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Published: 2017-02-05 19:20:46 +0000 UTC; Views: 2904; Favourites: 104; Downloads: 12
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You know, it's much easier to find shaded drawings about these two guys. I could only find one drawing about Goku vs Dark Schneider, for example
You can say this is the part two of this
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I see that they're fighting in the Earth's stratosphere like the fight between the God of Dstruction and Super Saiyan God.
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It's funny that they say that Goku can't breathe out in space (though Whis and Beerus informed us that Saiyans can't breathe out like Frieza and his race could), but they miss the point that they're placed within the planet's atmosphere.
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Yeah. I would know, because I saw the whole series and running so far. Even watching the release of the dubbed episode of when Goku fights Beerus as a Super Saiyan God.
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So you probably remember when Goku took that guys to the moon when he was a kid. That's a kind of gag scene, off course.
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Well yeah. I mean, he broke a manga panel after using Janken on Yamcha back at the Diablo Desert. The series did start off as a parody of Xiyouji (Saiyuki; Journey to the West), after all.
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I guess I know about Dragon Ball a bit more, huh? At least I don't like overestimate or underestimate them that much as how others wank them or lowballed them.
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Yeah, and this is difficult to see nowadays
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I didn't like overhype him and say he's an invincible fighter (since it shows him lose sometimes and goes for another round to and get stronger or getting use to their level of power) like how others say Saitama can one punch anyone or Superman being limitless as an example.
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This kind of person is pretty common nowadays
Also, I envy you a little. See, I don't think that Goku is invincible, but for me he can beat Superman just using the Super Saiyan. Although I don't force anyone to think in the same way, many people see this point of view as something more extreme.
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I'd be willing to debate that with you. I promise I'm not as quick to insults as my friends. Just a friendly debate. For one I don't see how Goku's first form is strong enough to get the job done. Doesn't really have any clear feats. However if you can name some then we can get this one by. For example Can you prove that Goku's speed exists on the nanosecond level? First let's put things into perspective with how small a time frame that is. A nanosecond is "one billionth of a second", one nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.71 years. If you could travel at the speed of light, you could go around the Earth 7.5 times in one second. Light travels exactly 29.9792458 centimeters in 1 nanosecond. This is equivalent to 11.8 inches, leading some to refer to a nanosecond as a light-foot. So again lets take that into perspective. Superman has been shown to have speed on that level to perceive/interact with the world in that time frame. So lets assume Goku can go the speed of light. If he could then he'd only be going a foot per second from someone who has nanosecond perspective of the world. That's the thing I like about comics compared to manga (Still love plenty manga/anime though) with a western comic you get a number to work with. Or a visual that makes sense without it being to vague to calculate. To keep this debate short I will only be discussing the super speed aspect of the characters to keep things simple and not to long.
Now please give me an example that could lead us to believably think Goku is going more then just entertainingly fast. But rediculously fast on that level. Another thing I like about western comic speedsters or super speed characters on par with them compared to manga. With Goku we know he's fast. Very fast. But that's it. We got not much to go off of. Other then him fighting another guy who is also vague on his own speed. No distance is given. No time frame is given for any action taken. However Goku only seems to use his super speed for a cool entertaining fight. But he doesn't give me the same impression a "speedster" would. For example a speedster does more then fight around the battlefield really fast. They EXIST fast. Literally everything about them is sped up and all aspects are sped up with eachother instead of as categories of different types of speeds. Superman gives off that impression that if he wanted to he could LIVE in super speed for a good while. Basically think of Metroman from the megamind movie where he spends what looks like a whole day in super speed (not a literal whole day of course. He couldn't have been gone for more then a moment. But his perspective makes you think he put alot of time into thinking about what he wanted to do)
Now lets think of another example. Ever seen that famous Quicksilver scene from the x-men movies? Now here's what I'd wish they'd do with anime characters. Show the speed with a measurable time frame with also measurable things moving around like bullets or explosions. Now here's what I want to know. Do you think Goku can replicate those feats from characters like those from those movies? Because Superman definately would be able to. I mean nanosecond level is more then enough. It's over 31 years worth of relative time spent in a single real life second. I'll show you the feat where Superman was clearly shown moving/talking, heck just basically casually existing in this time frame as if it were real time to us. Don't worry I'm not gonna throw a whole respect thread worth of feats at you that you don't wanna go through like with other debaters. Just this one feat alone to keep it simple. And to make it fair and better for you I'll even tell you the issue it happened in. The issue was action comics #642. readcomiconline.to/Comic/Actio… And if you don't want to read the whole issue then that's fine. I'll just link you to the specific pages it happened in as well from start to finish. I promise I'm not leaving anything out or exagerating. That's why I left the whole issue up there for you to read after all so that you know I'm not lying. Anyway back on track 2.bp.blogspot.com/6wGlPEuq9nq6…
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Now lets see what this issue by itself gave me that most mangas don't (no offense. Still love them)
1. We were given a time frame. This whole interaction happened "in a FRACTION of a nanosecond".
2. We were shown superman clearly talking and walking casually in this time frame. Remember being able to do anything in this span of time at all already makes you way faster then light. The fact this is happened a FRACTION of a nanosecond instead of a full nanosecond just makes this that much more insane of a feat. However I'll give this a lowball so it's easily calculable by saying this whole thing could have happened at most at 1 nanosecond (the only vague part about this issue is that they don't tell us what the fraction is. We just know it's less then a single nanosecond which is already enough to be impressive)
3. The context (assuming if you don't want to read the full issue. Which is fine) Green lanterns ring dilated time and teleported other potential ring wearers. One of them I recognize as nightwing and Clark Kent. Deadman is simply in this as an audience. Otherwise he's not really chosen. The extra bit of context is that deadman says the rings time effect doesn't effect him because he's a ghost (I'll admit even for a western comic this was a lazy handwave but whatever. I'll take what I can get from the writer. Besides it could be a classic trope of "you can't explain magic" with the supernatural ghost being the magic comparison) Everyone else is frozen because they are not mean't to be fast enough to be experiencing this (they are ordinary humans after all) Because Hal is supposed to have enough time to choose a successor without them even knowing. However other then Deadman Superman is the only one shown not effected (and since the other guys are clearly still frozen we can definately tell it's due to Clark naturally speeding himself up with his own super speed and not the rings doing)
Sorry if This is longer then I intended. Just wanted to make sure you understood me perfectly with no misunderstandings. And that there are no hard feelings in this debate.
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Hi
I'm really glad to know that it is possible to talk in a civilized way about the subject. Well, first I need you to know that I'm not fluent in English, so forgive me for some possible mistake.
About speed: I don't believe Goku can go the speed of light, but his brother. Yup, Raditz. The reason? Piccolo. You know he destroyed the Moon, right? Very well, if you see the scene you'll notice (especially in the anime) that between the blast and the explosion a few seconds passed. And the time would be even shorter if we consider the second of delay until the light travels from the Moon to Earth and the explosion can be seen. When Piccolo tried to kill Raditz with the Special Beam Cannon and Raditz dodged (Abridged reference
Now, how I said before, I BELIEVE Raditz can go the speed of light (in reflexes). And I can't prove to you how fast Goku can go, but I BELIEVE that his reflexes (not travel speed) are enough to match Supes' speed.
If I believe Goku can replicate the feats? Probably yes. Remember the first fight between Roshi and Krillin, and their description of what happened in that little instant (less than a second, if I remember correctly)? DB characters can do that things too, but they usually do not.
And yes, I read that comic before, but I don't remember exactly the reason
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Well at least that's something. However the Roshi/krillin feat is still much closer to an actual second instead of a nanosecond. The gap is to big to even compare. As for Raditz (in the anime it is said that he is faster then light, however it was later shown as just a dub error). As for piccolo destroying the moon.... Impressive. But not every ki attack seems to be fired at the same speed. Nor each one packed with the same punch. Also for all we know this could be an outlier. DBZ is known for abusing cinamatic time (5 minutes on Namek). For example Buu is shown firing a blast at mr Satan and despite Gohan being in the area he wasn't fast enough to even try to save them (despite for some reason Mr satan still had time tp pull out a pistol and fire at the Ki ball as it approached him) We are also shown two new feats in DBS that are either retcons or just proof of the characters current progress. For example www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmDlM… (I couldn't find the chapter but trust me this scene happens in the manga to) so I don't trust the power scaling in the show. The feats are the same but just lowed or heightened for dramatic effect. Either it's inconsistant with the feat you mentioned or it's an outlier. Either way I don't really trust the power scaling with how the speed is portrayed. Besides even if you take that as legit it's still not specfic. You didn't explain to me just how the feat was nanosecond level. You mentioned how fast the light was but not an average number for me to go off of. I need the feat answered in every possible way. How? When? Where? Who? Why? What? Seems simple enough. So for all I know Goku could be light speed but he might only be at a level where he's struggling at that level or just barely that level. I'm gonna need more specifics. Otherwise it's to vague. The nanosecond feat is at least very well explained and pointed out.
Then we have "Hit" the Assassin. He once said that his Time skip only lasts for about 0.05 seconds. What I wanna know is....why is that only enough time for him to throw a few punches? If he had nanosecond speed like flash or superman then he'd have over 31 years worth of time to do whatever he wants to his opponent....But he doesn't. It doesn't make sense. This is one of the few times the show gave us a number to measure and they didn't even give us a high number to work with to seem impressive for characters that have gone through so much and improved over so long.
And then we have "Dyspo". His appearance is either proof that goku's speed is a retcon by the writer or just plain ignorant writing. Dyspo is said to exceed the speed of light in short bursts. How much faster? We don't know. That's the vague past. So to be fair we will lowball it just like I lowballed my feat. Lets put him at at least light speed since that much is confirmed and not vague at all. However here's the part that messes with my head a little. He's one of the few characters in the show to have an actual quote of being this fast....and yet not to long after they state he has a weakness. Which is that his movements were to "linear" and so goku was able to predict where he'd be. He didn't have to actually be faster to hit him. Dyspo just sort of ran into the punches. Because apparently the one character in the show who can go faster then light is shown having "linear" movements. Which is basically saying that he can't properly control/react to his own speeds very well. He was faster then goku at least. But he couldn't use his speed casually like a real speedster. Or like superman. Superman can FUNCTION at those kinds of speeds. He doesn't do something stupid like only move that fast in a straight line. So if Goku who is slower then Dyspo who can't even properly utilize that kind of speed....then that mean's Goku can't really be at that level. At least not currently with what is shown.
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I know is too vague, that's because I said I BELIEVE for starters. Dragon Ball, like almost every other franchise, is susceptible to different interpretations, like yours in your post. For me, Raditz can go at light speed in reflexes, but for others he can't do it.
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Fair enough. Your welcome to your opinion.
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To me, I kinda got over it, since there are those who basically wank their favorite characters against my own and just make him a bit weak. Especially with the likes of ScrewAttack since they didn't power scale or done their research thoroughly or wait for new info. Like they say he can barely survive a planet explosion compared to when he's fighting during the Saiyan Saga, which he can overpower the Saiyan Prince at full strength with the quadruple Kaioken, and Vegeta is stated to be a planet buster. Saying that he could barely lift 40 tons, but this is when he is using his ki in the air and is not his upper limit. And saying that he travels at least mach 9 (based on his speed during the Saiyan Saga), yet he blitz by crossing the planet from the other side instantly against Frieza. I guess you could say that I do a little bit of debating and a bit of research of how it truly goes by looking up in the series and also the sources. Now we see Goku reaching at a cosmic level.
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ScrewAttack
These guys only see what they want to see.
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Yeah. And all of the sudden, Ben Singer (aka, Wizard) says that even if Goku has collided fists with Beerus as a Super Saiyan God, crumbling the universe, it won't make the difference.
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LOL
In the end, the only difference between their opinion and yours or mine is a channel in Youtube
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Yeah, no. Sups wouldn't be that damaged and Goku wouldn't likely be that high up
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Well, in all my discussions with you here in deviantart, I learned that you are totally partial when it comes to Superman, so forgive me if I don't really believe in your two affirmations.
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Considering Superman heals as he absorbs sunlight and being that high will give Sups a higher charge than on the ground, especially since we can see them in view of the sun. Heck, how can Goku breath that high up? when he fought Beerus, they weren't that high, I'd say Goku is at most half way to the moon!
Even Bardock wasn't that high up, and a larger planet would mean a higher atmosphere
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Off course Bardock was that high, maybe even more. See here: i.imgur.com/x5C63qU.jpg
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Again: i.imgur.com/x5C63qU.jpg
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The anime of Bardock was the canon one.
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And the manga have priority over the anime.
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The canon manga, chapter 307.
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Actually it's just a matter of perspective.
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Except Bardock would be looking up at Frieza, not being equal in height
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The manga only shows two pages about this, we don't know Bardock's position comparing with Frieza. Maybe the're equal in height, who knows.
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