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This is a couple warning signs to help you guys avoid people who are not going to pay you well and who might try to take advantage of you. These people lurk on deviantART to find new talent, assuming you are young and inexperienced and will naively accept crappy jobs. Don't fall for it!1. They ask for speculative work.
Phrases like "see what you can do" and "find out if you're a good fit" are big red flags. Don't ever do free work for someone who is offering to hire you. Nine times out of ten hey will take the work and use it and never offer you a job. This is almost always a scam. Just say "I have examples of ____ in my gallery". (you should have examples up of every style you can do.) Don't even do SKETCHES for the guy until you've signed something or gotten some money.
2. They offer to pay you in advertising or give you the "honor of seeing your work in print".
It is an honor for THEM to be able to print your art, not the other way around. Seeing your work in print is nice, of course, but if it's not a good publication you're not going to want it on your resume anyway. Don't take payment in advertising either, unless you know the site has a high amount of traffic; most of the time it's not going to pay off.
3. They say "I found your work on deviantart and I thought you'd be perfect".
This is a warning sign, not necessarily a deal-breaker, but watch out for this phrase. To outsiders, dA tends to mean a big collection of naive artists who will work for little pay. Don't accept anything less than what you're worth, and if you're good enough to get offered a job you're good enough to get paid a fair wage.
4. They try to haggle with your hourly rate by claiming they don't pay any of their artists that much.
This is a completely BS tactic. Don't buy any baloney about how they don't pay their other artists that much; even if it's true, it doesn't matter. YOUR work costs as much as YOU price it, period. Don't let some random guy tell you how much your time is worth, especially since he's biased in the first place.
Once you've gotten your hourly rate, STICK WITH IT. Never go down, only go up, because it's ten times harder to go up again once you've gone down.
5. They don't want to sign a contract.
If they ever refuse to sign your contract, especially without reading it, or if they say "let's not bother with formalities", hit the road immediately. They are guaranteed to screw you over.
And yes, you should have a contract if you're doing commission work, even if you only use it for the big jobs.
6. If you're not using a contract, they don't want to put any money down.
It's standard for artists to ask for at least some money up front if no contract is involved, if not the whole sum. Don't buy their concerns that you will disappear with the cash. YOUR reputation is on the line, not your client's. If we disappeared with the money, do you think anyone would ever buy from us again? But clients disappear without paying us all the time, and we have little legal recourse against them if there was no contract. Get some money up front and don't send the full file until you've been fully paid.
7. They address you by your username.
I don't know why exactly, but this has always been a warning sign for me. You should have your real name up on your site if you're doing business. If they don't even bother looking for it, there's a good chance that they're going to be a crappy customer.
8. They want to pay you by the week or the month instead of the hour.
This is just code for "we're going to unload a crapload of work onto you and pay you peanuts for it, and then fire you." Your pay should reflect the time you put in, not a flat rate.
9. They won't talk to you on the phone or give out their real name.
Granted, there are a couple legit reasons why some people can't talk on the phone (language barrier, for example) but if they "just don't want to give out our number to someone online", they're going to scam you. If they don't trust you enough to give out their phone number, why should you trust them? Not giving out a phone number means they can disappear entirely. Never operate with just an email address.
And if they don't give you their real name and company info, they're a faker. Run like the wind.
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Comments: 69
therewren [2009-03-17 19:07:21 +0000 UTC]
All very true and excellent advice. Though personally, in the case of small private commissions online I'm usually willing to overlook the email-only aspect if they're willing to shell out a decent down payment up front.
I ask for some form of payment up front from all private (non-commercial) commissioners. I find it's a good way to weed out the people who might try to cut and run.
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thundercake In reply to therewren [2009-03-17 22:04:47 +0000 UTC]
I have the same policy, it's worked very well for me.
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rosesmusings [2009-03-17 19:01:42 +0000 UTC]
Thanks very much for sharing! It's really helpful!
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CelesJessa [2009-03-17 18:59:31 +0000 UTC]
Very nice.
Another good thing that I've learned is there's a huge difference between "oh man, if you made that, I would totally buy it!" and actually buying it
Having designed a t-shirt for YuGiOh the Abridged Series, when I was trying to get ideas, there were plenty of people who told me "if you designed a Zorc t-shirt I would totally buy it" but then when the Zorc t-shirt came on sale it turned into "Well... umm.... the next shirt you should make should be Shaadi! Oh man I would totally buy that"
So any time people ask "hey should I make this into a Print" or somethign and they get a bunch of people going "yeah totally, I would so buy that!" it's usually a fraction of those people who would actually shell out the cash once it is out. So, that is kind of related I think maybe.
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thundercake In reply to CelesJessa [2009-03-17 22:05:23 +0000 UTC]
Very true, that's why I don't offer prints on dA!
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Themrock [2009-03-17 18:52:08 +0000 UTC]
I forgot that you have a senior status already, or i would haved suggested you again
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thundercake In reply to Themrock [2009-03-17 22:06:33 +0000 UTC]
Again? you suggested me the first time? o.o
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smilie-terrorist In reply to ??? [2009-03-17 18:52:05 +0000 UTC]
Some great advice, thanks for this
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rissbutts In reply to ??? [2009-03-17 18:21:37 +0000 UTC]
Great job educating said naive masses. It's sad that there is so little information on this subject on the internets...there's no reason fledgling artists should have to learn these things the hard way.
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msynowicz In reply to ??? [2009-03-17 18:20:59 +0000 UTC]
Fantastic list. I've encountered every last one of these. These are the type of "asshats" that send me notes. I properly ream them out for even trying such things. Then, I promptly block them so they cannot bother me any longer.
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Hubby-N-Dad [2009-03-17 18:19:01 +0000 UTC]
Agree with this, and I'm a customer... however, I have gotten burned via #6. I've a couple pieces that I've paid for a LONG time ago, and have received nothing. I usually suggest the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 plan (when I see a rough, when the lines are cleaned up, when it's finished). But that is just my preference.
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djgaijin In reply to Hubby-N-Dad [2009-03-18 05:08:41 +0000 UTC]
Same here, and by a "pro", too. It really sucks.
Still, I'm usually okay with paying the whole thing upfront if it's pretty cheap anyway.
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thundercake In reply to Hubby-N-Dad [2009-03-17 18:21:14 +0000 UTC]
Oh that sucks! I like 1/3s too, it's easiest and even if they stiff you in the final you get 2/3 of the money. But an artist doing that to a client, that's just insanely unprofessional!
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Hubby-N-Dad In reply to thundercake [2009-03-21 14:43:55 +0000 UTC]
well then, we shall see eye to eye in the future then. Win.
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AuviTria [2009-03-17 18:15:00 +0000 UTC]
Wow, I don't even sell my art but I find this very helpful <3
Thanks a million for posting it.
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sannekrueger [2009-03-17 18:12:59 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for sharing this! It will definately be helpful!
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