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Published: 2015-06-16 20:30:13 +0000 UTC; Views: 4956; Favourites: 46; Downloads: 2
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Did this on my free time before graduation. That's right. I am gonna graduate (if I pass the Personal Finance final exam -_- Fuck.) Also, Pixlr sucks at doing what Photoshop does better. But I still use it in case of no Photoshop on any school computer.The Rave manga has ended with Haru and Elie getting married and having a son. I see less hate and more love.
The Fullmetal Alchemist manga, as well as its faithful "Brotherhood" animated series ended with Ed and Winry having kids. Again, less hate and more love.
Unlike both the Rave and FMA ending, The Naruto Manga finale, as well as The Last caused a controversy by having an ending when NaruHina, SasuSaku, SaiIno, ChoKarui and ShikaTema were canon. Because I see people bitching about the ending, especially anti ending people who were hardcore NaruSaku/NaruSasu/SasuKarin/SasuHina fans.
And this doesn't make any sense. Yes, FMA, Naruto and Rave are different shonen mangas made by different publishers and artists, but come on. Why the ending of Nardo is hated while FMA and Rave isn't when the ships are canon?
Naruto © Masashi Kishimoto, Shueisha, Studio Pierrot, TV Tokyo, Aniplex, Viz Media and Cartoon Network/Adult Swim.
Groove Adventure Rave Master © Hiro Mashima, Kodansha, Tokyo Broadcasting System, Tokyopop, Studio Deen, Cartoon Network and Syfy.
Fullmetal Alchemist © Hiromu Arakawa, Square Enix, Bones, MBS, Aniplex, Funimation and Cartoon Network/Adult Swim.
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Because alot of these shippers wanted the main guy character to end up with the main girl character, and they didn't get that in Naruto. Even the IchiRuki fans got pissed off when Bleach ended.
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I don't have any problems with the Naruto ending because I was reading it for completion by chapter 600. People likely faced disappointment from the basic predictable ending. The story was trying to make the villain morally gray, then change him like 3 times, but eventually the villain was just a stopgap. I was just glad it ended, and didn't do anything jarring for the sake of an 'edgy' ending.
I guess the main problem is 'earning'. Rave master had several harsh deaths, so the cast deserved a cop out ending. FMA took the proper path for its plot, didn't linger, and gave satisfactory ends for the characters and their respective arcs. Naruto fans, at this point, were mostly obsessed shippers. That's why Kishimoto took the borderline pairings and made them canon, to satisfy the majority. That's my theory. It has absolutely no research behind it.
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Scott that makes no sense. FMA just disregards the conflict it mentioned. Roy wanted to revert Amestris to a democracy so the military would be held accountable for war crimes in Ishval but that never happens. Bradley is venerated as a hero despite nearly being complicit in sacrificing 50 million people. The only two military officers arrested were two who complied with Father's agenda. Amestris helping to rebuild Ishval means nothing since they culled most of its populace because they were ordered to.
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At least FMA acknowledged that genocide is wrong and that the status quo has to change.
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No it did not since nobody is held responsible for the genocide that occurred. Roy wanted to revert the country to a democracy so the Amestrian military would be tried for war crimes they caused in Ishval. Grumman is never seen instituting them or is even interested. Bradley is still considered a hero and it is stated they cannot expose him because it would cause the government and military to lose the trust of the general populace. You condoned that coverup and then make up stuff about Naruto that never happened.
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Oh, really? Did I make up the fact that Sasuke and Orochimaru were let off the hook like nothing happened? Did I make up the fact that the Uchiha massacre was swept under the rug and justified by the narrative?
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Yes, you made up the fact there were innocent Uchihas (Itachi mentions the entire clan is aware of the plot) and then even worse condoned what happened to Ishval in FMA while lying the military was held responsible. The Ishval massacre was never formally condemned, the person (Bradley) who ordered it is still considered a hero and the military is never tried for war crimes despite Mustang's words. Grumman is the Fuhrer and he is not interested in trying the military for genocidal actions.
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I never lied about that, you're doing what you always do and put words into my mouth so that you're always right.
The Ishval massacre was not condemned by the military in-story, but it's clear from how the manga is written that you're supposed to consider it a bad thing, while in Naruto you're supposed to think that Itachi was a great person for doing all the shit he did.
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Yes you did and you went as far as to lie about it and the genocide in Ishval. The FMA narrative does not consider it a bad thing since despite words about responsibility nobody is ever tried for it and the coverup is still maintained. Bradley incited a lot of shit and it is stated they cannot inform anybody since he was so popular and it would lead to distrust of the government and the military. He is still a hero to Amestris.
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Lies, just more lies from you. If you had paid any attention to FMA, you'd have understood that it doesn't excuse the genocide in any way. But I guess you were too busy fawning about how perfect and flawless Naruto is.
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No that would be you lying. FMA ends with the conspiracy still being maintained and the rhetoric of the military being held responsible being futile since war crime tribunals never happen. You went as far to make up stuff about FMA that never happened.
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But the tone of the story still says that the conspiracy and all that jazz are wrong.
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The tone does not mean anything since FMA ends with a conspiracy still being maintained by the heroes and nobody being held responsible for the genocide. You scorned Naruto for doing it but ignore and excuse FMA.
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The tone means everything.
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The tone means nothing. Both FMA and Naruto end with a conspiracy being maintained and nobody being punished for the genocide. Bradley has to be reported as hero by the people who despise him since telling the truth would make things worse.
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Yes, it means everything. Stop spewing bullshit.
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No it does not. The only bullshit is your pathetic defense of FMA despite doing the same thing Naruto did.
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Except FMA did it better.
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No it did not since it ended the same way. A conspiracy is maintained and nobody is held responsible for the genocide despite the rhetoric.
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You are too stupid to understand.
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You are too much of a hypocrite since FMA does not punish genocide and ensures the conspiracy is maintained for the sake of peace. You have the nerve to be angry about Naruto agreeing with Itachi not to tell the truth but do not condemn Edward or Alphonse for allowing Bradley to still be proclaimed a hero and a martyr.
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Blah blah blah blah. You just can't accept not being right, can you?
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Says the dumbass who lies about things that never happened in either manga.
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At least I have more common sense than you and Kishi put together.
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This makes perfect sense. Haru x Elie and Ed x Win were heavily hinted at, developed and well thought out. The Naruto pairings were mostly pulled out of Kishi's ass at the last moment. Or if they weren't, they still had very little development and were thrown together in a sloppy way.
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Thank you! I got enough bashing from rabid NaruHina fanatics that called me stupid, confused and what have you. 
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haha I know fans can be crazy xD
I don't think any of the characters really made sens paired together except Temari and Shikamaru ofc, and maybe Naruto and Sakura but it just irked me how screwy the characters love lives were. I mean it isn't so hard to see lol. Hinata and Sakura went after their "loves" like love sick puppies... even though they were given little to no reason why. And there was just a lot shit that doesn't add up for the pairings that came about :/
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I know. Kishi's writing is so massively screwed up, it's unbelievable.
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agreed lol. I am very disappoint especially given the potential
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I know, right? Especially when Kishi betrays all the lessons he tried to teach:
- "Bloodline doesn't matter! Work hard and believe in yourself!"
Too bad Naruto has a demon fox inside of himself and is the descendant of the greatest hero the world ever had.
- "Violence is never the answer!"
Too bad all the villains were stopped by defeating them in battle before they could be brainwashed by Naruto's plot-powered speeches.
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Why the hell is anybody going to listen to someone with double standards regarding genocide?
You state the Uchiha Clan Massacre was horrible but seem to think what Bradley orders to the Amestrian military to kill the Ishvlans was justified. Alucard founded Fairy Tale to kill all humans despite the fact the the people who ruined his goal of creating a utopia for monsters and humans had been dead for 600 years.
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I never said the Amestriam Massacre or the acts of Fairy Tale were justified. In fact, I never said anything you're talking about.
We are talking about Naruto, where the massacre of the Uchiha is shrugged off as a necessary evil.
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You mentioned Fullmetal Alchemist and state Rosario Vampire was okay with its final battle despite the problems.
Now you are discussing genocide and seem to be indifferent to what Bradley and Alucard did.
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I'm not discussing what Bradley and Alucard did because those acts were clearly and firmly denounced as wrong in FMA and R+V, so there is no need to add much to what the mangas already said.
In Naruto, on the other hand, the Uchiha massacre gets justified by the story, when it was just as wrong as what happened in Amestris.
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No they were not. Alucard was forgiven despite the fact he wanted to kill all humans in the future for something that happened centuries ago. He is allowed to ascend to heaven with the Three Dark Lords despite his crimes. The Ishval Massacre was never punished since the country remains a military dictatorship and none of the soldiers are tried for war crimes or incarcerated. Bradley is still venerated as a hero by the general public. FMA and RV treated genocide lightly despite what the villains did.
The Amestrian military is never punished for the genocide that was perpetuated in Ishval. Nobody is charged with war crimes or incarcerated for the slaughter. The only people who are charged are General Clemin and Edison at the end of the series. They were arrested and blamed as the mastermind's of Father's plan. Your condemnation of the Uchiha Massacre but excusing the other two is nauseating.
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Yes they were. At least Alucard wasn't a whiny loser like Obito, and in FMA, it is acknowledged that things need to change. Genocide is not treated lightly.
I'm not excusing the other two, jerkass. Go bother someone else, because your incessant prattle bores me.
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OMG, someone gets it! xD
1. Yeah it's kind of sad, because it would've been really cool to see someone like Lee become a a really great hero given his hardships. I mean I get the Naruto is the protagnoist but still :/ also, I thought it would've been cool if there was a point where Naruto had somehow lost the power he'd gotten from the fox and see how he would fend on his own.
2. lolololol it got worse as it progressed, because at first it wasn't so bad but like towards the like middle of shippuden he just talks all of the villains out of their evil plot only to beat the shit out of them afterwards xD
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OMG someone is a hypocrite.
1. What is sad that you consider villains killing or harming innocents for petty reasons to be okay because they are cool but breaking a lesson is unforgivable.
2. ffs ffs coming from someone who venerates Seto Kaiba, Ursula, Maleficent and Cruella this is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard.
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srry i am a bit confused x.x but
1. what villain exactly am I saying is okay? I'm just saying that imo the message is kind of inconsistent? He has Naruto basically trying to act like every problem the villain has ever faced can be overlooked by simply talking about it with him like he's the most inspirational person in the world. But then if it doesn't work he kills them. I don't see how that's coherent.
2.also, I'm still more confused? I don't 'venerate' Seto Kaiba, I just find him incredibly attractive lol... in many aspects he comes off as much douche, and much ego. I don't particularly like or dislike maleficent, ursula or cruella also?
I think the finale was shit for many other reasons as well moreso than those above.
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To everyone giving every reason why they think naruhina is "bad" ITS OVER! It's been over and it will stay over. No amount of but hurt will change a thing! Get on with your anime lives.
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The problem with NaruHina - especially compared to say Winry - is that Naruto had a canonical crush on Sakura throughout the entire manga and that her lack of presence throughout the manga made it feel fan service-y.
Naruto never shows the possibility of having a romantic interest in Hinata in the manga (so no, I'm not counting The Last here) - nothing even as simple as realizing she's "cute". All of his interactions can and WERE interpreted as friendly and grateful by a lot of people.
If Hinata was meant to be his final love interest, she should have had more of a presence. For example, after Naruto leaves the hospital when Tsunade wakes Sasuke after the Sannin Arc, Hinata could have appeared and talked to Naruto - this would be the moment we see his crush on Sakura wane and he would think "cute" or have a small blush when she walked away. This would create a sensation that Naruto was moving on and finding Hinata attractive.
Have Hinata slowly go from silent support to vocal support.
Elie was a main character in Rave so she had character development with Haru throughout. Winry was a supporting character who appeared often and fixed Ed up all the while be good for him in a supportive way.
Hinata honestly failed to deliver that - we went several arcs with no appearance and when she did appear she would only support by thinking it rather than saying it. She wouldn't say "Good luck, Naruto", she would think it which ruins any development between them.
There is also Naruto's canonical crush on Sakura that lasted the entire manga and makes Hinata seem second best because he couldn't have Sakura. Sakura's fixation with Sasuke being a constant detriment to her character development. Sasuke out right saying he has no interest in Sakura - not to mention Sakura's feelings being outright said to make no sense but Kishi's pushing it anyway.
Sai and Ino because it hurt Ino's character development of her falling for someone only because of their looks - a plot point from Part 1 that was pretty much dropped. Chouji and Karui because they have zero character development together making it seem a lot worse.
Naruto in not a romance manga but neither was FMA.
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yeah if HARU OR EDWARD marry with some random girl... well that would be so sad...
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