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Published: 2010-02-08 13:29:25 +0000 UTC; Views: 12569; Favourites: 206; Downloads: 95
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Having seen that dA is a Worldwide Art Community I am a little surprised that dA hasn't got any Language support for the major ones.This is just a Concept of how people could easily change their language to suit them better.
It would change the main menus on the site, things like the deviation titles can't be changed really but for the hard coded links and buttons I don't see how these can't be edited.
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yes, i know i have like 18/20 in english all the time
ah yes i forgot that part of history.anyway
well, i have a hard time to memorize old greek, even if i have a "mathematical logic" like you said it, it's really hard for me to learn it. i am also very bad in grammar, i guess this does not help.
a old teacher of mine learnt me that in englih, they're nothing to understand, only things to learn and he was right: as long as you learn your lessons, there's nothing to understand,if you have a hard time practising it after it's because it is not evident at the beggining, also, i guess your sister is kinda young, it will come with the time, but normaly, around 14 years old or even 13 sometimes you might be able to do correct or decent sentences to speak about simple things to others.or t means you didn't listen or leant enough well, and only work will get ride of this. like for everything after all.
that's it .-.
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Honey, you just CAN'T learn ancient greek ;D not even Greeks can
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our teacher is horrible, he's making us learning it Q_Q
wait
old greek is an option you can take to have more points at the BAC. sure you can learn it.
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Argh, code malfuction!
Damn it DX
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Je slaat echt totaal de plank mis. Dit is een visuele suggestie die het idee oppert om een aantal standaardfuncties te vertalen in een andere taal - bijvoorbeeld de hulpteksten, de submission tool, en de +faq pagina's om zo de website vele maken toegankelijker te maken voor deviants die Engels niet (volledig) beheersen. Dit zou in geen enkel geval content (deviation descriptions, journal entries etc.) gaan vertalen.
Een optie als deze is extreem normaal op alle grote websites. Facebook, Google en (iets dichter bij huis) Hyves doen dit ook al. Vandaar dat ik dit voor een Daily Deviation heb gesuggest.
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I think you don't understand whether or not I understand.
However, I refuse to converse with you in this manner any further. You need to speak English. Otherwise it would make me a hypocrite.
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I would just like to say that forcing English on everyone is assimilation and disrespectful to their culture and identity. There is no reason or need to require everyone to speak the same language. Diversity should be encouraged, not stifled.
Good day, sir.
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If there was an argument to make English the only language spoken, I'd side with you, definitely. Yet I am making argument to motivate and push everybody to speak English as a second language, or at least try to learn.
Also if you can't think of one, while there are several, good reason why it is favorable to encourage people to learn an universal language, there has to be something wrong with your perception. (That however doesn't mean that I'm saying you are stupid if you aren't in favor of this, it means I am seriously questioning the possibility of you not being able to think of one argument in favor of it.)
Oh, and, eh, I'm a ma'am actually.
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Even requirements to make people learn English as a second language will result in loss of their culture in identity. Forcing people to learn a language results in subtractive bilingualism, where the new language is learned at the cost of fluency in their mother tongue.
I see no reason for people to be encouraged to learn a universal language. As long as each nation is happy and thriving, able to communicate with each other in matters of foreign policy, perhaps through translators, I'm happy. There's no need for a universal language, as peoples will always find a way to communicate with each other.
I use sir as a general term of respect and/or finality. It's like the untility of "dude" among genders.
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In my opinion learning more languages is an enrichment of culture and identity, not a loss of suppression of it. Yet that aside.
First of all, translators do work for international bussiness and politics, but are still unfavorable compared to all parties speaking the same language.
First of all because I think it is more welcoming to the other parties to either speak their language or English rather than your own, although this is kind of a silly argument.
Secondly because a lot can get lost, altered, twisted or completely changed in translation.
Thirdly because speaking, translating, replying, translating, is a much more time-consuming process than speaking-replying. And when it comes down to important internation politics and bussiness I think its favorable to not stall the conversations, discussions or debates.
Yet, actually my main concern is not those high-profile men and women, but ordinary people.
Imagine let's say a Chinese couple visiting let's say France for a holliday. They have a fun time, but on the 3rd day while being driven through Paris in a cab, they end up in a carcrash. One of them is heavily injured and has to be rushed out to the hospital in an ambulance. The person in unconscious and during the trip to the hospital his or her situation becomes unstable. His or her partner has to make a drastic and important decision that will affect all of the first person's remaining life (if he or she manages to make it), pronto! Yet here's the problem, that lovely Chinese man or lady has never learned to speak English nor French decently, and none of the French ambulance attendees speaks Chinese.
Better yet, imagine yourself in that situation. In a foreign country that you don't speak the language of, surrounded by people who don't speak English.
Another situation: While in a foreign country of which you haven't bothered to learn the language, you get arrested. You haven't done anything wrong at all, they just confused you with somebody else. Somebody that was suspected to fly a few kilograms of cocaine out of the country. None of the policemen, or any of the people in law inforcement that you come across after your arrest, speak English or any other languages you know... And so you can't explain to them there's been a mistake. Hell, because none of you can understand eachother it doesn't even matter if they are aware of this anyway. And before you know it you are put away in some filthy unmodernized prison that in which you have to fear for your life every day, just for being from another country, for a couple of years without ever having done anything wrong. It might sound absurd, but it happens.
And these are extreme cases of course. Things can already get a mess by something as simple as asking the way, trying to find out what train-ticket you need to purchase, ordering food in a restaurant, trying to get the right medicine at a pharmacy, etc. etc.
If you say we all need to stop learning other languages, that pretty much means that tourism outside one's own country becomes a whole lot less pleasant and maybe even (more) dangerous.
But perhaps your lack of understanding here might find its origin in you living in a country where it is pretty normal to speak English within the boundaries of your own society... At least, I'm assuming you grew up there too?
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Oh yes. Because that kind of problem can really occur while using a website like deviantART. You're taking this out of context kthx. This is about deviantART and nothing else.
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No, you are failing to connect it back.
To avoid all such nasty situations and to stimulate good and smooth communication, people have to be stimulated to learn an universal language, preferably English. By translating everything to people's native languages, even simpler things like the basic tools and content of DA, what you do is taking away stimuli. That is, when the website is in English only, you have to get involved with the language one way or another. This way you will pick stuff up, at least some, while if everything is already translated for you, you won't.
This is of course still a bit an exegarration, as much of the user-conversation will still be English, but I believe in being part of the solution instead of the problem and that any small measure you do take to improve something, is a good one.
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tl;dr. Keep it with dA and dA only. :U
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Yes, because not looking at the bigger picture obviously leads to the best decisions.
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If I'm arrested in a country that I don't know the language, I'd flash my passport and ask to get to an embassy. There are foreign policies in place to help me there.
I take steps to protect myself, like wearing medic alert to show what allergies are had, or having a phrasebook on hand.
Often, places where tourists frequent would have at least other tourists who know your own language that could help you out, let alone the locals would become familiar with your people. Or they will recognize your language enough to find someone to help you. People aren't completely irresponsible. They aren't going to lock you up without opportunity to defend yourself.
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That place where your mind is, I would love to go there. It seems so safe and simple and peaceful.
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It's a place where I'm prepared to do what I need to in the world to be safe, not expect everyone else to cater to my need for safety. I do what I gotta do, and let everyone else live their life the way they want to.
If someone wants to choose to learn English, they can choose to use English services, like using this site in English, to bolster their knowledge of the language. If they are more comfortable using it in their own language, it hurts no one to let them. You should not force your opinions on other people, but let them have the ability to make their own choices.
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I have to say that I also agree with you! It might influence DA negatively if we could use it in our own language, besides if you really want to talk in your own lanuage there are groups for that.
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Well I'm not sure if I should fully like it or not. Sure, this tool would make it much much easier, but it would also support the different little groups within deviantart - which I think is not really community-like. This means that for example Germans (I can say that because it includes me) will start getting together with other Germans, make their own little thing and therefore people with a different language wont be able to easily join in, critique on work ect. This is already going on a lot and sometimes really stupid, when I want to tell an artist how great their work is but the image description is already Russian (for example).
If it was optional, certainly a good thing! However, I would keep the 'idea' of deviantart being rather international, so the tool can be used to increase the language level for English, so it can still be used with other artists.
And then, as said, what languages should be included? There is so many!
However, that's only MY opinion 
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I would leave "deviation" as it is, like a name, translating it would not make any sense.
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I don't think it should be on the top-bar, as you don't change your language everyday. A language-setting should be nice, but added under User Settings.
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Its common sense if you think about it, i know some people are turned off because there english is not that strong and they can't get to grips with the basics. Its a good idea! DA should do this!
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I'm from Poland and I don't like it. Languages are like barriers. When we all using english, we are more like "family". I go to random art and I know what he writing and how talk to this guy.
Sometimes I see description or comments in Spanish, or something else, and I don't know what they talking about.
I thought about idea like this many times, and I think many users also. This mean most of us don't like different languages, because why this idea came here NOW? Not month ago, not year ago, not ten years ago.
SO:
If YOU like translating 5 descriptions in 5 different languages (For example French, Spanish, Russian, Polish and Italian) do this option.
I hate one thing on deviantart. "Grays users" never have their voice in your updates. Think about it.
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The idea is that the content wouldn't be translated, just the basic usage, like menus and the like.
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I know but it's like Youtube, or other sites. When people see menu in polish, they will be writing all in polish.
You better think about something what will remind that users must write in English. Then that suggestion will be good for all.
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They don't have to write in English, though. That's the beauty of it. They get the option of choosing what language they want to communicate in. They get that freedom to decide whether or not they want to communicate in their own mother tongue, or practice their English.
That's currently how it goes. You can make posts and comments in whatever language you want.
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So do what you want.
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I'm from Poland and I don't like it. Languages are like barriers. When we all using english, we are more like "family". I go to random art and I know what he writing and how talk to this guy.
Sometimes I see description or comments in Spanish, or something else, and I don't know what they're talking about.
I thought about idea like this for many times, and I think many users also. This mean most of us don't like different languages, because why this idea came here NOW? Not month ago, not year ago, not ten years ago.
SO:
If YOU like translating 5 descriptions in 5 different languages (For example French, Spanish, Russian, Polish and Italian) do this option.
I hate one thing on deviantart. "Grays users" never have their voice in your updates. Think about it.
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If this subject hasn't been an official poll yet, it should REALLY be the next one!
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I really like it if dA would be ''Dutch'' you know form the Netherland
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I agree with some people that dA helps to learn English, but not all of the possible users know even a little bit of English language. My mom would be a perfect example: she liked to draw when she was younger (and it was pretty nice), but she knows only Polish and Russian. This way she wouldn't be able to browse the site without me or my brother, because she wouldn't understand anything D:
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I can see a lot of words that can be translated wrong lol
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This should be default since the beggiing
no todo en la vida es ingles
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This actually sounds like a great idea! Although there is no way to translate everything (literature submissions, chat and forum conversations, etc.), I'm sure the buttons and FAQ would be extremely helpful to a lot of people.
~D~
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Well... English isn't my native language but I would keep the language setting as English. Because it's an international community and because I'm a part of this international community and use an internationally understood language to communicate in this community.
I rarely speak German here and write my artist's comments in English because of the international community that I found here. Switching between two languages all the time would be simply confusing for me. When I use dA, I think in English. I have some problems with literature written in English (that wouldn't be affected by the setting at all) but everything else is really simple to understand, easier than the German example that was brought up as an example...
Even when I'm speaking German, I'd rather say "Moment, ich submitte noch kurz eine Deviation!" than "Moment, ich ΓΌbermittle noch kurz eine Abweichung!"... Some things are already words themselves so that trying to translate them might make them sound really weird. At least in Germany that's a quite common phenomenon!
.... "Abweichung" sounds nothing like art. More like a slight mistake that happened in a factory so that there are now screws 8.2 cm long instead of exactly 8 cm xD
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~D~
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Words like "Schmetterling!, "Zuckerwatte!" or "Seifenblase!" (meaning butterfly, candy cotton and soap bubble)? xD
I honestly love the German language and think it can be really poetic and beautiful sometimes... But some words just don't fit in certain situations, especially when you used the English words long before you were able to translate it which was the case with "deviation" and "deviant (Art)".
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Ha ha! I'll have to try and remember those. ^___^
~D~
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Ooh, "Schmetterling!" does indeed sound like a dirty word. Too bad my mother actually knows German. XD
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I can see how that would spoil the fun a bit xD
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Wow... didn't even realise that dA doesn't have multiple languages...
But if they'd translate the page, I wouldn't translate "Deviant" or "Deviation" at all...
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I am French, and I have great difficulty with English.
I confess I do not understand all the parameters of this wonderful site.
For a better exchange between artists from around the world, it would be very wise to implement this idea!
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but damn, by the comment you made it seems that you actually don't have that great difficulty with the english language (take this as a compliment ) P:
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No , it's Google translation who did not done many mistakes for once
I would like speak english like this but learn a language for french people it's very difficult x)
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ohhh i see
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