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well in my spare time I created this. the Seal of the USSA. Though not that likely that this would happen. since the american Peoples are clearly anti-Socialist and Anti-communist.Related content
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Unfortunately, many of them aren't anti-socialist and anti-communists now these days. Look who they voted for.
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All hail Comrade Capone!
(there was a book in the late 90s called "Back in the USSA", about the Red Revolution happening in the USA instead of Tsarist Russia. A lot of things happen, including Al Capone mirroring Iosef Djughasvili's rise to power)
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Must have been a shitty book then.
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though it would be a dream come true the possibilies now arent high.
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And when it does, you'll forsake it like rats leaving a sinking ship.
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Not likely..if its Trotskyist I still dont forsake it I'll just dislike it alot. I'm thinking that you think Communism is a "Dictatorship" correct?
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Sorry to let you down, but the only way communism could work is if people weren't running it. No matter what, there will always be a ruling class. You can't escape that fact and neither can I.
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The old classic "Communism cant work" thing. In Lenin's Soviet union there was no ruling class. The Soviets, worker counciles, helped the factories and the Vangaurd party, The Bolshevik party, oversaw the development of this Socialist state. What Karl Marx never prediected is Revolution is 3rd world countries such as Russia,China,Vietnam,etc. The problem with 3rd world Revolutions and 1st world Revoultions is the development in both industry and economy. The USSR had to be developed to help other Revolutions or else it would crumble if the Revolution didnt work. In 1st world Revolutions the development of the industry/economy is already done and the only thing to do is to create worker counciles and over-throw the boguise. also in Communism there is no state, no goverment thus Communes, Communites, work together for common goals to help each other and not selfish gains. Communism is a stateless classless society and what I ,patially, refered to is Socialism. In the 20th century we saw Socialism at many parts. There Was Revisionism in the USSR from 1956 untill it ultimatelt fell becuase of Revisionism in 1991. Here is some works on it [link]
And if your going to get into Stalin well I'll just let you read these.
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Hmmmm....no ruling class, but then you have the BOLSHEVIK PARTY who were "IN CHARGE OF CREATING THE SOCIALIST STATE". Sounds like a ruling party, if I'm not mistaken. I see a few holes in this false vision already, eh?
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Ruling party oh mai its a ruling class for it has ruling in it. Hur dur hur dur.
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Mock my intelligence, will you? Fine, it only goes to show your own ignorance, bigotry and intolerance.
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Which is why you formed an opinon off of nothing rather than your own statement which you concluded a vanguard party ("Ruling party") would be such as a ruling class.
Which not only is not wise considering the 'party' would be composed of different classes (in the Bolshevik's ase mostly that of the peasantry, workers and some petit-bourgoise elements) but to classify it as synomus with a ruling class is just damning of the class theory.
And How am I a bigot?
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Human nature dicatates that if you put the lowest classes in charge of the 'vanguard party', they'll use their newfound authority to make life a living hell for those they deem a 'threat to the revolution'. And it's not like they'll want to give up the power after a few years, all they have to do is claim that the 'revolution still needs a leader' and they'll be in power indefinitely.
And mocking my intelligence with comments like 'hurr durr durr' sort of make YOU out to be overly judgemental.
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Right, so show me the progression of human nature as it developed through-out the course of history.
Not only this why don't you provide evidence that this happened within that time frame.
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Hmmm, let's see.....
1918-1919: Bolsheviks take over Russia and begin eliminating 'reactionaries', businessowners, politicians, and priests, starting with the Tsar and his family.
1925-1937: "Great Purges", in which ANYONE deemed a 'threat to the revolution' was killed or sent to the Gulags in Siberia. Most of the remaining 'capitalist' politicians and businessmen are eliminated because of Stalin's claim that although they are no longer in charge, they still owe a great 'blood debt' to the working classes.
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So, you support pedestary in the churches, support the churches repression of other religions (Catholic, Protestant, muslim, etc) and wanted them to have a still firm grasp within the state?
Jesus christ you don't even know half of the shit your talking about.
The Great Purges was a reaction to the bonapartist (one who seeks to overthrow the goverment and create their own faction) Tukhachevsky, only ths was a hard decision for he was pratically a military genious.
It was either save millions of lives, and risk a counter-revolution or eliminate the threat but having to work with military standards with some new people. This eventually led to the repression of his idea, the open front. It was re-introduced in 43 by Konstantine Rokossovsky.
But there's also the fact Stalin sent Ponomarenko Pateleimon Kondratievich to release some prisons from GULAGS (which doesn't necessarily mean labour camp. Gualgs were also regular prisons and the time spent in gulags was about 3-4 months, hence why many were coming in and going out) that were falsely accused.
But he did rightly exporitate the kulaks, the rich land owners that held and burnt their own land in order to cut connections between agriculture and cities. But other peasantry did this as well, since they ate 95% of their crops after the revolution.
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I'm not saying that the Tsar was the best leader. And I definitely don't support a corrupted church. But there WERE better ways to take control then to just shoot everyone. "Having to work with military standards"? Double-speak for a military state. And what about the HOLODOMOR? If the Communists are so great, what the HELL did they do that for?!?
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And I believe this picture says more to damn those labor camps then I ever could.
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Holodomor was a double side effect. If you knew anything about agriculture to begin with than you wouldn't be showing nazi camp photos nor accusing the goverment of it.
"Holodomor" can stated as a human cause and a natural cause. In the time of the early 1930s there was massive drought along the Cascasus and the Euro-SSR area.
Human directed for the peasantry wouldn't give food supplies to the people, so they were forced to give food to them. Unless, of course, you support famine in cities your precious little liberal ideals.
And no; there wasn't. Hell there weren't many shootings to begin with. Pedestary was disclaimed by attacking the sex trades in Central Asia, thus attacking the church. By the end of the 30s? The church was in little position to hold an opposition.
Little burning of churches were made, but than if they were than it can be explained as tension between the people and the church. The Tsar, wel you know, there was a civil war going on and would 'replant another czar' from the family.
It was necessary to end the line once for all so the white guards would lose morality, but then the white guards made famine possible in ukrne by making sure any food was taken.
And if you show the 'frog child' know that this was from an Austrian newspaper during the first world war.
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'Precious little liberal ideals'? Far from it. And I don't know what this 'frog child' is, but I DO know that that photo I showed was actually from a collective farm in the Ukraine. Notice that the Soviet government targeted Jewish or other religious communities SPECIFICALLY to request the massive grain seizures. The Soviet government was already backsliding at the time, and they supposedly needed the huge quotas of wheat to sell to other nations. And, actually, there was PLENTY of food in the cities, so I guess the Soviets just decided to save the cities and fuck everyone else. And the White Guards were gone by the time of the Holodomor, so I don't see how that has ANY bearing.
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Er..no it wasn't. Never were there collective farms that had pile of bodies, and most of the statements you say come from nazis or pulling it out of your ass.
So tldr; you're pulling most of this shit out your ass and have never once looked at Soviet history from the academica or the centus's of food production.
All you do is fap to your glorious Rommel for being such a great anti-fascist, by, being a fascist. Love how that works out.
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That only proves my point; Lenin himself took over and hypocritically established his own ruling class. And China? Mao Tse-tung did much the same. And don't bring up Cuba either; like the other marxist republics, there was still a ruling class, and they lived in nations of hypocrisy which practically celebrated the bourgeise.
I'd like to ask you something, and I want a straight answer: Do you have a job, and how much money do you make? If so, do you have a high standard of living?
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yes i do have a job (yes i know you were talking to the other guy, but i hate the FUCK out of you so i will but in) i work from 8Am to 7Pm and make $12.50 an hour cleaning up Dog, cat, and lizard shit. and i live in a small house in Oregon
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And you apparently have no English or writing skills.
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you don't need to speak english to work manual labor
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What does "work manual labor" mean?
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And I really don't care.
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Let me get this straight; you became a communist for the simple reason that you hate clean up animal shit for a living?
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no i hate the fact that i am lucky because i have a job cleaning up animal shit. its pretty bad when you are praised for cleaning up shit.
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At the stage you're in, you're going to be hard-pressed to find a better job. That' why there's a little something called college.
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im only 16 im still in high school. i PLAN to take college when i finish
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Well then it's way too early to be getting into this whole "workers of the world unite" thing before you did any real work, not just odd jobs.
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i provide for my ENTIRE family
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Sounds like yet another totally false sob story.
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well its not. my mom is busy caring for my baby sister. my dad is a Chef, but he works for a school so he hardly makes any money. we provide for my baby sister and my mother. and my grandparents who do not own a house.
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For me to be convinced, answer me this question; What kind of slimy shithole village do you live in that would give as bad a life as you have right now?
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That's a state, not a town/city. And you said you lived in a small house in Oregon. Your credibility is dropping by the minute.
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"*LIVED* in a small house in oregon. moved in 04 lived here since then"
Be that as it may, you're not getting an easy ride.
I realise you're not going to tell me what the real name of your town is, because that would cause sex offenders to show up on your doorstep. Make a pseudonym for the town and describe it in detail for me.
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live outside of Rapid City, south dakota. i realy dont need to worry about stuff like that im REAL far out of town. . . .
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Are you or your parents immigrants?
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no. my Great Grandparents were, they moved here from Germany for a better life
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Why did they come here?
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