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Published: 2018-04-27 03:13:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 488; Favourites: 7; Downloads: 1
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My ink over pencils and ink by Lou Fine. His original artwork, here www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPi… .Interesting and instructive for the pen techniques and composition, but I think the spotting is weak. Might play with that.
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Are you trying to go exactly by the original, or are you wanting to add your own flare to it?
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I'm trying to pick up on the gist of the techniques. So, I'm not doing it line for line, though I am attempting to replicate the same patterns. I am also "exploring" what I see as searching. Because it seems to me that Fine frequently loses the feel for how to efficiently and elegantly render a form by "feel", at which point he resorts to visual mode and handles them expediently, but in a way that strikes me as "disconnected" from the form. And yet he then manages to integrate that dissonant element with the composition by compensating and complementing it with elements elsewhere. So, he goes from hatch tone patterns the lines in which follow contours to hatch tone patterns that, while they relate to form generally in terms of value, the lines in them remain unrelated to the contours. This, I think, is a hallmark of the classic pen approach. In any event, it's clever. Foxy fellow, Fine. If I didn't know better I'd say he was schooled by a mouse. XD
So, it's about both the rendering techniques in general and some parts of the approach and process. As for flair, if you mean "messy," well, that comes part-in-parcel, unintentionally, with everything I do. LOL
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lol at the time, they probably didn't know the different techniques and such. He could've been learning as he went. I did notice one thing, and it isn't your fault by any means, but remember when we were talking about "fixing" pencillers mistakes and such? Hercules is misporpotioned...
Lol by flare, I meant your style. Or if you were just trying to mimic his.
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Well, these guys worked fast. It's comics. So there are always mistakes and distortions. Sometimes the latter is intentional for effect, or simply to fit the space provided. Hercules - the little guy in front throwing the punch - has some foreshortening going on in one calf. It doesn't look as if it were handled very well. And the other calf is way long. Is that what you mean? Yeah. He has some amazingly bad drawings. They all do. It comes with drawing from imagination and only rigorous practice and self-check methods can overcome it. Even then, skills can backslide to earlier levels when people are tired and stressed. When that happened to Frazetta he drew big heads. Morrow couldn't draw feet when he was stressed out. Buscema the same. Joe Kubert is the only one I know who never showed this phenom. If he did, I didn't catch him at it.
As far as the "searching", you are right, in a way. Today we have the benefit of standard rendering techniques for various styles. In Fines day they were laying the foundation of those styles. They did it based on decorative outline style (brush) and classic tonal pen rendering. Line and spot and the various open line and rendering styles we know and love today (i.e. cutting edge - gak!) came from that. Fine, himself, as others, was more attuned to values than to specific methods of producing them. Since then the emphasis in the mainstream shifted to the application technique. The colorists balances the values.
So, no, not mimic - more like understand and anticipate. I want his mind-set, not his pen stroke. And no style on my part that I would call style, just doing what he does in a way that is natural for me. Is that double-talk? LOL. It's like, I'm doing the same dance steps that he's doing, but I'm not trying to move my body exactly as he moves his. It's not intended as a strict copy of a Master work.
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No, I noticed his torso was too long. Even stretched out in a punch it wouldn't be that long. Unless he just has a long torso and some people do. Oooh I didn't know that. Makes sense. When I get too stressed out my arm starts to ache really bad. I was told that stress attacks the weakest part of your body and right now, that happens to be my arm.
I agree with you there! I was reading a newer comic, and I noticed that the artists (pencillers and inkers) relied way too much on the colorists. Remember when we were talking about lights and darks and contrast? In the newer ones they don't have that. The inks are just muddled together and you can't tell what's going on without really studying it. The old styles need to come back. You could tell what was going on without having to study the page.
Ah, gotcha. You're just trying to figure him out and why he did what he did.
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Yes. The black white design tends to be not only abstract but meaningless, serving no good purpose. The fourth tenet of Renaissance painting is Chiaroscuro - light/dark - that in comics we would apply to the black design. In the past it would be the inker's job to decide it. Today there is no real black design, and the colorist has to improvise one by modulating tints and tones. it makes for ugly, indecipherable images. This crept into comics some time ago when the art was first imported from South America to save on costs. It was very bad, but the computer coloring and digital makeover made it passable. It took hold and next thing you know, roles changed. Pencilers started telling inkers how to ink them, and colorists became the goto guys who cleaned up the mess they made; you could say they put the lipstick on the pig.
Yeah. I think the quality is to be found in graphic novels where the artist is well rounded and either does it all himself, or directs assistants. Comics used to be the bottom of the barrel. They've graduated to the middle of the road, which is so much worse.
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Yikes. We need to get away from that.
I like it when comics were a team effort. Everyone had a say in something. Now it just seems to be left up to the penciller or colorist.
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Well there is a third path, which is do it all yourself. Joe Kubert did. Strip artists still do. And that is still the way in Japan with the Manga-ka.
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I've done that. And realized that I am just bad at some things. I'm taking a break from it and focusing on one path at a time.
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I'm not suggesting one starts there; I'm saying one trains at writing, drawing, inking and coloring to achieve it as a goal.
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