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Not often I ask the floor for research aid but does anyone know of any real examples for the door and surrounding exterior design on the left? It's a BR standard version of the LNER 20 Ton brake van, but Bachmann's Branchline enlargement has thrown me.ΒRelated content
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Umm yes, it's a BR 20 Ton type as mentioned in the above text. I was actually asking about the unusual door surround as i've never encountered such a variant and wish to know if anyone happens to recognise it......Seems no one does and I couldn't find this odd ball design in my books or online so I think i'm gonna flip the part around and add my own detailing for something more typical.Β
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okay, Thank You.
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I think I may well have found a real-life example of the one on the left in these two pic here of real ex-LNER 20 Ton brake vans. Or at least very close approximations of the design you see on the left.
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I think what may have thrown you slightly is the fact that you can barely see the full doors and the fact that Bachmann appears to have made the windows just a wee bit too narrow on their model.
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Ah that is the prototype alright but I was specifically inquiring about the door surround as I can't find a match for Branchline's/Bachmann's old school tooling.
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Looking at that second image though I think I can match it easily enough by simply filling in the panels. Works for me
The grey kit is supposed to be the same basis but in gauge 3 which is bigger than Bachmann's G range, but the Garden Railway Specialists who made it don't seem to be that meticulous and so their door is overly wide, sigh. Β
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Ah, right, well I fully understand now; thing is, those are two of many which even came close to that design on the model. Although, I think what we're seeing here is most likely a case of mass-production, in that they will have used the exact same tooling/molding machine from a brake van template in order to save on the cost of manufacturing; you can see it on the trucks you get in a few of Hornby's sets whereby they've used the trucks from their Thomas & Friends line as a template, hence why you see the indentations where the face would be glued on the faceless trucks.
As for the Gauge 3 brake van piece there, if it weren't for those smaller windows, it'd look like it had no door at all.
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Yeah sorry I should of explained it a little better. Between the books and the show Bachmann and Hornby's love of 'retooling' by sticking a face on actually works for me, but I still have no idea what variant Branchline based it on 
Comparing the two products I was disappointed with Bachmann's brake van size against their Troublesome Trucks, but in real life it seems the prototype is a little narrower anyway, plus the G3 kit seems to be overly wide if i've got my scale maths right. Anywho I'm quite happy with the cheaper Bach product now so will keep an eye out for other eBay sales if I can successfully convert this one to G3. The replacement wheels have unfortunately proved too wide to sneak in despite cutting into the backside of the moulding so i've begun gutting the underside, will try and show a proper update in a while.Β
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Don't worry about it, 'tis all good. But, if I had to hazard a guess, I think the likely 'retooling' of the brake van makes it look slightly more freelance than of an actual design 'cause I, too, have struggled to find those components on any of the old LNER 20 ton brake vans; so I should imagine that means that they pretty much lifted that door/wall from a different brake van for, of course, budget reasons which would explain why things look either over or under-scaled in any range.
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Aye. The brown/green one is Bachmann's G scale product (which is a blown up version of the old Banchline tooling) and the grey one is a Gauge 3 kit i've bought. Neither are perfect it seems but I'll probably do a more explanative post at the end of the month. Β
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The one on the left doesn't ring any bells whatsoever. I haven't seen a brake van like that but that isn't to say it wasn't done like that.
I can't even hazard a guess as to what the two bars are on either side.
I know of the van for sale but I won't be able to see it for a while.
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They were confusing me when I posted but I think the rectangle bars are supposed to be the cords for securing the doorway when the van is in motion,
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just that they're as chunky as the kid proof moulding i've removed from the body sides.Β
Anyway no worries if you've not come across the riveted panel pattern, just trying to decide whether to keep it as I can't find a ringer in my books or online.
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It is a hard one as they were not the most photographed things I suppose
Plus they would have gone through several overhauls that the original form might have been lost.
To be fair, brake vans were not something I took much notice of. As long as they were tagged on the end of a train that is all that matters!
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I'm not a modeller, yet, so I can't help
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Very goodΒ Β I'm not looking for modelling help though, just need to find some real photos of this oddball variant as I can't dig up anything. Basically i've got two large scale toolings on trial to see which is the better overall. Β Β
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Ah.Β Okay.Β I think the one on the left.Β It just looks at a little realistic with all of them handles and rivets.Β But I ain't no expert on what brake vans should look like, as I live in the US.Β Hope this helps
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