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Thomas looks like a miniature gauge engine compared to your O scale Narrow gauge coaches.
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Technically they are 16mm scale but yes they do run on O gauge track, ruffly comparable to the S5 models basically. I've had to abandon these kits unfortunately as I found them to be oversized and flawed in their accuracy but am pursing other options, concentrating more on different projects currently though i'm afraid.
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...Ron Burgundy?
Sorry bad joke. No Claire is not in IoS or any other source material, just a name chosen for the forth open seen in the Surprise Packet
I still need to do a little more TR research but i'm planing to base her on the original No.8 complete with a hand brake
[img]i.imgur.com/ABxinXw.png[/img]
in order to also serve as a sort of proxy brake van when needed while Ada, Jane and Mable will be unbraked like the original No.11.
[img]i.imgur.com/2varWxs.png[/img]
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I'm very impressed! 
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Thanks, my interest in RWS research can pay dividends sometimes I've actually got kits for all the other named SR rolling stock on order so i'm going to busy this winter
I'm a bit stuck with the seating at the moment but with the first coat of fence staining applied just now I can see this first project properly coming together
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They're looking great!
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Thanks 
I'm making life difficult for myself with this fuss-arsing and I may fall back on the provided solid seats if necessary but I'm currently hoping to model the RWS coaches Kenny's way if possible. It would be ok if I were modelling in 7/8th Scale but in SM32 (1:19.05) I can not find any machined wood thin enough or vice verser long enough,
but i'm hoping someone on Shapeways will get back to me about adapting one of their bench designs or failing that try using Hobbycraft's smallest round dowels and rectangle them up a bit via a bit of knife scraping.
With limited aid from various TR books brushing up on the Penrhyn library side of things yesterday has been helpful as in this image I can see there is a mid point support to the seating on these later batch additions rather than the end-to-end X brace on the earlier solid seat design, so this support makes the strips significantly stronger and provides an extra glueing point
Apologies for the prototype tangent, now to fashion up some TR/SR buffer beams for painting tomorrow
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SleeperAgent1 are these coaches the same as the large scale narrow gauge engines?
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No, they're larger as SM32 is 1:19.05 while the TV models were a little below G1/1:32 it seems. It's hard to pin them down due to the largely freelance nature of the rolling stock and engines but as an example the slate trucks that crashed into Peter Sam were built up from O gauge flat trucks and my opens above are almost twice as wide as them (though both near enough run on the same width track-I'll take a comparison picture when they've further advanced).
thomastankmerch.blogspot.co.uk…
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Sir Handel: "What scale are the trucks?..."
Peter Sam: "No Sir Handel; they are coaches."
Sir Handel: "But they don't have roofs so they are trucks..."
Peter Sam sighed: "SleeperAgent1, what scale are those pieces of rolling stock?"
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Sleeper Agent: "They're 1:19.05" he smiled.
Sir Handel : "Blimey that's bigger than our TV show models" he exclaimed!
Peter Sam : "So you won't need to hide equipment in the trains behind the engines then?" asking inquisitively.
Sleeper Agent: "Hopefully not."
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Looking good thus far, and I understand that the site you ordered them from were having a discount hence the 4th open coach.
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Early days so far but thanks
Convenient group discount aside the Surprise Packet's fourth is actually really useful even if you don't consider it canon, as the SR's known coaching stock is well below what the TR has. Not that i'm ever likely to operate as many trains in comparison to a busy TR timetable but it would be nice to be able to set up a few passing loop sequences and such.
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You're quite welcome. Yeah, it's probably better to plan out the more difficult parts first before going in and doing all the easy bits so that you don't end up finding any possible mistakes that'd take longer to fix otherwise (if any of that made sense); basically, you'd have to get the build to a point where you're happy before going on to sand and paint. Which is something I will have to bear in mind myself should I get round to doing TV model replicas.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a 4th open coach to go with Ada, Jane and Mabel as there is only the three of them as well as the main 4 coaches, Gertrude, Millicent and the Saloon coaches.
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My my my my friend these coaches are certainly a large scale project. Ertl Thomas is roughly 1:64 scale, Bachman Annie is actually OO as I recently found out which is 1:76and my Garden Railway I plan to build is G scale so thats 1:32 but these these look a bit larger than even that. but the quality looks great my friend I look forward to more.
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Aye, biggest thing i've ever worked in For displaying purposes I thought I'd pair them against a few different Thomas toy ranges as a reference
Even though it can be used on O gauge track G scale is more of an American thing so it's not really used in the UK much but I do know of a person that made a loco close to Neil's prototype from a Ruby kit. It's not quite a beginners project but the author does cover the bash with some detail in 'Building Small Steam Locomotives', might be of interest to you even if you aren't looking to do live steam version.
www.amazon.com/Building-Small-…
www.gardentrainsinformation.co…
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I could of sworn.... Ah that's the problem my scale calculator lists G scale as three differnt sizes 1:32 and 1:22.5 are on there I just made a small error. All I know is Gauge 1 and G scale use the same track size so the TV show models would run on G scale track as it is Gauge 1 as well. Hmm I must remeasure something to see if it is in correct scale or still too tall for use.
Trust me my layout will take time to build but I want a gaurden railway and I prefer larger scales for detail and also I'm a bit afraid of any thing smaller than HO/OO odd that G1 and G scale both have the same connection in that they use the same track but are differnt scales. I thought Gauge 3 was bigger than that personally I got that impression watching Mark Found's Garden Railway the models on one featured railway were massive as long a blokes arm (From hand to should and the engine was one of the GWR look alike ten wheelers so I can't say if it was a Manor, Hall, Star, King or Castle but you get my point I'm sure) and coaching stock was just as large and the man interviewed said it was Gauge 3.
Hmm I have a old book on Railway modeling (Great book one of the reasons I dreamed of a garden layout since I was a kid.) It has various pictorial showings for idea but hmm I best make sure because one of my engines is a model I got to replace a model my grandfather gave me. It's the same set built by New Bright Toys only a Mogul instead of a Prairie same engine mold and stock just differnt livery and such and it's G scale (Though a Generic American outline and not prototypical at all) and it is by that standard my layout is to be built upon as a tribute to a great man who knew I loved trains and loved me dearly. I miss him a lot.
I'll look into those books my friend. Been finding great success purchasing books of the UK and US lately thanks to Amazon and Abebooks. So I'll see what I can find.
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Yeah between scale and shared gauges it can be confusing anyway but with different international standards it's more like a minefield!
I have to agree about the benefits of larger scales, OO/HO and below is quite fiddly. What type of garden layout are you thinking of btw? My plan currently is to mostly focus on building up some rolling stock and engines but I'll have to do a starter layout sooner or later for testing purposes if nothing else and also just to get a feel for outdoor construction. The eventual plan is to hopefully model a few SR locations on a patch of the farm somewhere but anything on that scale is quite a big undertaking for a solo project and the cost of raw materials plus a garden shed for storing the trains when out of use would also be something to take into consideration.
My O gauge (your O gauge is 1:48 instead of 1:43.5) Claud is about 37cm, which is only 2cm shy of the length between my inside elbow joint to my big finger so even in G1 Molly would be pretty sizeable as you can see against my SM32/1:19.5 Dolgoch kit.
I've brought a few garden layout books recently but found DVDs to be a lot better to get one's head around the very different nature of one vs an indoor layout. Ideally I'll want some partial shelter for my structures but ultimately one needs to build things to endure. Resin moulding buildings are really good in this regard but wooden structures and the like can take some knocks if creosoted and looked after a bit.
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Indeed the converter I uses has a handy list of most model scales with the names so I can find out what is truly what thankfully. It's the only reason I know the loco sprites I've made are TT scale.
Hmm well my line is a evolving one at the moment I so far only have a plan for the engine shed area. I haven't had the chance to survey it and that is important to do before you make any decisions. That was phase one of Mark Found's show. I wish I had the space the late Bob Symes had as I agree with his sentiment a railway whether real or model should not see it's end from one end. Or to simply say it you don't want to see it chasing it's tail Richard Ince is another man I follow the sentiment of for railways and I quote "It's my railway and I can Joll well do what I like with it." by that I mean I'm not going to limit myself by outline of locomotive if I want to have a engine of Rocket's design along side a UP 4000 class that is my choice and no one is telling me no. (No I have no plans to put a Big Boy on my line maybe a rocket or one of the older engines but no Big Boy after all it is reasonably British in influence being based off my CVR line I mentioned in our talk over on SIF. Going to try to reply very soon as you made a good point but I had already seen that as not enough too. I'll just say Apples and leave that at that here. 
Indeed I just feel that I've seen Gauge 3 locomotives and they look far bigger if my memory serves. I mean like you say G1/G Scale is quite large no matter how you cut it but seeing some pictures over on SIF from behind the scenes of the model era of ringo holding Thomas or the man standing over the models of Gordon, James, Percy and I think Thomas I can't help but see my Grandpa's Gold Rush Express (That was the name of the set I mentioned before was called. There are two differnt sets with that name and paint scheme but the one my grandfather gave me was a 2-6-2 with red wheels. The other is a rather shoddy looking remold of it as a 4-4-0 the one I got to replace the one I lost is called Pioneer No. 999 number maybe a NYC reference.) sitting next to them and looking like it was a background model like Marklin. Speaking of which would Marklin work on a British loading gauge? I've been wondering that for a while since I started talking to with Tinkerbell and all fitting fine I wondered could a BR 80 really have been a war time import for Sodor as he made a story of Edward hear Tinkerbell's whistle and think it was Marklin.
One last thing I see that Dolgoch kit of yours there and I wonder would a Captain Baxter kit bash be doable? I mean both are Fletcher Jennings 0-4-0s add a bit to Dolgoch and make the wheel base shorter and I think tir would come out close. Mind my asking your thoughts oh that?
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Ah TT, never really got going but it does persist-saw models of Dolgoch and Talyllyn a couple of months back (NTT?).
I've heard using a garden hose is quite good for plotting out the course of the would be line as the visual aid keeps the curve radius shape quite nicely and of course you can move it about as you continue to make your mind up.
I agree about the 'not being able to see too much of the layout from any or at least most points of view' and it's surprising how effective raised sections can be on even a modest loop/figure 8.
I'm generally trying to stick to normal Sodor themes but completely agree about the 'it's my railway' point of view, if I had a Rocket I would be fine with running it along side a Pacific. Actually SM/32 and O share the same gauge so (outside wheel tolerance on points perhaps) I can really have some fun
I've seen the odd ride along/Gauge 3 loco here and there and they are imposing but the trouble with the big scales is that you leave most RTR and kit support well behind and it's a lot more akin to civil engineering. Gauge 1 i'm half tempted by as you could get Oliver, Duck and the auto coaches for not too much and then run a stretch of the Arlesburgh line somewhere but the idea of building the twins or main line coach rakes etc is sort of prohibitive. Watching a review just now I've found out G Emily is 31 inches long which is bigger than I thought. I'm still uncertain about Bachmann's Thomas range 'scale' but think it's around 1:22. G1 being 1:32 is a noticeable step down but still a G1 Gordon would be epic!
The European loading gauge is larger than the UK's as I'm sure you already know but i'm not sure how Tink would size up without a plan. It's quite possible she could fit with some re-working or if she was a purpose import like the 2-6-0 Baldwins but there's no easy way to explain why such a scenario would play out (especially in WW2 as she's a German design). The 2-6-0s and others like La France do not share local pattern components and so with importing spare parts being expensive they would naturally have short lives outside the world of preservation.
Well G scale and UK prototypes aren't really a happy marriage. There is a Shapeways shell in OO that can be plumed on a L&Y Pug,
www.shapeways.com/product/DL4Y…
www.shapeways.com/product/TSYG…
but owing to cube law as well as the strength of the dollar against the pound it would be fairly expensive in G. You could ask the shop if they would be willing to blow up the shell and considering he is a smallish tank engine it wouldn't be the moon. If they won't though you could consider scratch building one after first finding a suitable chassis donor. Unlike most in the Bluebell roster I don't have a plan for him as he's an industrial type but Matt might if you are serious about fashioning him in either Bluebell or Muppet Movie form.
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Her name is mentioned in IoS, p251....Only joking but the IP Engineering site offers a discount when buying 4 Penhryn Railway Quarryman’s Coach Kits so I took advantage of the fact that there is a fourth in the Surprise Packet
www.ipengineering.co.uk/page51…
I basically think Clair sounds like it could of been inserted into an old RWS story and as there is an Ada it's just something of a Resident Evil 2 nod.
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Ah, i see! well i'd be interested to see the progress!
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Well the sanding sealer I ordered should arrive tomorrow. Method preference varies but my plan is to do a few repeats of priming and sanding down the main components and the glue them together before adding the blue paint. Not sure exactly how long it will take as i've never tried something like this but it is a nice easy starter project at least and i've got some slate wagons and other TR coach kits on the way
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