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A fine selection of Authority Figures and OF COURSE the Lead Vampire Hunter is played by the late, great Peter Cushing (as is Right & Proper); if it weren't for my loyalties trending that way in any case, that alone would sell me on siding with Team Hunter!
Out of curiosity, may I please ask whom you cast as '70s Joe Bloggs? (to my eye he looks a little like Mr Roger Livesey or Mr Terry-Thomas but one cannot recognise him).
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Joe Bloggs here is based loosely on actor David Niven. I gave him greyer hair than Niven had at the time to bridge the gap between him and the Jon Pertwee Doctor (who he's a stand in for).
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Would you forgive me if I found it obscurely hilarious that all the actors cast as "Joe Bloggs" to date have been notably posh sorts? (which makes a delightful contrast such a down-to-earth name).
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So we finally meet the elusive Lugenbaron Vardonberg.....
Quick someone rip his heart out to collect the fourth talisman as long you don't use the Silas Charter to shred him like paper....
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How DARE you threaten dear old Peter Cushing with such video game cruelty!
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I was really referencing the Web Series revolving around some certain Lesbian Vampire.....
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I've heard of it, but never watched it - "The vampire was the Good Guy all along" is not my favourite tack when it comes to classic Vampire literature, though Countess Karnstein seems a somewhat more credible subject for that treatment than Count Dracula.
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Of course Dracula already has enough sympathetic portrayals in media compared to Carmilla who is sadly lacking and the Web Series is the only thing we have at the moment.
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In all fairness the relative obscurity of CARMILLA adds something to the charm of that novella; if any work in fiction is over-exposed, 'tis DRACULA!
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Of course Dracula has not only been over-exposed but he's also the very image of the vampire that has been deeply embedded into popular culture that overshadows the rest.
Then again as for Carmilla, her original source material was clearly written by a homophobe that saw homosexuality as predatory and used Carmilla as a literary device for that as opposed to Karl Heinrich Ulrich's Manor which written by a actual Gay Rights Activist who portrayed homosexuality positively.
The reason why Carmilla is much more credible subject is because she's pretty much the quintessential lesbian vampire and her original source material is unfortunately actually poor for queer representation hence it's a step in the right direction to reclaim her a brooding (gay) anti-hero and of course your friendly neighborhood roomate pretty much.
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I still think that it's perfectly fair to write Homosexual villains, PROVIDED that their villainy is not rooted in their sexual orientation - personally I feel that Carmilla becomes a more interesting villain if her identification as a such stems from her profound dishonesty, obvious manipulation and clear willingness to achieve functional immortality by robbing girls & young women of their youth and their lives rather than her fairly self-evident appetite for her own gender.
For my money the pivot on which the Real Horror in CARMILLA turns is the point where Miss Laura realises that the friend who has won so great a share of her heart might well have been cold bloodily lying to her from the start (quite possibly lying to Miss Laura AND to herself, if the Countess Karnstein's feelings are genuine - "perhaps this time will be different, perhaps this time we shall die together indeed").
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I still think that it's perfectly fair to write Homosexual villains
Urm...Not really because that's where the main problem lies is that the reason why Carmilla was a villain in her original source was because the writer was a homophobe in the first place hence why it's pretty poor for queer representation compared to Karl Heinrich Ulrichs Manor.
Although if you're using the original story as a backstory, at least you have to acknowledge that it was problematic either by having Carmilla go through a redemption arc or simply retell the story.
we shall die together indeedI think what Carmilla actually meant by that is pretty much "I'll turn you into a vampire so we can live together forever" delivered in a poetic gothic fashion in the same way as "Children of the Night what sweet music they make" because I highly suspect that all Carmilla wanted to do is turn her girlfriend(s) into Vampires so she can have a companion accompanying in her long immortal existence pretty much but she always fails but always keeps trying hence resulting a trail of dead bodies in her wake with others screaming "Monster!" pretty much.
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Although if you're using the original story as a backstory, at least you have to acknowledge that it was problematic either by having Carmilla go through a redemption arc or simply retell the story.
That is one possibility, though I do not accept that the only way to use Carmilla is to make HER the Hero; even your interpretation of "We shall die together indeed" (that the Countess Karnstein wants to make her lovers but keeps failing, kills who knows how many of them in the process AND KEEPS TRYING) doesn't exactly strike me as sympathetic.
Pitiable, yes, but she's still a serial killer in practice although not in motivation and she will live FOREVER unless she is stopped; I'd argue that this idea is pretty d----- horrifying in its own right (and more than a little monstrous to boot).
I definitely agree with the idea that, as a Villain, Carmilla does deserve better than to be reduced to "Lesbian Vampire, therefore EVIL" and you may sit assured of that.
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I really wish you stop calling her a serial killer because that's not what she is, but more like she's misguided and blinded by her romantic passions resulting tragedy after tragedy that she's currently in a depressed state if you can notice especially she clearly outright says "It doesn't have to be" panel 15 in 1.
Also it's highly possible that she doesn't always kill her girlfriends either but sometimes flees due to reasons.
But still condemning her as a serial killer when deaths on her part are more than likely accidental is still too far of a stretch when you compare to someone like Ruvthen in the otherhand.....
and she will live FOREVER unless she is stoppedAnd the only way to "stop" her without resorting to "Bury your Gays" is that she needs serious professional help and therapy to maintain and control her vampirism or at least know about her vampiric condition a little more and probably learning how healthy relationships work (despite being stuck in a body of a 18 year old) or basically learning how to manage her romantic passions.
I'm sorry but you're only sounding like those who see her as a monster and want her dead (like Vordenberg which I could entirely picture him saying the same things as you're saying) because of it as exactly what I'm talking about.
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Firstly, I would like to note that my opinions are based only on the literary CARMILLA, rather than the Apex Society incarnation (against whom I withhold Judgement, because she is still part of an ongoing story); secondly I would like to note that the character, as a multiple murderer who operates in a variety of locations over a period of years (in this case more than a century), clearly meets the criteria for a Serial Killer according to the experts.
No matter how sympathetic her motivations - and the literary CARMILLA is by no means as clearly sympathetic as the one presented in APEX SOCIETY - she has been robbing girls of their lives at regular intervals; we know that she is completely aware of this, to the point of constructing her own Justification for these murders (if one remembers correctly this amounts to "I have to do this because it's in my nature"), and we also know that the case of Miss Laura - where the Vampire Karnstein appears to deliberately hold back from the final plunge - is the exception and not the rule.
I put it to you that there is ample evidence for the literary Carmilla being not an accidental, but a very deliberate murderer who might even meet the criteria for an organised serial killer - given her employment of a clearly practiced method and generally low key style.
I would also argue that the literary Carmilla is entirely in control of her Vampiric powers; how else could she maintain her cover as a highborn maiden for extended periods and continuously escape the scrutiny of a Vampire Hunter who seems as well-informed about his quarry as Baron Vordenburg? (A vampire hunter who, more to the point, has a very powerful reason to desire her silence for the sake of his Ancestor's reputation if nothing else).
Her appeals to "nature" as justification for her killings and apparent lack of remorse (and only minor-key regret) strongly suggest that she does not struggle with her Vampiric nature (or that if she did that struggle ended long ago with her acceptance of the night-stalking lifestyle).
As noted, I withhold my Judgement of the APEX SOCIETY Carmilla (as her story is not yet told), but so far as the literary CARMILLA is concerned the opinion given above is the one I intend to stick with; that Countess Karnstein is by no means a straightforward villain, but that she is STILL as much a Serial Killer as Aileen Wuornos (though one who operates based on a highly distinct pathology).
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Firstly, I would like to note that my opinions are based only on the literary CARMILLAAnd this is where your main problem lies while completely missing the point that Carmilla is not real but a literary device since if you want a actual critique, then don't look at the character herself but rather the Author who wrote her. Since the point is seeing her as a straight up villain is only subscribing to the Author's homophobia no matter how much pseudo-intellectual mental gymnastics you try to handweave her into like comparing her to a real life serial killer and such which is really distasteful in my opinion especially talking about two different contexts here.
Besides even in the original novel there's some evidence that you may have overlooked that Carmilla shows remorse or regrets of her actions that she actually wanted to love those girls (in contrast to Ruvthen who manipulates them before outright killing them) but she was still used as a literary drive for the author to present homosexuality or lesbianism as predatory that had to be destroyed in the end to restore patriarchal normalcy pretty much. Or basically Carmilla was originally a written polemic against homosexuality or lesbianism in contrast to Manor however.
Otherwise I'm done arguing with you about this.
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