minustwoseventhree In reply to akaCaitlinne [2013-05-01 20:42:28 +0000 UTC]

Not really! As far as I can tell (this may not be 100% accurate), genderqueer is a kind of umbrella term, and lots of things fall under that. However someone can still identify as genderqueer, basically it just means they don't believe in or are not part of the "binary" - male or female.

Genderless, or agender, is essentially not identifying as ANY gender. So while someone that is genderqueer may be part female and part male, a genderless person feels that they do not have a gender at all.

Androgyne is basically male and female mashed up into one gender.

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ThestralWizard In reply to Kalza [2013-02-12 02:13:47 +0000 UTC]

If you feel like being a woman and likes that, your a cis girl with a masculine taste dor fashion and manners. If you don't feel or just dislike the idea of being a woman (that's my case), then you are genderqueer

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LolitaInvasion In reply to karsac28 [2012-10-24 15:26:08 +0000 UTC]

No it doesn't. Unless you wanna be recognised as both or neither genders.

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karsac28 In reply to LolitaInvasion [2012-10-24 18:02:13 +0000 UTC]

I feel like a blend of the two in certain ways, so yeah actually I think it does.

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comtedefer In reply to matthew-lane [2012-02-03 00:52:12 +0000 UTC]

You're conflating "gender" with "sex". Gender is a part of ones identity, while sex is "biological gender" as you call it.

Just sayin'.

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SaltMuffinRo-Ro In reply to comtedefer [2012-06-08 17:12:50 +0000 UTC]

[link]

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comtedefer In reply to SaltMuffinRo-Ro [2012-06-09 04:04:13 +0000 UTC]

Care to explain your arguments yourself instead of linking to other people ideas?

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SaltMuffinRo-Ro In reply to comtedefer [2012-06-10 06:21:42 +0000 UTC]

No(?) because I'm using scientific evidence not "ideas" that are easily explained in the info graph I sent. But...

Simply speaking Gender identity/Biological Gender [Or brain sex] was discovered to explain people that were born transex(ual), with the wrong sex. There is only two genders at the moment discovered.

Next part strictly speaking of people that are not born transexual(trans)...
Being masculine girl doesn't make someone not/less of a girl.
Being feminine boy doesn't make someone not/less of a boy.

Though hormones [Which is one part of sex may I add] do influence "masculine" and "feminine" traits, actions, looks. Which most people seem to confuse as "Gender".

Things like clothing, or occupations etc. are irrelevant because society enforces gender roles/restrictions/rules on people based on their genitals [which is another part of sex]. This is still not necessarily gender.

And if you're wondering there are four parts biological sex: 1. Brain sex (gender Identity/biological gender) 2. Chromosomes 3. Hormones levels (testosterone and estrogen) 4. Genitalia

There are different "genetic anomalies & people with different mental gender identities",as matthew-lane put it, that people are born with. This is what causes "gender" confusing with a small percentage of people that are not trans.

Anyways like the original person said biological gender "Androgyne, & genderless" are almost impossible/there are no evidence of that existing. Male and Female brains are the only ones discovered.

I think you're confusing gender nature created and can be proven scientifically and social ""Gender"" that society enforces.

And this is coming from someone that likes to cross dress so...

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comtedefer In reply to SaltMuffinRo-Ro [2012-06-10 19:27:40 +0000 UTC]

I was under the impression that the tumblr link was arguing against the existence of trans* people in general, which confuses me because you don't seem to hold that opinion at all. Then again I only read over it once. Sorry, it's just a general pet peeve of mine when people debate by linking resources without adding their own input. Nothing personal.

As for the whole genderqueer/androgyne issue, I am not genderqueer myself, so I am not qualified to speak about their experiences. However, my general impression is that the identity is a bit more nuanced than not fitting the stereotype of their sex.

I have to say I'm a bit confused as to how someone with the genetic anomalies/ different mental genders mentioned could still be considered cisgendered. I can accept that they wouldn't be considered completely trans due to the fact that their brains are not opposite of their body. However, if these anomalies cause someone to be confused over their gender, then it doesn't seem like they are completely cisgendered as you suggest.

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SaltMuffinRo-Ro In reply to comtedefer [2012-06-10 22:30:41 +0000 UTC]

Well I don't think so since it showed proof of someone that was a Trans woman and they did have a female brain regardless of their body. But sorry about that.

As for Genderqueer/non-binary/androgyne I sort of had a bit negative opinion on people who identify as such because some people treat it as a fashion statement or as a fad. But there are people that use the term for either masculine/feminine female/male or they are genuinely questioning there sex part of their bodies (Some people not sure if they're cis or trans). That I don't mind much...

And the last one. I presume you can say people like that are trans? I only use Trans for people that are transexual but not sure really. Then again you can argue thats more of a variation of intersex or just a medical condition not the same as being trans?

Anyways back to the original point biological gender = Brain sex which only male and female have been discovered. Thats all mostly I was debating.

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matthew-lane In reply to comtedefer [2012-02-03 02:47:24 +0000 UTC]

Nope. I'm sorry but neither one of the definitions are described by self diagnosed androgyne & genderless people is accepted by scinece. This is why i specficially stated biological genders & not mental gender identities, an made room for both within my statement... Being as i'm a smart cookie and all.

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snoogan2dope In reply to princedirk [2010-11-17 17:36:26 +0000 UTC]

You're not real. Sorry

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princedirk In reply to snoogan2dope [2010-11-17 21:39:35 +0000 UTC]

Oh I'm real. Cisgendered female lesbian. That does indeedy exist.

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snoogan2dope In reply to Sonador-de-estrellas [2010-08-17 00:05:46 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! Yeah, I have a few friends that are GQ and everyones like "What in the hell is that?!" (And it's tedious to explain, aha..) Glad you like it

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Sonador-de-estrellas In reply to snoogan2dope [2010-08-17 05:49:36 +0000 UTC]

ya, it's funny sometimes, I usually don't care enough to explain, but when I do I confuse people, which when it doesn't piss me off it makes me laugh. A few people do get it though, and I have other GQ friends.

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snoogan2dope In reply to Sonador-de-estrellas [2010-08-17 09:01:53 +0000 UTC]

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snoogan2dope In reply to hgmuffin-stuff [2010-08-13 20:15:38 +0000 UTC]

I'm trans (and I used to identify as genderqueer while I was sorting my stuff out..) and my "partner" is genderqueer. & I agree! I'll let other people be, wether I understand or not.

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snoogan2dope In reply to BaaingTree [2010-08-11 20:50:35 +0000 UTC]

Agreed, but as we saw in last nights comments... *shudder*
THose of us who are KNOW it exists, but there are still the few & the ignorant.

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BaaingTree In reply to snoogan2dope [2010-08-11 21:28:06 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I'm sorry for cluttering up your comments section with that bullcrap, by the way. At the time, I was in such a ridiculously good mood that I think I could've faced Fred Phelps himself without losing my smile, but now I'm just kinda bitchy. -_-

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snoogan2dope In reply to BaaingTree [2010-08-11 22:07:29 +0000 UTC]

Haha, it's okay. We all have our days. <3

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snoogan2dope In reply to justSICK [2010-08-11 19:57:36 +0000 UTC]

Ahahah! I might have to toy around with that idea...

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