they are very similar...
I hope Zhu (who Kanda sort of seems to be close to. I remember a recent chapter where Allen and co. thought "Kanda opened his heart a little") accepts Ellen as Kanda's wife. And Kanda did take time out to go and visit Zhu when he was asked to. Zhu was also the one who designed Mugen, so Kanda must have some respect for Zhu.
When Ellen told Kanda she was pregnant, she was very direct is saying she had not slept with anyone else. It was a very difficult position for any girl to be in. The fact that she slept with a man before marriage would make people assume that she was a βlooseβ girl and ot would be difficult to make a man accept responsibility. He could just claim that she had slept with many other men.
I don't think Kanda would ever accuse Ellen of being with another man. And Emily's appearance would stop any rumors. Emily is a mini-Kanda.
Worse yet, her husband (and now child) is not of European descent. At this point of history, England was very xenophobic. The novel Dracula was really a story about the the fear of foreigners.
Yes, Ellen really did get herself a very handsome husband~ She can be very proud of that.
Ellen does seem to feel that she is not pretty, her own mother even told her so. And to have Kanda flatter her, when she knows it can't be true, does not make Kanda look honest. But he really is!
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Yes, this hiatus is really frustrating. And I've heard nothing new apart from the accusations... I hope that they might clear things up a bit in the next issue of Jump. But if it's like with the last hiatus they will just leave the fans hanging and that is a really, really stupid way to act in such a situation.
I can't really tell yet but I think that Zhu would not try to place himself between Kanda and his well-deserved happiness, however, he might remind him that it might have not been the wisest decision to actually marry and start a family when his own existence is uncertain (<- or something like that, I really need more information to make up my mind). But I think Kanda would feel kind of devastated if Zhu told him that he doesn't approve - which he probably won't.
Ellen might have thought that Kanda's initial love for her might have abated over the weeks, that's why she had to reassure him that there was no other man. She doubted Kanda in that moment and I think she probably was right in not being all too optimistic. She doesn't really want him to marry her (as he promised her) but she doesn't want him to think badly of her either...
And I agree; I think that Kanda would have never assumed that this child was not his; he was just speechless that's why he did not reply and she thought she had to affirm that it was his child.
Ellen has made up a heap of reasons why she and Kanda are not a good match. It's not as if she knew her mother would not approve of him, it's just that she thinks that because of various reasons he's not fit to marry her. Which also shows that she is very certain of her own superiority and Kanda's inferiority. English society might be xenophobic, yes, but I think Charlene and her aunt are not really; and Japan was one of those civilizations that were recognized for their individual culture. They were not considered to be savages... Well, but in the DGM story Japan is still closed, therefore it might be a really mystic place nobody really knows anything about. Maybe high society would be very interested to see a "specimen" of that culture (even if this would turn Kanda into some sort of circus attraction... *frown*)
Well, considering the beauty ideals of her time Ellen probably was not beautiful, but the last time her mother saw her she was more a child than a young adult. Ellen should probably just put on a nice dress, do her hair and then look into the mirror. Then she would know that Kanda spoke nothing but the truth. But I guess the fact that people still mistake her for a boy are quite a blow to her ego. *lol*
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Well, this week was golden week in Japan, so there might be an update on DGM's status in the next week's issue. Exorcist Order would update their site when they get more information. I wish they had given Hoshino some time to at least clue up the latest arc, but when accusations of plagiarism start, it might be Jump's policy to pull the series immediately. It makes their company look bad, and the sooner accusations are cleared up, the better for the company, series and mangaka.
It is still very annoying to be left at such an interesting point!
We know so little about Zhu. Well, if he does like Kanda, he would only wnat th best for Kanda. Zhu might not see Ellen as a good choice (different ethnic groups and class were very large gaps in the 19th century). Zhu might also be more willing to point out Ellen's flaws and her petty streak of thinking only of her class position, and the fact she is making Kanda miserable... Kanda would be saddened by Zhu's refusal to approve of the Kanda-Walker match. He will definitely have his loyalties tested. He woudl be obligated to side with his wife, but he has a longer history with Zhu.
I agree that Ellen was right to be very pragmatic about telling Kanda he was the father of her child. And she definitely didn't want Kanda spreading rumors that she was a loose woman and easy to get into bed with...
Ellen really did not know what kind of person Kanda was, and she was very lucky that he is a good guy. (Though Charlene would argue that a good man would not have slept with a girl before marriage...)
I don't think Kanda would enjoy being some sort of conversation peice for the upper class. Like some exotic specimen. And considering that Ellen must also be a very mysterious person to the upper class, to have a foreign husband only adds to the mystery around her.
I read a description for the ideal shape of a woman, though I did not really understand it. The book said the ideal was that women should be well stuffed (like furniture) and comfortable looking. I suppose women with bigger frames, because it would have suggested wealth. A pale complexion was desirable as well (which Ellen has). But all in all, Ellen does not fit all of the requirements to be considered beautiful for her time period. Ideals are always changing.
But seeing as people tell her she looks like a boy, her mother has said she is plain, are very serious blows to any pride she might have had in her appearance. To her, her only pride could be in staying clean, wearing nice expensive clothes and her hair (which is now white and very short. I woudl like to see Kanda's reaction to a picture of a slightly younger Ellen with long brown hair).
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I agree. Even at the expanse of not getting anything concerning Kanda's past, they should have stopped when Phantom thief G arc was over... But then again, if they plan on continuing the manga it might not be that bad to leave if at an almost unbearable cliffhanger X3
Well, I think that Zhu might not know enough about Ellen to judge her, he would more likely think Kanda a fool for thoughtlessly starting a family, but I think that he would approve in the end (because Kanda deserves to be happy for as long as he can)
Kanda is not entirely good either, because you are right to say that he should not have slept with her. But he probably did because he wanted to stay with her (which probably was a rather rash decision seeing as they didn't even knew each other that well...) I also think that Ellen might not have agreed to marry Kanda if she was not "forced" to do so because of her pregnancy... I don't want to say that Kanda is calculating in that aspect, he certainly did not plan it, but now that she is pregnant he has better chances to marry her...
*lol* I guess Kanda would be delighted to see a picture of Ellen with brown hair, even though he really loves her white hair.
And I think now that Ellen is maturing into a woman she might also no longer seem like a boy to other people
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I'm not sure why DGM wasn't immediately halted after Phantom Arc either. Maybe it took awhile for Jump to decide to put DGM under revision. The plagiarism charges come from Madarao and his hand, so it shouldn't have continued after that. And it was a terrible place to leave it! Maybe that it why Hoshino did it? Maybe the fands would pressure Jump to continue or Hoshino could get a contract with another publisher?
As long as Zhu would see Kanda happy, maybe he would approve of the marriage. I wish we knew more about Zhu. It's hard to say if he would even care what Kanda does... or if he feels responsible for what the Order did to Kanda...
Again, Ellen really is right to stop and think about marrying Kanda and to regret sleeping with him. She wasn't even 15 and hadn't know him for more than two months!
Well, Ellen's pregnancy is pretty good for Kanda. To him, Ellen has no choice but to marry him now. He knows Ellen tried to do what is right by her society, and that means avoiding having an illegitimate child. But Kanda didn't sleep with her with the goal of having a child and forcing Ellen to be with him.
I'd say Ellen would love to get her brown hair back, but Kanda is very attached to her white hair.
Well, Kanda did notice upon their reunion that Ellen looked like a woman, and not a girl. But that woudl be because of little Emily.
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Hm, yes, as of now I'll just consider Zhu to be an ambivalent character, who seems to be important to Kanda, but who's also a bit shady (with all his "can you still see the flower" stuff). I don't really know what to do with this situation right now - so I guess I'll just ignore it for the moment, making up my own dramatic past for Kanda X3
Well, really, the fact that Ellen and Kanda slept together that soon was a failure in my plotting abilities - considering that both Ellen and Kanda uphold traditional values it doesn't make much sense that they rushed into this... Well, now I have to do with my mistakes and just make Ellen live through a crisis of emotions clashing with values and that's not that bad either *lol*
But no, Kanda certainly did not plan to have a child (yet?), but he did plan to keep her by his side. Maybe that would have been easy if Ellen had not "woken up" and started being insecure about their relationship.
Ellen probably looks more mature when on the battle field anyway, because then she has to depend on herself and cannot just be some princess / well cared for daughter.
And sure, being pregnant should change the body to some extend. Kanda seems to pay close attentions when he can see even small changes in Ellen after a long separation.
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I'm looking forward to reading the past you create for Kanda.
There isn't much else to do, until Hoshino comes back and reveals his past.
On the battlefield, more is expected of Ellen. At first, she really did not want to fight, but she has had to change her mind. I'm glad that she isn't satisfied with being protected. She admitted she also could not leave Kanda alone, and maybe her time with Linali helped Ellen realize she could not act as a little princess anymore.
It's cute that even after months of separation, Kanda could immediately tell that she had changed.
I wonder if Ellen will ever call Kanda "Yuu".
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Well, I don't think I will need to write my take on Kanda's past before Hoshino tells us the real version - at least I hope it will not take her so long to come back!
At least on the battlefield Ellen can accept her responsibility. Which of course makes sense seeing as she saw her life as a means to repent for turning Mana into an Akuma. Luckily, she also found another purpose than use her life for repentance alone (only that it shifted to protect and save... it's still not living her own life...)
Using Kanda's first name is a bit awkward in the English language... Well, I also think that Ellen uses his last name because it implies respect and also some kind of distance. And Kanda wants to be addressed as "Kanda"... But maybe he wants to called "Yu" now that they will be married soon.
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I guess we can only wait and pay attention to any news that comes out about Hoshino...
Ellen really can't avoid her problems on the battlefield, she has no choice but to face them And they are very direct problems. Well, Ellen might see herself as a servant at that point, and she has to make up for what she did to Mana...
I heard one story about a couple in japan, before they were married, the girl called her boyfriend with "kun". But after they were married, she called him with "san". It seems marriage makes a relationship more formal. Kanda really hates it when other call him by "Yu". But Kanda might not have been influenced that way and would prefer that his wife could call him by his first name. Kanda might want to be on more informal, close terms with Ellen.
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Jump should be out soon (if it isn't already) I hope for news... >-<
Yes, I guess I have heard something like this as well. But marriage could also allow intimacy, especially in high society circles because the women didn't address their fiancΓ©s or potential husbands with the first name (but I think men did? I can only go by the novels I read...).
Well, Kanda doesn't alway call Ellen by her name, mostly using "beansprout" (or even less nice things like idiot *lol*) and only switching to "Ellen" in more intimate / emotional moments. Ah right, and Ellen needs to reveal to him that she is actually not called Ellen Walker but Ellen Bermont instead (because I think it would be nice that he knew before he hears it the first time during their wedding *lol*)
Ellen first called Kanda "Mister Kanda" until he asked her to just call him "Kanda" instead. But I think she might occasionally switch to "Yu" (if it doesn't annoy him) after they are married and she is technically called Kanda as well... It depends on how much emotional value the name "Yu" has for Kanda. He might want her to call him by his first name later on like you said...
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Well, vol. 18 is set to be released, but no new information about Hoshino's case.
I don't think their marriage would be legal if Ellen used an assumed name like "Walker". So it would be best if she told Kanda she was a Bermont. But I think Kanda would try to find out the history of the Bermont family (possibly through Lavi)...
It would be odd to refer to your husband by last name, since she also has that last name. It's hard to say if Kanda likes his name or if he only wants those who are close to him to call him "Yu".
"Yu" does sound a lot like "Zhu"...
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At least news about the release of the new volume are good news...
Well, Ellen has to reveal her real name eventually, I don't think that it not being legal is her main concern, she would just feel bad with this secret - it's something she must confess in order to not feel burdened by secrets (even though his secrets don't bother her that much). Kanda might have already guessed that she's called Bermont because of the room in the Pilatus filler mission. He probably does have an interest in finding out about Ellen's background, Rabi probably is a good source for information he certainly must know something about them (if they are as important as Ellen claims *lol*)
We don't really know if "Yu" is the name he received later on or if it's his real name... It does sound similar... Anyway, I doubt that Ellen will start calling herself "Ellen Kanda"... She'll stick to Ellen Walker instead - which probably hurts Kanda to some extend because she refuses to accept his name and to think of herself as the wife of Yu Kanda... That's why she probably will continue with "Kanda", I think it would be awkward for her to suddenly change to "Yu", maybe if she knows him better (or if Kanda really insists, but I doubt it)
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Ellen should probably worry about what secrets Kanda is hiding from her. He flatly refuses to tell her anything about his past. It is strange that Ellen has not forced the issue, but I suppose that she is preoccupied, and knowing his past would not change the fact that they must marry.
Ellen would probably want to stick with the name "Walker", as she did take it for her uncle's sake. Though Kanda would take it as another rejection, and I doubt he would like it even if Ellen explained her reasoning.
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Well, I think that Ellen knows that whatever Kanda has lived through in his past is probably painful for him to tell. Her past was the same but she was fine with telling it to Kanda. Maybe she also thinks that hearing a man's past might not be all too proper? Of course, they have to marry now, it would be good for her to know about his circumstances, his family etc. But Kanda might be grateful that she does not press him, to even speak about his mother might already be a first step towards "confessing".
Well, Ellen was "forced" to call herself Ellen Walker by Cross, but she accepted the name (and the weight it carries) pretty fast, even seeing herself as a Walker woman (which she is to some extend). Hm, Kanda isn't always all too sensitive, therefore I do not know if he would understand what it means for her to keep her name. On the other hand it is a refusal, because Ellen does not want everybody in the order to know that she is now married to Kanda. She can continue fooling herself a bit longer, but eventually she must accept the "burden" of being a Kanda. And maybe when she does, Kanda will also ready to tell her what his past is.
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I think it would be better for Ellen to have a better understanding of the man she is marrying. After all, Kanda's family would become her family. And knowing and not knowing won't alter the fact she has to marry Kanda. It also might help her understand him better, and maybe fall for him.
Ellen does seem to identify more readily with the Walker family than the Bermont. She seems to think that her Bermont is a rather heavy name to bear and causes her a lot of problems.
Maybe Kanda would not understand. He is a bit thickheaded and would probably quickly notice any perceived slight on himself (because Ellen has done so before, when she thought marrying him was beneath her). Added to the fact she would prefer no one knew she was married to Kanda. I think when he accepts the "Kanda" name, it would be a sign she has matured enough for Kanda to trust her with some of his past.
When Ellen does take the name "Kanda", she might become the most feared woman in the Order...
I recently heard that baby's do resemble their fathers in the first year of life! And it is an evolutionary advantage, because father's would be less likely to abandon a child they thought was theirs!
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Of course, she should know and should want to know as much as possible about Kanda. But I have to keep him from telling because I still hope that Hosino gives me some information so that I will be able to weave parts of the canon past into my take on his past. And I do not think that Kanda would want to burden her with his own dark past (to put it dramatically). I guess that the mere fact of him being troubled with what he had to live through is enough to make Ellen feel for him (maybe not yet to fall for him completely, but she will eventually).
Kanda probably has a lot of pride, therefore any form of reluctancy on Ellen's part might irritate him or even hurt him. He does care enough about Ellen to really try to understand her view point, but I doubt he really can. Especially the fact that Ellen might chose another family name over his (becaues it would mark her as his wife, and he would be certainly keen on that reassurance).
Yes, Ellen might really become feared! But I doubt she'll ever have such a bad reputation as Kanda has! >w<
Well, Kanda will certainly be very fond of his little Emily, maybe because she will be so like him (probably more than Robert or Lisa). Nobody will doubt that he, the grumpy Kanda, really has a daughter (especially with Ellen!). He must be proud! ;3
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Kanda's past might take a long time to be properly revealed.
True, Kanda might not want to burden her, but I hope Ellen insist on knowing. She is his wife, and she should help him. Just like Kanda will want to help Ellen with any of her problems. Ellen has already expressed an earlier wish to be on equal footing with Kanda, so I hope she does not become passive in her marriage. She should try and push Kanda to reveal his past. After all, he knows her past.
When will Ellen take Kanda's name? I mean, she is preganant and the Order will find out. Simply by observation! And it her new last name is not publicly known, then people would think she was still a Walker, and that she was having an illegitimate child.
But Kanda would take it as an insult, that Ellen would rather keep their marriage a secret and not take his last name.
But when it is finally revealed, I do think (at least the Finders) will become somewhat frightened of Ellen, a girl who married the much feared Kanda. So, simply by being associated with Kanda would make her a figure of awe and mystery, and fear.
Kanda will make such a good papa, which might make people fear him even more.
From the drawings, Emily is the one that resembles Kanda the most. However, Asian features are more dominant than European, so technically all of their children should resemble Kanda.
Kanda would be very proud to have beautiful wife and adorable daughter.
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Well, if Ellen got over the "shock" of being married to Kanda she might want him to reveal his past so that she at least knows who she married - his family background should be important, both for her as his wife and as his friend. She is certainly keen on helping Kanda as much as she can, but I doubt he would want her to meddle with his past.
You're right, she does want to be equal, she is afraid that he might like her less because she's a woman. Now that she really slipped back into her "proper girl" mode she is quite endangered to become someone Kanda can not respect as an equal... She should also be able to counteract him if he ever thinks about controlling or patronizing her.
She will probably do so around the time of the Black Order's relocation or after Cross disappeared. She is already a suspect and people think she might be a heretic. Beign Kanda's wife might help keeping the rumours down because people would not dare to bad-mouth Ellen when there's a chance of Kanda overhearing.
I agree, all children should look Asian, but I just took some liberties while designing because if they had turned out too similar it would have been boring... *lol* Such a bad excuse X3
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It would be in their best interest as couple, to know each others past. To Ellen, what is the point of being married to a stranger? If she had married someone of her mother's choice, his past would not have mattered. Ellen would have obediently married the guy. She would have had to trust her mother's judgment. With Ellen, there should eventually be some anxiety over knowing exactly who Kanda is.
Ellen really did want to be Kanda's equal and did not seem to think it possible if Kanda knew her real gender. So she did not tell him. But now they have a different relationship: Kanda is not teaching her martial arts and in marriage, respect is not that important (at this time period). But I suppose Ellen still wants that equality. She was raised by Charlene, who had a lot of freedom and was never constrained like a married woman would have been. But because Ellen feels it is necessary to act like a "good" girl and respectful, even if she wants to be able to argue with Kanda, she might feel she should not. She has already been "bad", and got herself into a delicate situation.
Kanda does have a frightening reputation in the Order, but also one that is obedient to the Order. He always completes his missions, no matter what. That reputation alone could benefit Ellen as his wife. And the Finder and scientists who were doubting Ellen would not dare to do so publicly once Kanda heard it. Though I doubt Ellen would bring the rumors to Kanda's attention.
Well, their children will look cute anyway.
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Well, right now Ellen has no choice but to marry a stranger and I guess she is just too preoccupied to worry about his past right now. She would have trusted her mother's judgement, but she cannot trust her own - she feels that she can like and rely on Kanda. But she does not dare to force him speaking about things that make him feel uncomfortable, but once she dares she will probably become curious...
Right. Ellen probably still longs to be able to interact with Kanda on an equal level, but as soon as they marry she feels that the power balance should shift towards him and that she is no longer allowed to feel or even want to be equal to him. Of course, Kanda does not want to have a weak-willed puppet as a wife; it was the a bit more "boyish" and determined Ellen he fell in love with - he must want her to stay like that.
Of course, there are also positive parts of Kanda (like his reliablity as an exorcist) that can benefit Ellen when she's in a bad situation. If Kanda, who is loyal to the order, chooses to side with Ellen that might make the other people doubt the rumours about her... Well, Ellen does not even have to bring the rumours to his attention; if he keeps his ears open then he'll know... But maybe those rumours will not even be a real issue in Ivory Tales, I haven't found the occasion yet to include them. Maybe once Leverrier and Link appear.
Yes, they will! With such parents! *lol*
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I hope Kanda makes it clear that he liked Ellen as she was (independent and argumentative) and that those are qualities that attracted him to her. Ellen is going to think she has to take up a traditional role where she is submissive and quiet and subordinate to Kanda. And though Kanda is traditional at times, he doesn't want Ellen to be his slave. But it would be difficult for them to return to that state where they were equals. As a married couple, people will expect them to behave in a traditional way, and Ellen woudl always know that Kanda could always (legally and socially) dominate her.
Of course, the Order could assume that Ellen seduced Kanda because she thought he would be useful (if everyone thinks that Ellen really might be working for the Earl) and doubt her for corrupting a strong exorcist.
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I guess the fact that both of them are still exorcists could help Ellen keep the feeling of being equals despite their roles of husband and wife. Most people in the Black Order to not know that they are married (at least not until a later point) so Ellen might not feel pressured into taking a submissive role. If she were back at home she would probably feel obliged too. I think that Kanda will tell her that he doesn't want her to be his slave or his inferior, but you're right, the fact that he could dominate her because of his positon as her husband, probably still influences Ellen (at least at the beginning of their marriage).
I haven't thought about it in that way - yes, of course they might think that she seduced him. If they have lost all faith in Ellen they might assume that. And those who don't know her at all might think badly of her anyway. Until Kanda gets wind of it. That will be the end of them >w<
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True, they will both have to continue being exorcists. And Ellen will feel it is alright for her to continue to at as she always does, because she does not want anyone suspecting that she has married Kanda. She can continue to argue with him in public.
Kanda would never want Ellen to be submissive, but he will have to be really clear about it. But i think Ellen will always know (in the back of her mind) that Kanda could (if he wanted to) pull the Husband Card and she would have to do what he says.
And people will figure out that Ellen was pregnant before they married, so that would make people suspect she seduced Kanda for her own benefit. The Order seems like a very suspicious place, but we know very few of the Order members beside Komui, his scientists and the exorcists.
Anyone who would slander Kanda's wife would not live very long.
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Well, I just wondered; I guess that they do need to inform Komui. I don't know if they will have to rearrange rooms so that Ellen and Kanda share one (though Ellen might feel that this would be invading her privacy, and Kanda certainly would need some privacy as well). Rabi will probably find out through Kanda and Linali through Komui (or Kanda or Rabi).
True, Ellen will probably try to behave the same around him than before to keep up appearances.
Well, when Ellen is completely comfortable about their relationship I doubt that she would submit herself to Kanda even if he used the "Husband Card" (sounds great *lol*). She might do if they were in the company of other people like her relatives or high society.
Hm. The suspicious people might not be aware of the exact date of their marriage, so they can only guess. But if they do want to suspect Ellen then they will probably use this as a reason for dislike... everbody that knows Allen a bit better does not suspect him, they still trust him even after it was revealed that he's the 14th. At least it appears as if they would still trust him.
*lol*
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If they wanted to keep their marriage a secret for as long as possible, they would not share a room. I think they would both want their privacy. They both seem to be a little unsure of what their relationship should be, and I don't think they are ready to be sharing a bed yet. They are both used to having privacy.
I don't think Kanda would ever want to keep their marriage a secret, like it were shameful or something. He would probably tell Rabi.
Ellen does not want everything to change so quickly, and it is changing very quickly. I suppose Ellen wants things to remain as they are.
The first time Ellen is submissive to Kanda, he would freak out. He's used to her being quiet and sullen at times, but not subservient to him. Once they have their marriage sorted out, I think their relationship will go back to what it was: familiar bantering and arguing.
I'm not sure if people of the Order know Allen very well. He has only been to the Headquarters a few times. The first time, when he arrived, and then he came back after a mission with Kanda, and then only after Japan.
And the fact Allen is the 14th is not widely known. Only a few staff members and the exorcists know. And we only know that Linali is still on good terms with him.
Oh, I read the latest chapter on Ivory Tales! I was hoping that knowing Charlene would have had Ellen marry a Noah would have emboldened Ellen a little more and been grateful to have chosen her own husband.
I cannot fault Ellen for wanting to be rid of the child. Her life would be better without that complication and she really is too young to be a mother. Of course, she doesn't go through with it, but what stops her?
I did love the apparition of Ellen. Was that Ellen in the future talking to her, or was it the 14th inside of her?
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True... It might be best for them to keep separate rooms even though Kanda might have an interest in sharing a room with her from time to time... But they do need their privacy...
Rabi already knows about the pregnancy so it can't do any harm for him to also know of their marriage. But Ellen will proably feel uneasy with him knowing because he could again reprimand her for being too cold towards Kanda...
I am a bit surprised that we haven't seen Rabi and Allen interacting since it was revealed that Allen carried the 14th's memories. It makes me wonder why. Nothing much changed between Linali and Allen, or Kanda and Allen (only that they seem to be spending more time together)
I think Ellen had too many things on her head to think about her having made a better choice than her mother. She just feels cornered, there is nothing positive about the situation from her point of view. She will - after the marriage - spend some more thoughts on her near engagement with Tyki and she will also contact her mother about it (refusing the match of course).
I needed to bring this child eating Innocence once again, so this seemed like the best opportunity. She does want to be rid of the child because it would have been easier. The scene (or what will happen in the next chapter) should highlight her fear of accepting responsibility. It's an internal battle, that's why Ellen will stop herself without anybody else's help. One can then guess whether she stopped because she is too strong and responsible to kill her own child (not that there was a guarantee that the Innocence would have worked the way it did, she probably would just have killed herself as well...) or because she is afraid to do it - because then she would also be responsible for the death of her child.
To tell the truth I am not sure yet what I want the apparition to be been *lol* Either her Innocence talking to her or the 14th - but rather the 14th because of the wavy hair ;3
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Kanda would probably want to keep an eye on Ellen by sharing a room, eventually. But they both seem to be private people, so the idea of sharing close quarters might not seem appealing. I suppose when the move to the new Order, they might get a shared bedroom with their own bathroom? I don't think Ellen will want to go to a communal bath when she is 8 months along.
People must really think Ellen has a cold heart... But Rabi isn't supposed to make any comments, just record. But I suppose, for his "best friend", he would occasionally try and help out their marriage. But I do think it unfair that people will be telling Ellen how to behave.
Well, when Allen was thrown into the wall, some of the exorcists did come over to see him. But it was really brief interaction.
I do find it interesting how everyone is telling Ellen to take responsibility for her actions (ie. sleeping with Kanda). They really do make it seem all Ellen's fault, and she is where the blame lies. She really is too young.
There is some hope for their marriage after all. Ellen will have to eventually confront her mother, after her own marriage and her near-engagement to Tyki. I really hope Ellen does mature a bit more after this. She needs to learn to rely on her own judgment.
An interesting fact, there were more abortions in the 19th century than there are today. It is a common misconception that because something is illegal, people do not do it. Of course, it was not done in medical facilities and many women died from complications.
Ellen could also use the Arc's library to find information to break Kanda's curse. It must be an amazing library with a lot of interesting books.
Hm, the apparition that appeared to Ellen mentioned that her marriage could be a prison. But does that mean her marriage will be what she makes of it. If Ellen is determined to be miserable, then it will be a miserable marriage. But if she wants to be happy, then it will be a happy marriage. If she thinks it is a disappointing union and a prison, that is what is will be?
I do think Kanda will try and get her to see the positive side to being married, and he is warming up to the idea of being a father.
I think I will come to really like the 14th talking to Ellen.
I suppose the 14th will reprimand her and give her advice?
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Hm, yes. By the time they change locations they might decide to share a room, they probably will if they're allowed to.
Of course it's unfair for others to judge Ellen, but they are probably trying to help, at least Rabi is. Well, I don't know how intimate they will now be (intimate as friends I mean) because of what happened in the Ark. Linali might also try to help ameliorate their relationship...
Ellen is young, yes. But she should be able to take some responsibility, not on her own, but with the help of Kanda, her friends and relatives. She should not be expected to be abl to deal with it without assistance, it's just too much.
I am not really informed about abortions in the victorian times... I know about during the second world war and today, but that's not really helping much. I doubt that Ellen would have considered an abortion though; if somebody had told her to do it and taken her to someone then yes, she probably would have because then it would not have been her making the decision. I wonder what would have happened if Kanda had voiced disapproval of her pregnancy...
I guess it was pretty common in Victorian times for girls or woman to fear marriage because of it's restrictions. Ellen is probably mixing her fears of what she read about bad, confining marriaged with her fear of what a marriage to Kanda could do to her. It's just a "no way out" situation for Ellen. And the apparition makes that clear to Ellen, but it's of course ambiguous. It does not have to be a prison; it's like you say: it could be what Ellen thinks it to be. But I guess marrying Kanda will not be a prison because he will not restrict her as a woman of her rank probably would have been had she married a random Lord (or Tyki *lol*). She actually is very lucky, even though it will also be quite difficult (not because they don't like each other, but because of their backgrounds and family situations)
Yes, I guess the 14th will mostly do just do, reprimand (maybe also mock her at times for being foolish or naΓ―ve) and give advice... The 14th is just some sort of inner voice who knows what to do when Ellen doesn't (maybe he/she's also a bit dangerous, because one cannot know what the 14th has in mind)
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Well, Link might still be around so sharing a room might be difficult. Though I can't see the Order having Ellen and Link share a room. The church would see it as improper.
I wonder what Kanda's reaction to the 14th will be? Ellen will still be his wife, but Kanda must hate the Noah clan.
One the Arc, Rabi did say some things that Ellen was not comfortable with. When Ellen saw him again, she did wonder if those were his true feelings. I guess Rabi is more sympathetic with Kanda (because he knows Kanda's past and thinks Ellen is being silly), but does believe that Kanda and Ellen can have a happy marriage.
Well, she conceived a child when she was 14, and the age of consent was 16, so really Ellen should not be expected to have any responsibility. Technically, this makes Kanda a criminal.
Ellen might not even know what an abortion is. If her mother never told her, and it never came up with Mana.
I surprised that Cross did not suggest getting one. He isn't exactly a good catholic and it would be more important to the Order that Ellen can fight. I would i,imagine the Order has an official policy of disapproving of abortions, but secretly would let them happen.
If Kanda had disapproved (like it was all Ellen's fault), Ellen would have been in a lot of trouble. If he would not have taken responsibility she would have been placed in an agonizing position.
I hope Kanda realizes her fears, because they are well founded fears, and at least attempts to assure her he will never harm her or confine her. The real problem is, that Ellen has already made up her mind that it will be an unsatisfying marriage and that she should not feel happy over it.
I'm looking forward to the 14th's appearances. Though whatever the 14th says can never be fully trusted.
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Well, Link will keep an eye on Ellen, but I don't really know if they can share a room. Maybe they will, but there would at least be some kind of room separation. But I guess it might still be improper to have Link share a room with a young (married) woman, while the actual husband has to sleep somewhere else. X3 Link, as a person who cares a lot about rules, probably doesn't really want to share a room with her... (unless Leverrier ordered it, but I doubt he will)
Kanda's reaction to the 14th... Hum. I think that for him Ellen is Ellen and he needs to support her. He probably doesn't expect Ellen to turn against them, or he hopes that she will not. He might then come into a conflict, but I would stick with Ellen no matter what happens.
I thought about that before, but I don't think that anybody would charge Kanda because he had sex with Ellen.
True, Cross could have suggested an abortion, but I think he sees some merit in making Ellen face the consequences of her actions. An abortion would just have been a free ticket for Ellen out of her problems. Well, it certainly is not that good if an Exorcist can no longer fight due to having a child, but the child might turn out to be compatible. It would be bad to kill a potential exorcist.
Ellen will realize that her marriage to Kanda is way better than she feared. He will not take her and lock her in and her mother will not disown her. Of course, her fears are justified. Kanda does understand her position but thinks that she is overreacting. He feels that he is good enough as a husband, despite his lack of social standing, but Ellen cannot see Kanda's merits at the moment...
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Well, maybe because Ellen is a girl, the Order will not consider her too much of a threat and will not require that Link share her room.
Or possibly one of the 14ths followers did not betray her to the Order, so they do not know how Ellen could control the Arc. (I have to wonder if the 14th anticipated one of his followers betraying him).
I hope that brings Ellen and Kanda close. She must have been certain that Kanda would abandon her for being a Noah. She had been making their marriage difficult and he did not seemed thrilled at the idea of a child. She must know it would be an opportunity to divorce her (especially if she worries about Emilia and how friendly they have been -though I think all friendliness would be on Emilia's side, Ellen would still worry).
Well, Kanda did violate the law. But I doubt anyone would bring it up against Kanda- who is scary and an exorcist.
Well, Ellen will mature and see her marriage is not what she had feared and that she did chose a good man.
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Hm, yes, maybe. Or they would find other means to confine her - like convincing Kanda to use his status as a husband to constrict her movement (but he would not consent). Ellen probably is less dangerous than Allen potentially is. I think she has more to lose (friends and family).
Well, I wonder about that betrayer... I did not really get that anyway. I guess that Ellen will be supervised but not as tightly or for the same reasons.
I think the fact that Kanda never betrays Ellen's trust is a good way to make them become closer. Under no circumstances would Kanda want to let go of Ellen, even though she might think he will. She will certainly be anxious when it becomes known that she is the 14th. But Kanda was also quite calm and understanding when Ellen told him about the fact that she knows the melody to control the Ark. But Kanda is not that fond of Mana - he seems pretty shady after all.
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from Allen's past, we know he is a survivor and will continue even without his friends. He has even admitted that at first, all he really cared about were akuma, and he thought people were irrelevant. As a man, his position is society is more secure, because he can act independently. Ellen is less secure, especially in a male-run institution like the Order. Rather than stand up for herself, she might have to implore men to defend her from Central.
Central would try and use Kanda's position as her husband to confine her, which would only confirm Ellen's fears about her marriage. Just knowing that Kanda could constrict her makes her wary. But Kanda would probably refuse to do so.
Well, as long as Kanda never disappoints her, is never unfaithful, and never betrays her, Ellen will eventually grow and realize that she can depend on him.
Kanda had better not mention his dislike of Mana to Ellen. She would not like that at all.
And Mana is the one person in her family who would have welcomed Kanda.
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Yes, of course, Ellen is far more restricted than Allen is. She does have to rely on other people. Maybe Mana wanted her to give a taste of the feeling of independancy (and even Cross made her travel a two days long journey all on her own - which in itself should be totally unacceptable), but Ellen's attachment to people and her own feeling of dependancy (because she had been taught to rely on others) will not make independant actions possible... It would of course be interesting to see how Ellen would cope all on her own, I think she could as an exorcist on the battlefield, but not as a woman out in society...
I doubt Kanda would ever agree to use his power as Ellen's husband for something like this - he does want Ellen's trust after all... The best way to do that (and Kanda should know) is to act as he did before (and do the things you suggested)
Well, certainly, he should not criticize Ellen's family members at the moment - now when Ellen is really unsure. But whether or not Mana would have welcomed Kanda is another question. He might have for the sake of his niece's happiness, but he had a secret agenda as well - Ellen marrying Kanda was certainly not a part of his plan... X3
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Good, proper girls did not act independently and go off on their own. I hope Ellen does get over that need to fit societies expectations and be dependent. Mana and Cross did try and give her a taste of freedom, but I would think that Mana's attempts would have more consequence. Ellen trusts Mana and they went on more trips together. Cross forced her (which also has benefits. Not every man is going to act like kind Mana. Ellen should get used to being independent and self-reliant).
But the Order could pressure Kanda to use force against Ellen. What if Kanda thought it was for Ellen's own good, or he thought it was the only way to protect Ellen?
I suppose in Mana's plans Kanda is a hindrance how might get in Ellen's way. Mana has his secret agenda and has things he wants Ellen to accomplish. She might not be able to do those things with a husband and child.
I wonder, did Mana even want Ellen to ever get married? It would have been difficult, considering that she is turning into a Noah, and I think Mana might have been more realistic in acknowledging few men would want to marry Ellen. But did he think his plans would be accomplished before Ellen would have (normally) gotten married?
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I think that, the more time Ellen spends at the order, where it's expected of her to be independent (or she would be useless as an exorcist), the more secure she will become on actually doing things on her own. He might regain her willingness not to depend on other people, because she knows that she can manage alone.
Well, yes, that's of course a possibility. If Kanda thought that keeping Ellen locked up in the order, then he might chose to do so. He had also thought that when Ellen lost her Innocence it would be best for her to go back to her mother; he would have welcomed that, because she would be safe there. Ellen probably is used to being confined to her own chamber, but being locked in by Kanda might not make her all that happy. But I think that Kanda would soon realize that it's not good to use force with Ellen, no matter the circumstances, because it will just backfire on him. If she is more secure with Kanda she might just beat him for trying to tell her what to do, but at the beginning of their marriage, such behaviour would be fatal...
Well, maybe Mana thought that it was unnecessary for Ellen to marry. He tried to raise her in a way that did not ultimately lead to marriage. She would be more powerful if she didn't marry, but we saw with Cyril (if he really is a Noah and I guess he is) that they can also be married. But he might have wanted Ellen to be as free and unrestrained as possible so that she can do what she wants and go where she wants while being a Noah (and doing whatever Mana wants her to do, I'm still a bit at a loss what that is *lol* I always thought it invovled saving humanity in some way or another, now I'm not so sure anymore)
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