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I republish a version 2.0 failing to put fact censorship first by "the good thinking universally left" most "charlie" this will recognize even if majority in my country (which is the 4th most atheist in the world small info in passing) if it should happen again, I would ask all people not to respond by the violence, it is already what they seek above all, be by pure trolling or because they do not know anything and as they hate what will be able to fear, they would rather want to do the ostrich by bellowing like donkeys because they want nothing understand, on the contrary I would like him to pray for these people in the Name of Jesus Christ that He delivers them and they are saved.Related content
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Ah yes, one of the most contradictory commandments in the bible; "Thou shalt not kill".....
Why then, do christians slaughter and pay to eat the flesh of conscious self-aware living animals? How can christians sit at a dinner table and pray to god about love and hope and peace to all beings on earth, when they have the blood of a tortured animal on their hands and a graveyard in their stomach? If that commandment was just about killing other humans, wouldn't it have definitively said "Thou shalt not commit murder"? A murderer is someone who takes a life of a human with a deliberate predetermined purpose, and a killer is someone who takes a life of ANY living breathing creature, whether they consider it to have a soul or not. Some christians try to play it off as "just some simple mistranslated word", but the moral and social distinction between "kill" and "murder" is hardly a small mistranslation detail- it goes without saying that one carries a LOT more weight than the other.
The intended meaning of “Thou shalt not kill” was just that. No killing.... it renders every god-endorsed bloodletting done by the nation of Israel a violation of god’s OWN commandment.
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Mark 7:18 to 23
"18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
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What the fuck does any of that mean
Please reply like a normal human instead of throwing random bible quotes written in a dead dialect at me?
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I wouldn't call it a mistranslation when it says 'kill/murder', but it's more of 'go without saying' that it's referring to just human beings.
I understand your feelings towards animal life and how livestock is being treated today, but back then and even in the not-so distant past, animals were just as much as an important food source as crops.
Here's a bit of literature that might clear it up:
God and P.e.T.A.And after many of years since He created the world, God heard complaints coming from his beloved man.
"God, my neighbor has stolen a calf and is mistreating it," said the man. "I don't want any man to own and mistreat any animal. I will stick with my promise. Smite the Farmer!"
And God went to the Farmer. "Farmer, have you stolen a calf when I have given you plenty the herbs and crops to feed on?"
The Farmer looked up to God and said, "No, I haven't God. My old ox has died and I went to the trader. I saw this young calf with cuts on its barrel and sores on its hooves. I traded half my crops to save this poor animal. In return, when the calf has grown into a healthy ox, the ox will work for me in the field for the same many hours I tend to my crops. It shall be fed and sheltered like myself. And if I ever hurt this beast intentionally, may I be smited."
God understood and with this returned back to heaven.
And then years later, He heard another complaint from his beloved man.
"God, the
Also here's a video of a atheist and a 'animal lover' who gave her description on why not everyone can go vegan: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdpGMT…
Of course that does not mean we can treat animals anyway we want. Now here's a verse that makes more sense.
Proverbs 12:10
The righteous care for the needs of their animals,
but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.
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Although the Old Testament, the foundation of which the bible is built on, contains some prescriptions for meat-eating, it is clear that the ideal ethical situation is vegetarianism.
In Genesis (1:29) we find god saying: "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in that which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
In the beginning of creation as described in the bible, it seems that not even the animals ate flesh- In Genesis (1:30) god says, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat; and it was so."
Genesis (9:4) also directly forbids meat-eating: "But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it."
In later books of the Bible, major prophets also condemn meat-eating. Isaiah (1:5) states, "Saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he-goats. When ye spread forth your hands, I will hide Mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear, for your hands are full of blood."
According to Isaiah (66:3), the killing of cows is particularly distasteful: "He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man."
And lmao, PeTA is literally one of the worst metaphors one can use to describe vegan/vegetarianism in a conceivable way
Even those who are in support of veganism/vegetarianism (and have some conscious awareness of how certain organisations try to "represent" groups of people by use of aggressive marketing campaigns) know to stay far away from being associated with PeTA and its eco-terrorist ideologies.
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Ehhh, found a few holes.
Genesis
Yes, I can see that. I would go into more details, but that will get off track.
I am fully aware fruits and vegetables are more healthy. But for Genesis (9:4), they're talking about not eating 'blood'. Also to poke a bigger hole, Genesis (9:3), the line before reads...
'Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb I have given you all things.'
Deuteronomy (12:23-25) goes into more details about not eating blood
'Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life: and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. thou shalt not eat it: thous shalt pour it upon the earth as water. Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with that children after thee, when thou shalt take, and go unto the place which the lord shall choose.'
You can also find verses that forbid eating fat.
As for Isaiah (1:11) (not 1:5), if you look around the verses, it wasn't about just killing animals, it was how sinful the nation of Israel had become.
Back then, sin was forgiven through sacrifices of animals or by having them wander towards the wilderness, which is now no longer needed through Jesus Christ. Yet in the text of Isaiah 1, the people sacrificed, but they hold no interest in repenting.
It's like a child causally apologizing to their parents, then immediately misbehaved right in front of them.
You actually missed 'To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me?' for (1:11)
The same is said for Isaiah 66.
As for that PeTA thing, have you not read it? Sure the main focus at the end was PeTA, but look at the story throughout. You see people shaming others for their treatment of animals based on their views, but the 'animal abusers' explained their reasoning on why they 'had' to do it.
There is a list of unclean animals that are forbidden; but other than that the most important thing is to not eat the blood, the fat, and anything offered to an idol.
I'm not saying we're allowed to do horrific things to animals, and yes and vegetarian lifestyle is still a better option health wise. But in a Christian view, there is nothing wrong with eating meat, as what alexpixels said before.
But I will never condom the love of animals, I actually love nature.
While I do eat meat, the only thing I ever let die are insects to my lizards, along with fruit flies and mosquitoes.
If you want to spread awareness about not eating meat, go right ahead, that is still coming from a good place. But the Bible is not contradictive about killing animals for food.
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Despite everything, meat-eating still seems like an incredibly cruel and unnatural habit for christians....
I've always found it a little curious when christians often say that all evil people imitate the ways/habits of wolves, yet rather, in terms of the amount of death and ecological damage humans cause to the environment, we are an even worse detriment to natural ecology than wolves by a scale of many, many magnitudes.
To wolves, nature has given them the ability to become highly-adapted carnivorous mammals that are able to kill swiftly and mercilessly. But christians speak about how god has honoured humans with status, the ability to comprehend mercy, to live peacefully and with conscious life, and yet, by constructing slaughterhouses and putting money into the hands of people who's entire career orchestrates the suffering and death of conscious creatures by the millions every day, they have ended up becoming worse than even the most vicious wild beasts imaginable
Meat can never be obtained without pain to living creatures, and ultimately, paying for/causing deliberate death and injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the spiritual attainment of mercy and peace. Humans cannot create a conscious life from nothing, so how can we have the right to kill any living entity? Man-made laws which distinguish between killing a person and killing an animal are are not only imperfect, they are full of speculation, distortion, and discrimination....
Everyone is god's creature, although in different bodies or dresses. God is considered the one supreme father- hence, we have the concept of the unity of life, that all living creatures (humanoid or not) are connected through the experience of self-awareness and emotional capacity. A father may have many children, and some may be intelligent and others not very intelligent, some with violent tendencies, and some are peaceful, but if a very intelligent and self-aware son with purposefully selfish violent tendencies tells his father, 'Though my body was not particularly designed to eat meat, I want to feel indulged. Many of my brothers are not very intelligent; let me kill them, they are docile, easily tricked, and their bodies flesh will taste delicious', do you honestly think the father would agree? ... similarly, if god is a supreme father who loves all he creates, how could he allow one particular son to organise the suffering and killing of animals who are also his sons in this way?
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what did you not understand?
I answered your question, read again
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He's speaking more about the animal's well-being, not about eating meat or not, which is understandable.
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Honestly. I have mixed feelings about the suicide part, mainly because I have been depressed and suicidal myself. Awful place to be. I am not meaning to be cliche and type empty words when I describe it like "words cannot describe it." It's a truly disturbing monster, depression. It twisted my mind into thinking that death is the only way out and made me hate the fact that others were trying to keep me alive / make it harder for me to kill myself. It is so messed up...
I don't know if it was God or just a good progression of things that lifted me out of it, but man... you don't want to feel what it feels like to feel that way. (That last part came out a bit unintentionally funny.)
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Anti-theism is the cancer, Christianity is the answer
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Well this comment section has already gotten crazy. Sorry for ya.
Now I await for whatever response a far-antitheist and/or troll will give me.
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One of the ten commandments is do not kill people.
Murders is to take someone's life suicide kill themselves and abortion is kill the unborn children.
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So how many people who got murdered.
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How many women were abused and raped and whose fanatics forced you to keep the filthy offspring of her monsters?
A fetus is not a human being, but it’s hard to understand for the middle-aged religious backlogs.
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Wow, I see that an anti theist saying all of this big talk, yet cannot justify why morals are absolute in their own worldview
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A living THING, not a human being. Plants are alive, it doesn’t make a human having.
And it takes more than 3 to 5 weeks to find out if a woman is pregnant.
This time limit has been exceeded in 100% of cases.
With all due respect to the believers who use this argument to justify their fanaticism.
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And I know a lot of atheists who know that abortion is a woman’s right and that a believer does not have to give his opinion on it.
It is only Christians for this fight against this right that is UNABLE in a country that is not stupid by religion.
And "fetus" does not mean human beings, only mammals.
Reread your dictionary better instead of staying the nose of your bible.
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Okay first of all, I also know many Christians who support abortion because the Bible never said which or which isn’t a baby. Abortion views aren’t always religious views.
Actually, you’re wrong. Atheists ALSO fight against abortion
friendlyatheist.patheos.com/20…
www.americamagazine.org/politi…
Again, pro-lifers are against abortion because of SCIENCE and common sense, not religion. I literally only met 2-3 pro lifers who use their religion as an excuse to be pro-life
marchforlife.org/science-shatt…
What at the heck do you mean “reread your dictionary instead of staying your nose in your Bible?” I literally gave you the definition of fetus from google and you’re saying I’m using the Bible? Do you need glasses sweetie?
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In any case I do not need the opinion of a fanatic who invents his own claims and who has the stupidity of believing that Christians are in no way responsible or majority of this backward movement
But what can we expect from a fanatic who believes that child rape is less serious than abortion.
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Dude. I give you sources and proof for atheists being against abortion exist, a fetus by definition being an alive human, and you still call these an “opinion” and I “invent my own claims.”. How do I know YOU didn’t event your own claims? Where’s YOUR sources?
And I didn’t even mention anything Biblical related besides not all people using the Bible for their pro-life arguments? So i’m the “fanatic” here? LOL. What a fucking joke.
I never said Christians aren’t responsible for anything. Yes, they have done wrong, but not everything is done in the name of religion as your imaginary world set seems to think.
“But what can we expect from a fanatic who believes child rape is less serious than abortion” Nice strawman there buddy. If we don’t care about child rape, what does this say, hm?
www.nbcnews.com/news/pope-fran…
www.chicagotribune.com/opinion…
Myth #9: Catholic Priests are Child Molesters
Yes, the Catholic church has had huge and horrible scandals in which some priests were molesting children. This was absolutely awful and shameful, and they will have to stand before Jesus for what they did. That part is not one of the Catholic myths.
But if you look at the statistics, however, only a very small minority of priests were involved, and it isn’t really fair to blame the entire Church or dismiss the Church’s core teachings for what a few did. Scandals like this happen in EVERY church and in every city. That doesn’t make everyone guilty of the crimes of a few, and it does NOT mean that innocent Catholic priests deserve negative treatment today because of it.
source: equippinggodlywomen.com/faith/…
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update: I'm hiding my first two replies to avoid drama. Basically, he's accusing me of being a "fanatic" christian that "needs to reread my dictionary", when I ironically mentioned 0 things bible related and gave him the google definition of fetus:
fe·tus
/ˈfēdəs/
noun
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception
(fun fact, he even denied humans were mammals. how dumb is this guy?)
Don't let uneducated people like him fool you. A fetus has a heartbeat with 3-5 weeks and therefore confirmed ALIVE
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/20…
www.princeton.edu/~prolife/art…
again, he denies pro-life atheists exist, which is completely false and was in denial when I showed him proof
friendlyatheist.patheos.com/20…
www.americamagazine.org/politi…
marchforlife.org/science-shatt…
I also told him many pro-lifers agree that a woman should get an abortion if raped, but again denial and blinded with hate.
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His hatred for Christians is nothing new to me. I witnessed many of their kind go blue in the face when cornered with evidence that goes against their worldview. They cannot substantiate for truth if their worldview has no reason or foundation to stand on.
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Don`t bother. If this DrSGrowth guy doesn`t like Christian stuff then there should be no reason for him to obsess over it and keep coming back to this alexpixel`s page -_-
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Lol. I’m done arguing with you. You have such a painful view that “CHRISTIANS HAVE ALWAYS DONE WRONG AND ARE THE VILLAINS HERE HURR DURR” it’s like you don’t even bother looking at militant atheists doing just as bad in other countries such as communist China. You know, killing Christians and destroying churches. But wait! anything is morally justifiable when it fits your view, right? You’re reading something that isn’t there, you delusional idiot.
You’re so close minded to the point you WANT us to ALWAYS be the bad guy with a bad view. Hm, wasn’t it Christians who
- gave women equal rights
- made the first hospitals and schools
- Gave huge boosts to scientific research
- stopped slavery
go ahead and name a thing atheists have individually done to contribute to western civilization. I’ll wait.
“Worthless evidence” huh? How so? Just because someone or something has a Christian background and it hurt your itty bitty feewings? Oh wait! Some of my sources came from secular/atheist websites. That means atheistic related things must be fake as well ;>
So I leave out the rest and pick what suits me? For what? Says the one not bothering to do fucking research on unborn babies and only thinks about the negative the church has done.
The church’s homophobia is something me and many others do not condone. Except literally the minority of Christians are like that. Do you have a stick up your ass honey?
If you think the church deserves hatred, that’s on you, dear. But to keep it even, so do atheists. You know, the fact that they kill anyone religious in communist areas, disown their children for merely believing, and they too took advantage and promoted rape. For the sole idea of being indoctrinated about religion itself. Like Joseph Stalin hm?
Yeah, let their misinformed butts rebel against the church. What about secular/atheist pro-lifers you continue to deny to exist hm? The fact that you and many others think killing off someone who’s entirely innocent, doesn’t have a voice, and scientifically confirmed alive is seen as a “woman’s right” is fucking disgusting. But again, we do condone abortions only if the mother’s life is in peril, but for convience? Yuck.
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