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Published: 2016-02-20 08:04:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 4898; Favourites: 40; Downloads: 1
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Nope, she's not an OC!... well, not exactly...This is Groyna, and she was originally conceived for a cancelled Invader Zim episode called 'When Pants Ruled!" Here is a link to the Invader Zim Wiki entry concerning the episode: zim.wikia.com/wiki/When_Pants_… !
We don't know anything about Groyna, other than she's a "tough, jock girl," who, after rescuing Dib from a mind-controlled, alien-pants wearing mob, teams up with him in resistance, but eventually-- tragically-- succumbes to this latest, freaky fashion trend... oh, and also evil plan of Zim's
Now, I tell you... I was SHOCKED
I did a search on DA and found LITERALLY ONE CONCEPT DRAWING OF HER!!!!! ONE!!!! I mean SERIOUSLY!! Given fans'-- not just IZ fans, but fans of anything in general, and especially overly enthused shippers... given their tendency to take the slightest thing and run to all hell with it, I am seriously stunned that no one has ever taken this concept and tried to develop it like I've seen with the other cancelled episodes. And as for Groyna-- PEOPLE... SHE TEAMS... UP... WITH... DIB!!! SHE RESCUES HIM!! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! I'm not saying there needs to be a DibxGroyna shipping fandom that grows out of this, but C'MON, IT'S PRETTY FREAKING NEAT!! Considering it sounds like she's the only characters on the show besides Agent Darkbootie to EVER show Dib any concern or believe him about anything involving Zim and his alien-ness (and NO, Tak does NOT count) THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL!! HOW IS IT THAT NO ONE... NO ONE WAS EVER CURIOUS ABOUT THIS CHARACTER!? EVEN JUST A LITTLE BIT!? I JUST... i MEAN... AM I WRONG HERE!? AHHHHHH!!!!!!! *HEAD EXPLODES*
*Ahem* So anyhoo... heh... heh heh... Woah, it's hard to type without a head... Um, anyhoo, given that the comic coming out next month sounds suspiciously like the plot of this cancelled episode-- or even if it isn't-- I thought it would be fun to take a crack at doing a design for Groyna ^^ even though I actually came up with this quite awhile ago when I learned about the episode. From her name and very vague description, I pictured her looking like a bigger, stockier female version of Torque
And sorry, despite my rant up there, I don't have anything other than this little design of her
Update: According to Megan Lawton's DA, the next issue of IZ IS, in fact, based on the lost episode, "When Pants Ruled!"
Update: April 2016-- Well, the comic is out, and indeed we DID get to finally meet Groyna ^^ And now I get to see how WRONG my design for her was
I liked this issue, although I'm a little disappointed that Dib didn't act a little more heroic when Groyna was being attacked
Groyna concept and Invader Zim created by Jhonen Vasquez and Eric Truehart
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Comments: 45
Erica-Sakura [2016-03-26 16:28:23 +0000 UTC]
I recently got the comic based on this episode. It was pretty good; definitely one of my favorites!
And we did finally get to see Groyna. (Unfortunately, she didn't exactly look like this, other than the general body shape.)
But this is pretty good!
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Spectra22 In reply to Erica-Sakura [2016-04-05 06:12:52 +0000 UTC]
Same here, I'm glad we got to see her finally ^^ I got her face, hair, and skin totally wrong, but I was surprisingly accurate on her outfit XD I even almost got the number on her shirt right! And my Groyna is a little stockier, though they sort of have the same build.
I liked the comic, though I felt Dib could have been a little more heroic when Groyna was being attacked. Plus I know he's anti-social and wary to trust people and all, but I thought he should have taken up her suggestion of teaming up. But she was a little rude to him (even started up the 'big head' stuff again ) so I get why he'd be reluctant. Overall though, it was good, and I was SO glad that Dib got the last laugh in the end for once
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Erica-Sakura In reply to Spectra22 [2016-04-05 21:45:30 +0000 UTC]
Yes! I LOVE when Dib gets a (much deserved) happy ending!
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carmillad [2016-02-24 06:45:32 +0000 UTC]
Nice to see there were more upcoming Dib allies on the cancelled episodes ^_^. Yup, she sounds like a female Torque, with deep voice and all, but she supported Dib! You did a wonderful job with her design
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Spectra22 In reply to carmillad [2016-02-24 17:28:10 +0000 UTC]
Aw, thank you ^^ I definitely didn't want her design to be like the hundred-thousand other Mary Sue OCs out there, so I went for something totally different from that
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IcyBirdPenguin [2016-02-22 21:58:27 +0000 UTC]
This looks awesome! I swear I think you should work with Jhonen on the Invader Zim comic series. x3
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Spectra22 In reply to IcyBirdPenguin [2016-02-24 17:30:48 +0000 UTC]
Aw, thanks ^^ That would be a dream come true, wouldn't it?
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Fae-CaptainofDreams [2016-02-22 05:30:10 +0000 UTC]
HAHAHAHA i understand the shock and frustration, as you know i bred OC Cognii and two others out of concept art of miscellaneous Vortians!
It's amazing, i never even heard of this character though!!
I'm ashamed!!!
Hahahah!
But this is really great, i love hew stalky build!
The furrowed brow and pigtails work perfectly, and it helps that your art looks like it's straight from the show
And...
OH MY GOD, SOMEONE HELPED DIB?!?!?!
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JoeMerl [2016-02-21 18:42:31 +0000 UTC]
"I'm not saying there needs to be a DibxGroyna shipping fandom that grows out of this and as a crack-shipper, JoeMerl needs to go and start it."
Fixed it for you. (I'd honestly go do this write now, but if they're making that episode into a comic I'd rather wait and read it so that I can get a feel for what personality they give her.)
Thanks for bringing this little-known character to our attention! Though are we sure that she was (going to be) real? I seem to remember there being contradictory versions of what was supposed to happen in some of those unmade episodes.
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Spectra22 In reply to JoeMerl [2016-02-22 01:40:44 +0000 UTC]
Haha Thanks! I honestly would love to see something like that
I can't say for 100% certain that Groyna would have survived the re-writes for the script had the episode actually been made, or what her characteristics would have been. All I have to go by is what I've read on the IZ Wiki, but I'm just surprised that she slipped so easily into obscurity, given how fans love to obsess over the tiniest details of their favorite shows, especially the mysterious "unmade episodes..." (insert spooky music here) and I'm especially surprised she never caught the attention of the Dib fans. As you know Dib doesn't exactly get much love on the show, so when it's rumored a new character may come along that might supposedly show him a little support, it's a pretty rare and wonderful thing, something we'd LOVE to see happen for once (at least that's how I feel as a fan). A character like that is one I'd definitely root for and be curious about, so it was amazing to me that she's nowhere to be found in the IZ fandom.
As for the comic, I don't know if it will follow the plot of the unmade episode-- all I heard was something about it involving pants So sorry if I was wrong about that, but it would be cool if they did that for at least one of the scraped episode concepts. But yeah, if Groyna miraculously DID appear in it, I'd love to see a crack shipping of the two
(though she probably would look nothing like my design XD)
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JoeMerl In reply to Spectra22 [2016-03-02 21:03:55 +0000 UTC]
It's apparently confirmed that it will be based on the "Pants!" episode, so let's see if Groyna still makes it in (and if something happens so that any chances of her and Dib getting along get screwed over).
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ZDarkZetaStar [2016-02-20 21:13:21 +0000 UTC]
Oh trust me, I've known about this episode for a looooong time. I was a bit iffy about it though. The plot for it seemed weak to me and it just didn't feel right. I heard they cancelled it because it was a lot like the Jimmy Neutron episode "When Pants Attack".
I've noticed that a handful of the episodes that came after the cancellation were pretty off (like Mortos der Soulstealer off). I guess in a way... the show's cancellation was a good thing. The comics gave it a strong comeback and they still feel like IZ.
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Spectra22 In reply to ZDarkZetaStar [2016-02-22 01:54:07 +0000 UTC]
True, the episode didn't sound like the greatest, and I heard the same thing about it, but I was still curious about Groyna's character and what she could have been like had it been made. And it was just surprising to me as a Dib fan, one who would have LOVED to see him get some rare support from SOMEONE on the show for once, by someone his own age and who goes to his skool, that someone, somewhere wasn't also curious about her, at LEAST as a concept.
I make it sound like a bigger deal than it is, of course But it still surprised me a lot, given how fans will latch onto the tiniest thing like that. I mean, Dib's eyes turn blue in a few panels of the comic and everyone loses it, but the mention of a girl in one of the unmade episodes that would have been actually NICE to out little paranormal muffin, and no one EVER mentions her or draws her or anything? How come no one's on top of that!? Mind boggling stuff, man.
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PurpleBlueStain In reply to ZDarkZetaStar [2016-02-21 14:22:16 +0000 UTC]
Indeed. But Taster of Pork was the worst IMO.
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Spectra22 In reply to PurpleBlueStain [2016-02-22 01:56:05 +0000 UTC]
Agreed. That episode is probably one of the best animated and it's stylistically beautiful IMO, but it's basically just Dib torture porn.
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PurpleBlueStain In reply to Spectra22 [2016-02-22 16:00:59 +0000 UTC]
My thoughts exactly. More than this, there was a Gaz fangirl on Youtube who was bashing Dib in the comment section of the episode and attacking his fans.
Also, I need... a little advice. Can you help me please
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Spectra22 In reply to PurpleBlueStain [2016-02-24 17:22:49 +0000 UTC]
Sure, what can I do ya for?
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PurpleBlueStain In reply to Spectra22 [2016-02-25 05:02:28 +0000 UTC]
I... Want to post my IZ-sona(who I couldn't resist shipping with Dib) but I'm a bit insecure about it, I don't know how people will accept it.
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Spectra22 In reply to PurpleBlueStain [2016-02-26 00:44:39 +0000 UTC]
I completely understand that irresistible urge I know if I ever had any OCs I wouldn't be able to resist doing a Dib ship with them. But unfortunately I've never tried this myself, so I'm sorry that my advice just comes from my own opinions and not experience, but I'll give it a go.
I say go for it! I won't lie-- it's true that a lot of people are annoyed by OCs, especially if they're paired with one of the main characters, and will dismiss them as 'just another Mary-Sue.' But firstly, these types of people who gripe about other peoples' creations usually don't have much to show in their own creative areas, and secondly, haters gonna hate, and sometimes people are just jerks for no good reason. I have never understood the need to ruin someone's fun and shatter their confidence by criticising their characters. There's nothing wring with constructive criticism, but I doubt that's the goal of someone who leaves a comment like 'UR OC SUX U SHUD DIE.' And believe me, I'm not immune to this sort of asshole. I've gotten thousands of lovely, supportive comments over the years on my art, but I still can remember the handful of bad/negative comments I've gotten, and they still bother me. There's no denying they sting, no matter how you try to rationalize them, and it's something I need to learn to handle better myself. But I do try to remember all the kind, positive people out there who enjoy what I do, and it makes that risk of putting myself out there worth it and makes ignoring the jerks so much easier
Of course all this is assuming people won't react well to your OC, but this might not be the case at all ^^ They might love what you come up with! All I would say is try to make them as interesting as possible, but also real and relatable. One of the reasons people don't like Mary-Sues is they're too awesome and too perfect, or they have overly complicated histories and too many quirks, or an overly elaborate design that just makes the creator look like they're desperately trying to make them stand out. I mean, yeah it's IZ, so characters are allowed to be cartoony and over the top, but I think there needs to be a balance there. And give them flaws. They make a character so much more interesting, and also relatable. I'll give you an example: I've never liked Tak. I thought she was WAY too Mary-Sueish, and I just couldn't stand everyone always drooling over her and saying what a great character she was. But then my friend Fox gave her this amazing back story, showing what hardships she went through, explaining why she was the way she was, and showing that all that perfection was really hiding a deep ocean of pain and insecurity. She made Tak seem sympathetic and real, and if Fox's head-canon was real on the show, Tak might honestly have been one of my favorite characters
Fox has a TON of OCs, all of them interesting and relatable in some way, and actually if you wanted to ask her about anything, she's incredibly nice and sweet, and I'm sure she'd give you some pointers in her area of expertise ^-^
I know it's hard to have that confidence sometimes, but I also know that a lot of times we build up things in our heads WAY too much and things don't turn out nearly as bad as we think, so I think if you're having fun developing this IZ-sona and are happy with it, then damnit girl, put it out there! I can't promise there won't be that one asshat, but I also know there are a ton of awesome, supportive people around here who will have your back, and I'll definitely be behind you 100%
I hope this helped ^^ If there's anything else, just let me know!
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PurpleBlueStain In reply to Spectra22 [2016-03-02 20:45:51 +0000 UTC]
Too late, Fox has already found your comment
Thank you so much I was just really insecure about it. Honestly, I didn't plan on making my IZ-sona anything special -- just a plain human without any special powers. And about Tak... I must admit she's pretty good design-wise but she DOES look too unique from other Irkens and seems too bitchy in the first half(in her human form she looks and acts like a typical cartoonish spoiled brat).
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Fae-CaptainofDreams In reply to Spectra22 [2016-02-27 23:55:33 +0000 UTC]
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww DUUUUUUUUUUDE
I needed that today, HNN!!!
I'd love to help somebodeh ;A;
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leesydreamy In reply to PurpleBlueStain [2016-02-21 18:12:07 +0000 UTC]
Agreed. I hated that episode. I still wish some of these eps. were made though (except Invader Ponchy). I'd give to see Dib have a friend.
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PurpleBlueStain In reply to leesydreamy [2016-02-22 16:04:17 +0000 UTC]
I'd love to see It Feeds On Noodles. A vampire Zim and a Van Helsing-like Dib would've made a perfect Halloween episode.
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ZDarkZetaStar In reply to PurpleBlueStain [2016-02-22 21:23:14 +0000 UTC]
I've been waiting for that one for like- FOREVER! I was hoping they would've read that one at one of the Invadercons
Now I'm hoping they at least turn it into a comic. I hope they don't forget about Top of the Line either.
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PurpleBlueStain In reply to ZDarkZetaStar [2016-02-23 10:57:10 +0000 UTC]
Yesss, the mighty Count Zimula of the Noodle Vampires! I'd like to see this one as one of the comic issues too
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TheCareBearGirl [2016-02-20 18:51:02 +0000 UTC]
She saves Dib... and teams up with him?..
YES!!!! FINALLY!! Now, I must do a happy dance. I mean, this kid looks friggin' awesome, by the way! I imagine she would be voiced by the girl who does Lee on Ed, Edd n Eddy.
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WerewolfUlrich [2016-02-20 17:29:47 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah, I remember Eric Trueheart talking about her at Invadercon III. Didn't imagine her looking like Torque though.
At first I didn't like the idea because of...well, all those horrible OCs out there. I thought she would look like a generic one of those. lol Hey, at least with this design she has an excuse to be super strong. If you know what I mean.
I guess the ship fan art of her and Dib would be hilarious today if the episode was ever made.
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Spectra22 In reply to WerewolfUlrich [2016-02-24 17:21:48 +0000 UTC]
I remember him blogging something like that once. I can't remember what he said specifically, only that he was disappointed this ep. was never made and we never got to see Groyna. Funny thing is, I just learned that the next issue of the comic IS going to be based on the cancelled episode, so we might get to see her for real now! (and I can only assume that "ship fanart" will appear pretty quickly if that's the case ) I only hope I even got close to what she'd look like
And I TOTALLY hear you on the OC thing, which is why I tried to make her look unique and as atypical of a Mary-Sue as possible.
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WerewolfUlrich In reply to Spectra22 [2016-02-24 18:48:07 +0000 UTC]
How exciting. Jhonen said the comic was all going to be new ideas but tsk tsk, he didn't keep his word.
(In that case, can they pleeeaaaase make the noodle vampire Zim?
)
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picklepie888 [2016-02-20 17:07:56 +0000 UTC]
I remember her. Eric Truehart talked about her at his panel at InvaderCon 3. By the way he was talking about her, he seemed to be really disappointed that this character never got to see the light of day.
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CrystalRobot [2016-02-20 15:58:54 +0000 UTC]
Ohhh yeeeeaahh.... I think I heard about her at one point, YEARS ago! I totally forgot about her! Dib needs more supporters/helpers. Anyone who gives him help or any form of believing him is a good egg in my book. hehe
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SUU-ITOGARU [2016-02-20 15:04:06 +0000 UTC]
this is big! that's great!
it would have been an ally in the Resistance!
oh, thank you for giving us another thing than it would have been if they had not canceled that episode!
I love her!
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Spectra22 In reply to SUU-ITOGARU [2016-02-24 17:14:57 +0000 UTC]
Aw, thanks! And I just learned that the next issue of IZ WILL follow the plot of the cancelled episode! So we might actually get to see Groyna! Probably won't look a thing like I envisioned her, but still...
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SUU-ITOGARU In reply to Spectra22 [2016-02-24 17:39:07 +0000 UTC]
you're welcome
and I know! I'm so excited
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leesydreamy [2016-02-20 13:44:56 +0000 UTC]
Finally! Someone who supports Dib! (Besides Gretchen that is). And speaking of which, DibxGretchen is still my otp, but this girl could at least be Dib's friend. If only. Nice job on her.
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Spectra22 In reply to leesydreamy [2016-02-24 17:12:41 +0000 UTC]
Thanks ^^
Right And yeah, same goes for my OTP, but Dib and her being buds would be great by me
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kandykrystalapple [2016-02-20 13:10:01 +0000 UTC]
There was a character that actually supported Dib!? I wish I'd had known earlier! finally he gets a teammate!
Thanks for telling me now I'm gonna go draw the heck out of her cause she does look like a awesome character.
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Spectra22 In reply to kandykrystalapple [2016-02-24 17:10:58 +0000 UTC]
Sweet, thanks! ^^ And guess what I just learned?: www.deviantart.com/art/INVADER…
The next IZ issue IS based on that episode, which means we might get to see her for realz!
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kandykrystalapple In reply to Spectra22 [2016-02-25 12:39:20 +0000 UTC]
Your welcome!
I'm so gonna read it the first chance I get! I hope we do get to see her, even if she was supposed to leave him for some pants
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PurpleBlueStain [2016-02-20 09:21:22 +0000 UTC]
She did? This is so... HEARTWARMING !!!
I'm quite jealous though...
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