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These are my views and my views alone. Yours may be different and I understand that.
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I am both evil and wicked. Whaddya know.
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On one of my favorite topics that has proliferated dead horses for nearly the last three and a half decades... I have but one humble belief.
Any woman should have the choice of whether or not to carry a child to term. No argument stronger than this stamp makes. I have a funny feeling that overruling abortion rights would have a similar, though smaller scale, consequence as prohibition had.
ATTN: Those of you who felt that a coat hanger was a bit extreme. Would a needle injecting saline into a fetus been a better choice? How about the diagram =truemarmalade linked on this page? Get real.
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The thing that is so horrific to think of is that there are still women who feel their only options are backstreet abortionists. If abortion rights were made illegal a lot more women would find ways to terminate their pregnancy and more would die.
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Although in the defense of those who still get the "coat hanger" abortion... some of them don't have the means to get a clinically performed one or live in situations that prevent them mentally from obtaining one. For instance a friend of mine is due in August. She thrilled to be pregnant because of all the special benefits unwed mothers get from the federal government so she's not about to get an abortion. Despite that, her dad who is also happy to be having a granddaughter took away all of her wire coat hangers and replaced them with plastic ones. She has told me that he threatened to kill her if she were to abort the baby. Which is hilarious when I think about it because he has a license plate for pro-life people in KY that says "Choose Life".
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This kind of issue is for the individual to decide for themselves. They are the ones that have to live with the dicision for the rest of their lives one way or the other. Being a male, I don't envy woman for the decisions that they have to make. This is a wonderful peice that makes the point with out going way over the top.
On a side note though, at one time in US (Old West), if someone called you a cheat you were allowed to have a shoot out down main street. If you shot and killed the man it was concidered justified. You could got back in the tavern and have a drink with the local sheriff. If you tried to do something like that now, you would get a fast seat on old sparky.
My point is that laws are relitive and will change with the dichotomy of the people. Centuries down the road people could think that what we did and how we did it is backwards.
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I am pro-informed-choice. Did you know about this?
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yes, I did. Abortion should still be a choice, a HARD, informed choice, but still a choice. Humans choose to do harmful things to their bodies daily, smoking, drinking, silicone breast,cheek,butt implants... steroids and HGH's. Even mundane things like piercings and tattoo's have their 'chances' to do harm.
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Urm... I understand the pro choice thing... 
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When abortions were illegal desperate women would get knitting needles or take apart a wire coat hanger to insert it into themselves to achieve an abortion.
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Oh my god...
Abortions here aren't illegal... Thank goodness...!!!
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Fingers crossed one day they will be illegal nowhere.
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I agree with this. While the idea of using abortion in anything but an extreme situation makes me want to vomit, I shudder to think what would happen if it were illegal.
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Like Nazis, the pro-choice movement dehumanizes its victims; it treats the unborn as sub-humans, like the Nazis treated the Jews. The hypocracy of the situation is that many pro-choicers oppose the death penalty for criminals, but have no problems with killing innocent unborn children.
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Because of abortion and contraception, the proportion of people living in third-world countries is greater now than it was ever before. I personally hope for at least a partial overturn of Roe V. Wade, and when I get my law degree and become an attorney, I will do everything in my power to see this happen. I might even become a judge and rule on one of these cases. Naturally, I have to stay as neutral as a I can, but if any interpretation is allowed on my part, or if I go into any unprecedented legal territory and can use a "judicial philosophy", I will support the rights of America's most vulnerable population; the unborn.
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Cute, and unnecessary. You could never be a neutral judge. Ever.
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Abortion is eugenics. It is killing the population of the first world. Because of abortion, half the world lives in sub-replacement fertility countries. While I do see the value of abortion in cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life is in danger, I don't see the value of abortion in ANY OTHER CASE. And it would be best if the raped or incested mother brought the child to term anyway, because we need to population in order to sustain our society.
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Yeah, because there aren't already enough humans to fuck this planet up completely. But, my hatred for humanity is to be saved for a different stamp.
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Also, when I said I "see the value" of abortion in those cases, I still think it is wrong, but those situations are not as intrinsically evil as abortions done for other reasons.
And as for your hatred for humans... well, if you had it your way, the human race will be extinct all because you are too bitter and messed up. No offense.
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Abortion's evil? Since when? It's just crushing a foetus, it's not like the lady killed the thing after it was out screaming. Which (at least in Europe) happens. Albeit, rarely.
An abortion is a means to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. If there was a different way to do so, sympathetic ladies would run straight to that method instead. But, there isn't, so... shit sucks.
Oh, so irrelevant on my part to mention that, but... Only because I'm too bitter and messed up? Really? You seriously had me laughing. Humans were the downfall of everything. If it weren't for humans, there wouldn't be wars, global warming, destruction of the environment, ect.
Nasty little things, they are...
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"Just" crushing a fetus? That's a form of legally-sanctioned murder, even if you can't see it die. I suppose then, by that logic, I could kill people if I had them locked in a sound-proof room and gassed to death, and since I don't see or hear it, it "must be okay."
You can't just kill someone because they are unwanted. That's an extreme form of heartlessness. Maybe we should go around killing unwanted ethnic groups next.
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But, a foetus won't be able to feel it, since it's only legal to abort if it's developed only to a certain point.
But, this isn't killing someone, it's killing something. How many rabbits and rats (My favourite things in the world) are poisoned because they ate someone's fruit or veggies? (I feel worse for them, honestly. Call me fucked up, I'll agree)
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First, even if someone cannot feel it, that doesn't mean we can kill them. If I put a person on painkillers and then crushed their skull, that is still wrong.
And call me silly, but I believe that my the lives of my fellow humans, of any age or size, carry more weight than those of rabbits and rats.
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Why "first" if there isn't a "second"? Never mind, I'm too big a perfectionist. But, a foetus isn't a person, it's a... thing.
Oh, so now some lives are more valuable than others?
No.
And, why do you make this about killing people, when it's about killing a fucking foetus?
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A fetus is a person. You were a fetus once, and you are a person, not a thing. I was never a "thing", and neither were you. I cannot find it in my heart to deny personhood to a human being. That's... well, you know how in internet conversations that the longer it goes on, the likeliehood someone will mention Nazis approaches one? Well, it just did. Denying a person their status as a person is Nazi thinking, particularly when such denial is accompanied by angry scorn, as if you have something against the unborn just for being alive.
And no. All human lives are of equal value, including unborn lives. You need to understand that.
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A foetus in my opinion is not a person. It doesn't have feelings, a personality, ect.
And, I was a foetus, yes. I became a person. Out of something that isn't a person. You know what they say, it's not a chicken, it's an egg.
I won't even go into the "Nazi thinking".
I'm not referring to human lives, but all lives. Animal, human, insect. Anything. Because you value the future life of a foetus more than a current life of a (Pretty, lovable, adorable) rat (Which is the best think to ever live <333).
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First, we don't know if "it" doesn't have feelings or personality. I'm pretty certain that the unborn have feelings, and a heartbeat (from about a month in), as well as the basics of a personality, including the awareness of their own existence.
Also, I value human lives more than those of rats. If we were speaking before a crowd, and you went off into a rant about how rats are worth as much as us, and how you think rats are adorable, people would not think you were credible. I sure don't.
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My basic, obviously limited assumptions are its lack of a personality. Of course, as this has yet to be proven, it is left to those limited assumptions.
Why so, however? As rats haven't the power to destroy this planet. Humans, however, do. Humanity is the worst thing to strike the Earth.
But, I am not credible. I am simply a girl with different eyes, who sees what barely anyone can. And who likes rats.
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Well, rats have spread diseases. That is bad. Not to mention, there was a time in which humans could not wreck the planet; in fact, for 99% of human history, we had no nuclear weapons or other means to destroy the Earth.
And frankly, no one would believe someone who values rats over humans. I am sorry, but conversations like this convince me more than ever that abortionism is part of a sick cult of death and atomistic individualism and selfishness, and eventually, public tolerance for abortion will go the way of public toleration of involuntary sterilization of people deemed "unfit" and other eugenic policies.
That's what abortion is, anyway; a form of eugenics based around personal demand, as opposed to the old form of government-run eugenics.
And frankly, the worst thing to ever strike the Earth was an asteroid. XD
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Do rats destroy the environment? Nope. They help get rid of all the rubbish people make, actually.
And, I said destroy the planet, not each other. I couldn't care less if the human race was destroyed. I mean what is happening now. Power plants, cars, smoke, chemicals, everything that destroys the planet. And later, humans complain about nasty weather.
I beg your pardon? If one person who is pro~choice happens to be insane by someone's opinion and you think that's all pro~choicers, you don't go out enough.
But, haha, y'know what they say, it's not a chicken. It's a fucking egg.
Haha, maybe it was a nice asteroid?
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As if rats can eat plastic and metal waste. Nice try.
And I'm pretty sure you would care. All of your family and friends are human, I am sure.
My point was that abortion is murder, and a form of eugenics which kills off people who would otherwise have lived. Not to mention, people who support abortion will eventually be outnumbered by those who don't, for obvious reasons. It is kinda hard to pass down ideas and culture to people who were never born, you see. It is even harder to pass down nihilism and a "culture" that does not stand for anything so much as it says "be selfish!"
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No, but they can eat bugs, and a sandwich you thought you threw in the bin.
And I am human, too. (Though I wish I wasn't) But, really, I wouldn't. I wouldn't exactly be able to complain, since I'd be dead.
But, haha, murder is when I grab a knife and pick up a random person and slit their throat.
I don't get how you can see terminating an unwanted pregnancy as the same fucking thing.
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Because abortion is the killing of another human being, even if it is by different methods, such as sucking them out of their mother and crushing them.
Aren't you glad that you weren't killed before birth?
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It's not a human, it's a foetus. It's not fully developed. If a lady who wants to have... offspring does not abort (Which would be the rational thing to do in her situation), the foetus shall become a human being.
Not particularly. Like I said, I wouldn't be able to complain, I'd be dead.
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A fetus is simply the first stage in human development, a stage you and I both passed through. There is no one magic point in which you or I just turned into a human from a "thing"; even before birth we still had brains and hearts and lungs.
The rational thing is not to murder anyone at all. A fetus is a human being too. You might as well tell me that an infant isn't human either.
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Ooorrrrr.... We could agree to disagree.
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... So you think we need MORE people in the world, and that abortion would solve that problem? Even if we have kids until our population exeeds that of all the third world countries, what in the world is that going to solve?
I'm sorry.. but I powerfully disagree. Look around at some of the world's problems.. pollution environmental degradation, poor water quality and an ever-decreasing water supply.. More people, and unplanned/unwanted people at that, most certainly won't make it better. And if economy is what we're so concerned about, we should think about changing our design so that it's not dependant upon a massive population. The world can get along just fine (and I would honestly argue, much better) without more people on it.
It's been mentioned, but criminalizing abortions isn't going to stop people from not wanting children, and from getting pregnant without meaning to. It's just going to make it more dangerous for the people who are looking to end their pregnancies anyways. Birth control is always going to fail sometimes. People are always going to have irresponsible sex. It's not something you can shake your finger at and hope it goes away, while at the same time taking away the only safe option out there.
Like alchoholism, getting an abortion isn't something you should be proud of, but we're damn lucky that we have resources that allow us to deal with these problems. If you just said 'Your mistake; you deal with the consequences' to every alchoholic, or scared and pregnant woman, or person who slipped up and cut their finger off at work, it'd be a pretty sick world, indeed.
If you're having unprotected sex and using abortions as a birth control method, that's equally as deranged, not to mention rediculous and potentially health-damaging, but can you honestly generalize that to ALL women? I would imagine it's a very small few who do this, and it's probably akin to the percentage of people who light their boss's property on fire because they didn't get a promotion. Don't judge all women getting abortions by the actions of a few confused individuals.
That wasn't all directed at you, Noguy, so I hope you don't take personal offence. But do think about these things before claiming we need more people in the world. There's a whole world of wrong in that kind of statement..
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You sir, are the only intelligent one left.
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I'm going to put this in my journal; Thanks for making this! Horray for freedom of choice.
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The coathanger bit never made that much sense to me. A woman will die from mutilating herself that way eventually, so what's the point in doing that if there's a strong possibility that you could die shortly afterwards? =/
I do believe that abortion is necessary if the mother's life is at risk or if she gets raped/mollested (but then there are pills to take to prevent development in the first place anyway) But if it's just for convenience then yeah it really doesn't seem right. But that's just my opinion.
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I totally agree - abortion shouldn't be contraception.
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