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Hi!This is something very different from what I did before.
I was wondering for a long time what can I do against abortion. I talk to some close people about that but that's it. So let try this way.
So people who are for free, legal abortions, they say that they dont kill babies, they just take fetus of. Fetus is just different name for a very small baby. Can anyone say what is the moment when fetus become baby? How can that be some week or whatever? Its OK to kill very small person, but its bad to kill big one.
I know this is not the best quality illustration, this is just my first try but if you want to use it feel free. You can download original vector file from [link]
You can edit it as you wish but pls dont change the point.
Thanks and I'm open for all correction if there is some mistakes here in my work.
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I don't have the power to take care for a child
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What about rape? What if you aren't financially able to have a baby because your baby will technically be living on the streets?
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A fetus is not a baby. A baby can survive on its own as a viable little person. A fetus is nothing until it can survive independently.
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Child cant survive without help maybe until 4th year. So is it ok to "destroy" them before that?
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Wow, congrats you've just won the Dumbass of the year award!!!
listen here you bilgerat prick, Its not YOUR body, Its HERS!!!!
and you have absolutely NO say in the matter. And furthermore,
would you like a rape baby to be born??would you prefer the child to live
a neglectful life???or what if the mother is too poor to keep the child,
and even if she wanted to keep it, she could not. Plus childbirth is
a BITCH from what Ive heard, and so is carrying the diseased little
parasite!! And she does not have to go through MASS amounts of pain just cause
you said so. Its scum like you that make me sick, and I will not REST, until you morons have been wiped from the face of the Planet.
Understand??Β
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A baby breathes, a baby poops, a baby can think and understand and comprehend and be fed (willingly) by hands and boob. A fetus drains energy from the mother and can't breathe or think or poop.
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It poop
According to what you said, abortion can be done until ninth month. If not so, I'm very confused what is the moment when baby become human being?
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Abortion can be done until then, but legally it's not.
The fetus becomes a baby when it becomes viable. This means that if it's removed from the uterus, it can survive on itsown. The majority of aborted fetuses would definitely NOT survive (they're the size of your pinky nail).
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You know, technecly baby koalas are little fetuses when they're born and they have to crawl all the way into their mother's poach unassisted. (Just trying to lighten your mood seeing as how you are (or at least were) in a disagreement with a fellow deviant of this pic.)(yes, I am aware abortion only refers to human fetuses)
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Oh god don't put that image in my head .__. marsupial fetii things are the creepist little boogers. They're lucky they grow up cute.
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I was just sharing an intresting fact and trying to take your mind off your argument...you don't need to get all upset at me.
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I uh, didn't get upset at you? I was joking with you about how icky marsupial fetii are.
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so what is pro life in your opinion? and is abortion ever ok?
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In this case, pro life means to have a child, or if you cant be a parent give the child to orphanage. You do something which as we all know has as result a baby and we changed our minds. It may not be appropriate at all, but its like when you go to restaurant, sit there, order a dinner and when it comes you say but I'm not hungry, I dont want to eat. Its easy to change your mind in this case but you still have to pay. With abortion, you kill baby inside but you dont pay to anyone, because baby (fetus) is small and cant fight you back but chef in the restaurant can.
And there is a rape question... Its hard, very hard question but still when i think about LIFE on one side and BAD MEMORIES-TRAUMA on the other side, we must choice life. Dont make it even worse by killing other life.
Thanks for asking and I was glad to give you my answer!
Do you have different opinion?
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thank you very much for your opinion ^^
yes i do, being pro choice and all. i believe the mother should chose what happens to her own body, especially her reproductive organs. otherwise, the government has made women with pregnancy into baby making machines whenever they get pregnant. as for the rape issue, i wouldnt wish for any victim to carry her rapists child as it would continue their suffering and end with a painful and potentially life threatening childbirth.
basicly, i dont want a child to be born because the mothers being forced to, i want it to be born because its family loves it and wants it there
thanks for taking the time to talk with me, its much appreciated ^^
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Sorry for late respond
You said that you dont want a child to be born because the mothers being forced to, you want it to be born because its family loves it. Then I think that if mother dont want to be forced to born baby then she shouldnt do all that which leads to pregnancy.
If you've just brushed your teeth and you eat your dinner, dont be so surprised if your teeth are not clean anymore. It's stupid comparison but still...
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i understand that lol but it isnt always the mothers fault
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Just realized I forgot to fave this, sorry.
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I wanted to ask what does your avatar mean? Interesting!
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It's the two sides of my personality. The sunny side I show the world, and the darker side I hide away. ^_^
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i agree. abortion is simply horrific. everyone is always saying that women should have the choice, it should be up to them, but they did get a choice - they got the choice of abstinence or contraception.
what really bugs me is barrack obama's support of live abortion. he was the chairman of a group that tried to legislate the 'neutrality clause' in order to make live abortions legal.
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Its all about "human rights". I agree with you women have choice but baby in stomach doesnt.
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mmmm... it's whoever speaks loudest that gets a say - and unfortunately for them, babies can't be heard yet.
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They think that they dont kill babies, they call it fetus to feel better
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when it was "alright" to kill blacks, the excuse was, "their lives aren't as important". when Hitler committed genocide, it was that they were second class citizens. when women weren't allowed to vote or drive, it was that they were inferior.
now, when infanticide is being committed in the form of abortion, they justify it as, "they're not people."
in other words, i totally agree.
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And we dont know what kind of excuses are waiting us in the future. The same things are "they are terrorists","they may have nuclear weapons", "they are so suspicious"...
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There are two types of abortions, one is a miscarriage and the other is the deliberate action of getting rid of the fetus inside of you. Just wanted to put that out there first.
Basically, you can't do anything to stop abortions. Obviously, you can educate people on safe sex, why they should wait to have sex, and all the other things that are related to sex and women not getting pregnant but stopping abortions are impossible and making abortion illegal will probably cost the life of both child and mother (due to unsanitary means and all that).
I am for legal abortions, I'm not so sure about free as it does take money to have these clinics and such.
A fetus is a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth. While a baby is a very young child, esp. one newly or recently born. SO, in other words, a fetus is what it is while in the stomach and a baby is after it is out. It is technically not another name for "baby". Also, according to another site, the cells that create a baby are first an embryo, until around 10 weeks, which is when they are now, more or less, like a little baby (in the way they look). Most abortions happen before the first 13 weeks when it is pretty much still cells coming together.
Also, late term abortions aren't quite accepted as earlier ones although, these are children who still have yet to become full life and some people have circumstances that do not generally allow them to be able to fully take care of the child for one reason or another. Also, you are not helping take care of the child, you are not adopting it, you are not helping for the fees. After a fetus is born and becomes a child, there are so many economic, emotional, and mental ties to it and people seem to forget that. There are people who can't support another child, people who were raped, people who are in a period of their lives where it just isn't a good time to have one, among so many other small to big reasons.
To be honest, to have an abortion is a choice. If you don't want one, don't get one. If someone gets one for whatever reason, that is their choice, just as it is a choice to keep the child for whatever reason.
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People created whole new science to excuse murder of the child in mother's womb. If this work for you, nothing I would say can change your opinion.
And I dont ask you to give me an answer, but just think, if there is nothing wrong with abortion, why mother feel guilty after abortion? Yes, woman feels very bad, even when nobody knows for that.
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A whole new science? Do you mind explaining your thoughts more as to me, that doesn't really make sense...
I feel as if you are implying that I implied that there is nothing wrong with abortions. Of course it is far from being ethically right but as I said, you don't always know the circumstances that surround someone on their choice of getting an abortion NOR do are you helping them in any way if the child were to be born (mentally, emotionally, economically, etc). So, of course people would feel guilty, sad, depressed, or something among those lines for going through an abortion, heck, I bet more than half don't want to go through it and that it really is their last option (but for whatever circumstances that surround them, whether it be that they are too young, have too many kids, it will kill them, etc). Abortion is far from an easy black and white discussion, it is black, white, and all that is between the two. It brings in a woman's body, the possible child, the circumstances, emotions, and so much more into the equation. Which is why I support the choice of choosing what you believe is right for yourself (ie woman in general in such a position).
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"heck, I bet more than half don't want to go through it and that it really is their last option"
i would like it if pro-choice people would address this matter. it seems that women today are being pressured into abortion by financial and home life and all that. why don't they give mothers the choice to keep their child as well?
and also, if a mother doesn't want to have a child, she should take all measures to prevent one, rather than "cure" one.
and i believe in a black and white world, perhaps that's just my naivety, but i do. there is the wrong choice and the right choice and all its consequences. whether or not you're brave enough to face those consequences is up to you.
" Which is why I support the choice of choosing what you believe is right for yourself." what if what is right for yourself institutes murder? we cannot be so selfish as to constantly make decisions for ourselves. Mothers are expected to take responsibility of their children. expectant mothers should take responsibility of the little seed inside them that they themselves planted.
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I don't quite understand what you mean by "I would like it if pro-choice people address this matter"?
Anyway, yes, women are being pressured into abortion for those reasons as well as bigger issues at hand (though the larger ones are obviously the more rare cases that abortions happen for). And people whom are pro-choice are those who generally to completely accept the fact that it is the person who has to make the choice to do what SHE feels is right (Whether it is to keep the child or to not have it).
Just because someone gets pregnant doesn't mean they didn't take the preventative measures that one takes so that they don't get pregnant. Though yes, I do agree that those who don't think things through should definitely think of the possible consequences and be as preventative of getting STD's or pregnant before they have sex. However, accidents happen. Sometimes whatever they are using doesn't work and the woman gets pregnant.
This world is not black and white, even if you believe in it. There are too many things within life (and human emotions) that make the world a lot of colors (in between black and white). However, there are wrong and right choices and there are consequences but this too, may depend on different views and all the extra things.
Eating meat institutes murder (And a lot of animals aren't treated the right way). Killing plants, little bugs, and such also institutes murder... Although that is an unfair comparison. Anyway, there are many other lives that need to be taken care of too, that are living if one does what she believes is right for herself and possibly even her child, that is her choice.
And not all expectant mothers planted the seed within themselves. There is such thing as rape and there is the possibility of getting pregnant through rape. Also, there are those rare cases in which the child is killing the mother, should the child's life (even if it is possibly dying) be put before the mother's?
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"I don't quite understand what you mean by "I would like it if pro-choice people address this matter"?"
it means that pro-choice supporters have managed to fund abortion clinics with tax-payer's money. some of these clinics are Planned Parenthood which received $1.1 billion last year (it also cut back on other services such as adoption) and "ObamaCare" which has streamed $8 Billion towards abortion. also, look at this video that shows one of the nurses in the Planned Parenthood institute show a 13 year old how to lie about the age of her 31 year old boyfriend who got her pregnant. [link]
Did she really have that girl's best interests in mind?
this is part of a news report:
"...The case, filed in Hamilton Countyβs Court of Common Pleas, involves a girl 14 years old at the time, whose 21-year-old boyfriend is alleged to have compelled her to have an abortion at Planned Parenthoodβs Auburn Avenue facility on March 30, 2004."
"Why should they be bothered by the fact that the women they counsel choose abortion over adoption at a rate of 120 to 1? After all, referring women to an adoption agency earns them $0. Getting them to abort brings in an average of $413!"
a quote from AMATF which is for abortion:
"Across both the Medi-Cal and Finland record-based studies, a higher rate of violent death (including accidents, homicide, and suicide) was observed among women who had an abortion compared to women who delivered. This correlational finding is consistent with other evidence indicating that risk for violence is higher in the lives of women who have abortions and underscores the importance of controlling for violence exposure in studies of mental health associated with pregnancy outcome. (88)" (found on [link] )
this quote shows that abortion does harm the mental soundness of the expectant mother. yet AMATF continues to deny that there is no connection.
these facts show that those who defend abortion most adamantly have a financial disposition to do so.
they also show that those who carry out abortions (Planned Parenthood) ignore the patients well being (the 13 year old girl)
they also show that women no longer have as much choice about alternatives and are pressured into abortion which is the quick and easy way out but has long term consequences for the mother (in some cases, even post traumatic stress disorder).
so when you say "heck, I bet more than half don't want to go through it and that it really is their last option" and i say that i would like it if pro-choice people would address this matter, i mean that i would like it if that 8 billion in tax payers money would go towards adoptive services and such that provide women with another way out, so that they don't have "to go through it", and so that it ins't "their last option."
my mum used to work in a place called "House of Nathan" it supported young mothers who were rejected by their families and boyfriends, and helped them keep their child. but they lost their government funding a few years ago, and although everyone there worked day and night without pay, they just couldn't afford the money.
i've addressed your first sentence with factually sound evidence and logical thinking. i could continue to rebut your argument if you wish? i'm sorry about the lengthiness of of it, and probably the offensive ways i often put things, but i stand firmly by my arguments and beliefs.
some sources: [link] [link] [link]
this site's figures were different from the other one giving similar facts, i'm not sure which one is more reliable (they both have their biases). [link]
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Sorry, the computer I use has blocked the video but I'll see if I can take a look once I get to my other house.
Also, whoa. That's messed up. I wonder why was the girl even having sex with someone so old in the first place at her age and if that's in the US, that's both statutory rape and pedophilia(Since she's underage, right?) to do that. Did the 31-year old guy go to jail? Same with the 14 year old and the 21 year old.
Adoption should definitely be an option before abortion, I quite agree on that. Anyway, I did not say that abortion doesn't effect the mind, especially for those who are pushed by others to do it (maybe when they want to keep the child and in those cases, I wish those women were allowed to freely choose what they thought was right for them and right for the future ahead). Obviously, as mentioned, some people do get post-traumatic stress by going through abortions and I even remember way back when a person who's friend went through one got very depressed. Which is why I do believe that one should think very deeply about what they are doing, other options, and how it will effect them instead of simply just going through it. Each woman will be affected differently.
I don't think Planned Parenthood is necessarily all corrupt though, even if some of it is. But away from planned parenthood, my own thoughts are that beforehand, people should be warned about sex (And that accidents can happen; Condoms break, Birth Control doesn't work, etc) and the other preventable measures, people should talk about all options that one can choose from, people in the situation should be talked to, people in the situation should be supported (Maybe not their actual personal choice but supported in the sense that you do not ridicule a person for what they choose), and such like that.
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sorry for the late response - assignments had me weighed down.
the 31 year comment was ignored, because she would have had to file a report if that happened - the nurse pretended she never heard the age of the guy.
the 21 year old i would assume went to jail for rape.
but i believe as long as we are pushing the idea that abortion is alright, people will be forced into taking it, because it's "the easy way out" although it has long term consequences.
but shouldn't just be thinking about how it will affect them - they should be thinking about how it will affect the child. as with a toddler, a parent is responsible for the safety of the child because they can't fend for themselves, now, in the womb, where you can't even see if the child is smiling or not, mothers should have extra responsibility, because it is even more helpless.
and planned parenthood may not necessarily be all corrupt, yes, but i do believe a fair majority of it is. they stand more to gain by boosting the amount of abortions.
No form of contraception is a 100% preventative, except abstinence.
and yeah i agree. people should not be ridiculed for their choices. although i strongly disagree with abortion, and i believe it is murder, i would never ridicule someone for it, and i would try to support them as much as i can.
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Why does it feel like you're implying that if one is pro-choice they don't pay taxes?
By the way, according to a pro-life website, it's not $8 Billion. "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama signed into law on March 23. The law authorizes $5 billion in federal funds for the program, which will cover as many as 400,000 people when it is implemented nationwide." [link]
However, I do think that with any tax that stands on such things like this (or war) that paying the tax should be an option. I was also reading, which I can't find at the current moment, that the money provided doesn't simply just go into abortions but rather a multitude of things?
I'm pretty sure I've also seen some bad stuff written about Planned Parenthood by Pro-Choice people about the way they handle things in certain states (From some pro-choice/pro-life/just about babies arguments). I haven't paid much attention so I personally can't say much except from things I pull off from articles and such. Did you list the source as to where it says it cuts back on adoption and why and how it does?
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i don't know, i never intended to. it would be a stupid and illogical assumption on my part ^_^ sorry if it did.
okay, perhaps my source was incorrect,i don't know, and i should check things like that thoroughly 
it's a good idea, to fund the things that you agree with, but that's why we elect certain governments - so that they can represent what we stand for.
and once again, i apologize for my last argument - well actually the way i stated things - it sounded really arrogant.
but despite all these other topics related to abortion, the main one stands, can we justify the murder of a child?
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Sometimes abortion IS responsibly. And if pro-lifers care some much about a fetes, than how comw they don't offer to raise the baby that the woman is going to abort?
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Does a fetus which hasn't even developed a nervous system carry the same human value as an adult indidivudal? I don't think it does.
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New born babies dont have skeleton system completely formed and nervous system too (dont have all bones and cant see clearly etc) so its so small human value and we can kill it if we dont want it. I dont think so.
It maybe dont have developed a nervous system, It has small heart, bloodstream, skin and many other stuff so you will agree that is something.
Rock is nothing, a flower is nothing or any other plant or even animal but those little thing that we call fetus very soon, for couple of days will have everything that human being should have. Fetus is already human being but not completely formed.
What is human value?
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Why does a fetus have human value at all? We must respect the value and opinion of a fully grown human being over something that only possibly could become a full human being.
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If it's not human, what is it? What species is it? Please, enlighten me.
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Human being with a human's full value. This isn't a question of species definition, but of philosophy.
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Ah, I see. Well, I value EVERY human life. So unless you can tell me what other species an unborn child is, abortion will always be wrong.
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