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Goji1327 [2022-08-10 14:07:26 +0000 UTC]

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Goji1327 [2022-08-10 15:10:00 +0000 UTC]

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geneticmonster03 [2019-01-28 18:01:33 +0000 UTC]

grimlock??

forgot about unitron ( well its technically Megatron now since unicron is forvever trapped in a containment device)

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Miguel-Sepulveda [2019-01-28 15:08:57 +0000 UTC]

WOW!

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Miguel-Sepulveda [2019-01-28 15:43:02 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

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Miguel-Sepulveda In reply to TheWatcherofWorlds [2019-01-28 15:49:46 +0000 UTC]

Yw, keep it up!

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Strikerprime [2019-01-28 13:51:39 +0000 UTC]

What heck is Swindle doing with Grimlock? 

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Strikerprime [2019-01-28 14:18:32 +0000 UTC]

Doing business.


I mean Grim is king over the city New Spark.



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Strikerprime In reply to TheWatcherofWorlds [2019-01-28 15:43:10 +0000 UTC]

Uh...okay.

Doesn’t seem like the best idea given how Grimlock isn’t much of a political leader.

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Strikerprime [2019-01-28 16:04:48 +0000 UTC]

Well he did it anyways when Cybertron was brought back.

And I'm sure the other Dinobots can always help.



This part is canon to Prime by the way.

Turns out TFP and the Fall of Cybertron games were all in the Aligned continuity.


Dinobots were left on the planet where they lead a group of refugees underground where the energon receded to. Defending them from Shockwave's other creations.

Go have a read its a comic spinoff. All will be clearer for this starting point.


Oh and I also loosely took aspects of RID for this turn of events.

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Strikerprime In reply to TheWatcherofWorlds [2019-01-28 17:46:23 +0000 UTC]

Oh I know they're all in the same continuity. I've also read the two Dinobot comics that tell the story of what happened to the Dinobots after the Fall of Cybertron (and was super happy to see Sludge was alive). 

But Grimlock doesn't really peg me as a leader in the more political sense. During their time on Cybertron leading refugees, it was much more of a survival situation (which the Dinobots excel at doing given their durability). And even then, there were moments where the pressures really got to Grimlock and made him nearly lose it. I mean it's not his fault since Shockwave did reroute a large amount of the energy from his cerebral circuitry in order to boost his already impressive physical strength, thus making it very difficult for Grimlock to think straight. But now that they're no longer living every day scraping by with what little Energon they have and protecting refugees from Decepticons, I feel Grimlock and the other Dinobots really wouldn't be in a high position of leadership once civil society returned to Cybertron.

The Dinobots really prefer fighting and protecting others rather than leading them, especially since they used to be an elite strike force before Shockwave gave them their Dinosaur modes. So if anything, I'd expect them to be in more of a security position in Cybertronian society. Since that's where they'll get the most opportunities to fight off any Decepticons that do not agree with the peacetime. 

But that's just my input on it. 

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Strikerprime [2019-01-28 19:35:46 +0000 UTC]

Well that's food for thought.


I was actually gonna draw him living in the sea of rust area but being at a similar status as Team Prime I thought that it would be more logical that there will be too much backlash not to keep them there, and this is why I thought to put Swindle there as to say the Dinobots are being played, like the opposite of the King of Ba Sing Se in Avatar they are figurehead kings of nothing.


I find that this two faced type of betrayal is my favorite kind of tragedy, an enemy in the sheets, puppeteers hanging on to an uncut string.

And the worst of it is they aren't even aware.


But really that's another story entirely.

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Strikerprime In reply to TheWatcherofWorlds [2019-01-28 23:28:58 +0000 UTC]

That's a good concept to have. But it doesn't necessarily work well in the way you think when applied specifically to the Dinobots themselves. The Dinobots may not be the brightest of bots, but even they're not that gullible to be duped. While they were occasionally tricked into turning against the Autobots in G1, it really wasn't an elaborate plan or conspiracy. Mainly it was because they just wanted to fight and the Autobots couldn't handle their destructive roughhousing.

I mean, Swindle could convince them to leave the Sea of Rust and try to be do-gooders (if anything, I can imagine him giving them that idea to save his own skin when they have him at their mercy). But not even the Dinobots are dumb enough to be tricked into directly helping Swindle to commit crimes whilst believing that they're actually doing good deeds. 

One way you could make your two-face betrayal sort of work is to have Swindle send the Dinobots to some random location, where they end up being recaptured by Shockwave (I think they're dumb enough to be lured into an ambush since they'll more than likely end up walking away from it). But instead of reprogramming them completely as he initially intended, Shockwave instead implants each of them (or just Grimlock, whichever) with some sort of mind control devices enabling him to control their thoughts and actions (either that or he just straight up brainwashes them into obeying his command like sleeper agents if he says a particular phrase, that could work too). Then he just removes the memories of him catching them and then dumps back where he found them so they don't suspect he did anything. That way, the Dinobots have literally no idea what's been done to them whenever Shockwave and Swindle decide to implement their control over them. It'd be very much how the Dai Lee brainwashed Jet into serving them, or just anyone who mentioned the 100-Year War in Ba Sing Se.

There's nothing wrong with your two-faced betrayal theme, it just needs some tinkering and tuning.

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Strikerprime [2019-01-29 03:57:12 +0000 UTC]

That would make a perfect TF Animated episode... like a by the books looking plot but a whole lot of emotional weight considering what these Dinobots had to go through.


You even got the same theme down



But it is still just a backdrop to the main story focus so I wouldn't get too in to that sadly.

Im more of a small scale storyteller. These are like little insights to the present world of cybertron.

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Strikerprime In reply to TheWatcherofWorlds [2019-01-29 05:05:20 +0000 UTC]

The point I’m ultimately trying to make is the Dinobots really don’t work well as political figures, though they could work pretty well as instruments of political figures.

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TheWatcherofWorlds In reply to Strikerprime [2019-01-29 07:38:19 +0000 UTC]

Well put, we can just say that they are then.



Story's not really about the dinobots, they are just connected.


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Strikerprime In reply to TheWatcherofWorlds [2019-01-29 08:50:55 +0000 UTC]

Alright then. No matter if they’re major or minor characters in this story, that’s really just the ideal way to portray them.

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