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Just something funny I thought about drawing. (...it keeps making me want to laugh at him when looking at it) Do you like it, hate it, are somewhere in-between?I had a fanfiction idea awhile ago about Mozenrath kind of accidentally ticking off Mirage with some comment, and she decides to teach him quite a lesson (as well as cut off their deal and put Mozenrath in the trap with Aladdin's group). I got the idea from seeing some genderbent fanfictions in other fandoms (and I think there was also an Aladdin one I'd found), and also thinking about how some people say Mozenrath looks girly. ...I don't really think he does. I think that if he were a girl as is, he'd be an odd-looking one. He's tall, has a big chin, big nose, low voice. He seems kind of masculine to me. But, I kind of liked the idea of thinking about how he might look different if he were a girl.
I also don't like how some gender-bent fanfics work. Why would everyone start making you wear make-up and put on dresses and call you 'she'? Why would your hair unexplainably be longer when switching genders? As far as I know, girls' and boys' hair grows to the same length (which isn't even relevant unless the character hasn't cut their hair in seven years). - Though, in this case, I just thought it would be funny to have Mirage make his hair longer just to make the situation that much worse for him (though, there's also people who think Mozenrath has long hair tucked under his turban somewhere - could be, though I like to think his hair is a similar length to Aladdin's).
I also think Mozenrath seems kind of sexist in the show, seeming to think women are weak, dainty, and all that (like, in every episode that he's around Jasmine. He's all the time making comments, and I kind of doubt he knows any better). If turned into a girl, he'd probably start panicking and thinking he'll get irrational impulses to paint his fingernails.
I probably failed at making him look girlish, though. Let me know if there's something that could be edited to make him look less boyish or something. But, I figured he'd have a smaller chin, a bit smaller nose, wider hips, and probably only be around Aladdin's height (since I think Aladdin's on the short side) as a girl. (but I also tried to keep the shape of his nose and stuff similar, as well as keeping his default angry expression and the little crease that forms between his eyebrows) (His irises and lips are a stylistic thing and not something specifically changed for this pic)
I left the lineart rough (and didn't do much for a bg), but I did fiddle with the coloring quite a bit to match up with the blue bg (or, pre-bg blue sheet) that I had (and I used a few screenshots as reference for the pic - pose-wise, girls'-faces-wise, color-wise, background-wise). ...Sorry about them facing different directions. I had considered drawing them from the sides, but I thought it would be harder to tell what he looks like that way (...and maybe partly because 3/4 view is the easiest to draw). ...I probably made his waist too low. Even though I had moved it up a little already. I had thought about drawing in a rip or straining fabric around his hips, but I wasn't sure how to go about it, and I ended up forgetting.
A few lines about what I thought about being said here:Jasmine: "Mozenrath, it's just an illusion."
Mozenrath: (gestures or grabs excess fabric or something) "You call this an illusion?!"
Aladdin: "I don't know what the big deal is; you kind of looked like a girl already."
Mozenrath: "I did not look like a girl!"
Edit: I gave Aladdin's hair a bit more lift (especially his bangs, which weren't quite right before), and let him have his fez. I also tried to add in the seam/crease line on Mozenrath's pants (and now I have one more thing to laugh at).
Edit 2: Mozenrath's eyes seemed slightly off somehow, so I went through several possible adjustments (make eyes 110% larger, 105% larger, move eyes downward to show more of the lids plus 103% larger, move eyes down and move eyebrows up with more of a downward angle and/or put eyebrows closer together) before deciding on making them slightly larger and slightly more tilted (I think this is 105% and tilted 4°). I also made the straining fabric holes at his hip a little more rounded because I thought it would be more realistic. You probably can't tell the difference about either of these changes. I probably should have tried playing around with the outline for the back of his hair, since it seems like it might be hugging his head too much, but I guess I didn't feel like messing around with it after messing around with his eyes. ...Has anyone noticed that I have his hair drapping over his shoulders like how his turban usually does? I figured that was a neat way of having some compare-contrast stuff going on. It would've been clearer if his hair wasn't the same color as that part of his outfit, though. It would have been funnier if Mirage had changed all the black of his outfit to hot pink. ...link: Not one word
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Another awesome made drawing! 
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I have boobs, you must obey. Sorry couldn't resist.
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Lol! He doesn't get how much better he looks as a lady.
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hehe
definitely not going to help. :P
(note to Aladdin: don't say anything when there's a glove that close to your face)
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"Oww!!!... Okay, guessing it didn't help?"
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He was my childhood basicly. :3
I SO wanted a gauntlet.
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I agree with Aladdin he does normally look like a girl.
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That sounds hilarious!
Mozenrath does make a very good woman, though. ^^
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Haha this sounds hilarious! If you ever do write this, let me know! I'd love to read it
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I think he looked somewhat feminine with certain angles and actions, plus his build is slender which compared to most male characters, is feminine. His lips always bugged me though. It's a lovely drawing, I could easily imagine him exploding at every little thing that regarded his femininity, I'm sure he'd be livid with anyone calling him 'girly' regardless of his at the time gender. It'd be fun to watch, not to deal with.
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This is fantastic. I haven't checked my watch in a while, and I should really go through your gallery. This is great stuff. He does have delicate features for a man, but that's a far-cry from looking like a woman. Besides that, he's young, Men tend to change facially much more drastically than women in the 10-20 years fallowing puberty, and being as he's 21 and male, he's not necessarily done with that yet either.
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thanks. ^_^
hm... Aladdin's head looks a little too narrow now. I think I should've put the back of his head farther back (and Mozenrath's hair should probably be slightly different)
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I love the detail you put in his clothing, the rip looks legit and very convening. If its any consolation to Mozenrath, he is not fat at all.
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Oh sure, you say that, but the evidence is in the rips in his pants. :P
Thanks. ^_^
I did another pic here fav.me/d77a1df that I like more in some ways, but not in others. His eyes and the rip looks better here than in the link, but I think I drew him less stiff-looking in the link. ...I should work on that story idea sometime... Though, I want to work on all of my fic ideas.
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I saw that one too and its great. I really hope you make it into a fanfiction. I know they can be a pain to write but when its finished, there is a feeling you can't describe. Plus the fanfare is always a boost!
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Hahahahaha
love the story behind, indeed, I don't think he looks girly but the idea is wild funny
Great work with the Mozen change
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thanks. ^_^
I should work on that fic idea sometime... But, I have a lot of fic ideas. ^_^"
The pic isn't directly from the fic idea, but just something that came to mind. I pictured Mozenrath being pretty off-balance in the fic from the situation. First he tries to keep Aladdin from finding out, trying to act normal and hide what's happened as best he can, but once his turban falls off and Aladdin is also close enough for a better look, Mozenrath switches to panic and asks Aladdin not to hurt him, even forgeting he still has his gauntlet. Aladdin, coming to the wrong conclusion, asks where Mozenrath is. He admits that he is Mozenrath, to Aladdin's shock. ...I do really like the emotion in the idea. Though... I also like other ideas I've had. Too many ideas to get any of them done. :/ I can't keep my attention on any one.
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Yai, actually this idea is really very great!
Hidding what happened to him, very clever, and then panicking when Aladdin figures out 
Hmmm maybe you could elaborate some kind of mixture from all the ideas... although that may be complex
I'd like to read it
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My fic ideas never seem compatible to me. But, I have thought of what it would be like if I did combine them all. ...it's not pretty. :P But, a lot of the ideas are related in a way. They usually have similar themes, and are kind of like telling the same story in different ways. I feel the turning into a girl idea is most similar to one other idea, because both involve Mozenrath acting... off. Kind of nervous or uneasy, or kind of out of character. They make me wanna go "Awwww, he's so cute like that." Both the ideas also involve Mozenrath being around Aladdin for awhile. Though, those two ideas actually have different themes to them. The girl one is supposed to involve the idea of gender being an illusion, while the other idea... hm... well, I got the idea for the other one from someone else's fic and had wanted to put my own spin on it. It might have more to do with Aladdin learning that there's more to Mozenrath than meets the eye, and is kind of a friendship thing. But they both involve Mozenrath in an embarrassing situation.
I wouldn't think of it being clever for him to try hiding it... hm... It's more like, he doesn't want anyone to know, so he tries to act normal. And it's not that noticeable unless Aladdin gets too close. But, yeah, when Aladdin notices, he falls apart. He's kind of panicky in front of the mirror, too. He has this thought that women are inferior and weak, and he has trouble thinking otherwise, so when he's revealed to look like a girl, he automatically thinks of himself as powerless. Though, he kind of needs to get over the "I'm completely powerless" idea because Aladdin and him have to work together against Mirage.
It's one of the less plotted out ideas I have. I get a kick out of imagining him when it happens, in front of the mirror right afterward, and when Aladdin finds out; but the rest of the idea's more serious and I haven't thought of all the details yet. I have a vague idea of what happens in the fic, but I need to think more about the specifics. I have a little written of the start of the fic, but it needs quite a bit of work to get it where I want it. I'd added way too many details, and the emotion I had truly wanted isn't there. sta.sh/02ev0dy7lr1s
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Trying to hide that he is now a she 
Yeah I know what you mean about the emotions inside a story, I'm in the same place
But sooner or later it will come, hope sooner.
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I can't remember if I've seen this pic before...but it's brilliant! LOL; the expressions on both of their faces are hilarious! Moze is all livid and Al has that spacey lost/confused look on. LOL; LUV it!!!
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Aladdin's like, "What are you getting so upset about? 
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I really like that idea, though. I mean, it's funny. Makes for good story. Lurv it! <3 But, really, he's not "girly" at all to me. I mean, sure, occasionally he'll...appear somewhat like so. And *puts hand on face in utter despair* a couple of my friends (who've never heard or seen him before) thought he was a girl. THAT was sad, really. Just because, as a cartoon, he has longer eyelashes and more distinguishable lips than Aladdin does not make him look like a girl!
Oh well. He'll have his revenge on them soon enough, I'm sure. JK! ;D
And this picture is just so awesome!
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Jasmine might have to slap him around and tell him that girls don't get random impulses to do stuff (so to quit asking to make sure there's no fingernail polish or brooms lying around).
The weird thing is, a lot of times when I'll show my dad a picture I've drawn, he'll mistake boys for girls - but, when I showed my dad a picture I did of Mozenrath for someone's fic where he has long hair in a ponytail, my dad seemed to think it was obvious that he was a boy. (though, I guess it's true that some anime pictures I've done in the past don't have much variance with face shapes)
(I don't really understand Disney's 'let's trace everything' thing. I can see it being okay to trace lips when someone's wearing lipstick, where there's truly a color change, but I don't get the un-uniform picking out of a handful of male characters, when other male characters don't get everything traced. But... I'm getting too used to tracing eyes. I can't figure out a good anime-ish version for Aladdin's eyes, so then I feel I should draw everyone else's eyes similarly. Or maybe I'm just getting used to seeing Disney-esque eyes.)
Hmm... I think my brother has long eyelashes. My mom used to cut his hair in kind of a circular kind of hairdo, like a bowl cut or something, and I thought he looked cute, especially with hair clips in his hair - though, I think I was the only one to put them there. I think there might've been a few times that people would confuse him for a girl, though after he got older, he got too skinny and his face too long to look much like one. That, and he always has a mustache now.
Thanks. ^_^
Aladdin's like, "Whoa. What'd I say?"
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Personally I always felt Mozenrath looked somewhat feminine, but not necessarily like a girl. You have to remember there is a difference between the two. For instance even though I am a woman, I have been accused of looking and behaving masculine at times. While Mozenrath is a man, his personality, gestures, and fashion choices could be considered more feminine by our standard. So it really isn't that far of a leap that some people (myself included) see him as a homosexual character. Granted this is a stereotypical version of homosexuality, but I am simply making the argument.
But to take a character like Moze and make him into a female as oppose to simply looking a little feminine isn't that far of a leap. It even works quite well because of his misogynistic quirk. I've read a fic or two where someone made the case for Mozenrath actually being a woman who cross dressed in order to maintain power and status. Others simply make Moze a girl for a short period of time to have fun humiliating him (always a good time). To me personally both of these feed the concept of a woman as being less than a man or somehow having less power or capability than a man. Mozenrath being gay on the other hand does nothing to lower him, but rather exalts both his masculine and feminine traits as they are.
Beyond that, I really do approve of this picture. If you were trying to make Moze look like a woman you did a bang up job! The facial structure is more soft and traditionally feminine. They eyes are larger and more almond shaped. The hair DEFIANTLY looks more wavy and like a girls. Moze is skinny no matter how you shake it so I'm not sure that would change much just because of a gender switch.
But here comes the real question. Would Mozenrath find Aladdin attractive if he himself was now a woman? And vise versa?
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Well, I think he does kind of feminine-ish motions sometimes. Or at least, different from how Aladdin moves.
His personality and clothes could be considered feminine? Clothes: cape/cloak, fancy turban, shoulderplate thing that makes him look bigger in the shoulders, rich looking stuff. Personality: cool when in control, very planning, bad at improvising, completely unempathetic (though can predict empathetic people's actions), has to be on top (ack, not what I meant). (though, I guess I don't really see personality as being a girl vs boy thing, and I just know that Wal-Mart only sells the good looking clothes to boys and sticks with tight and stretchy stuff for girls)
I think it's possible that some people think of Mozenrath looking girlish because of the dark rings over his eyes and the long-ish eyelashes, though a lot of villains in Aladdin have those things. Hmm... I wonder if the argument could be made that Mozenrath looking down on girls could mean he prefers guys? Or that he's insecure about himself and says stuff about girls being weak to make himself seem stronger? Oh wait, maybe that's what you're saying in the second paragraph?
I picture Mozenrath taking good care of his hair, and he has fancy stuff and all that, but he is kind of prince-like. Like the princes that tried to marry Jasmine, who act weird, but it's just because they're... rich. Though, Mozenrath definitely isn’t that bad. He doesn’t mind getting dirty sometimes, and he doesn’t mind getting into physical fights or looking undignified when angry. I doubt the rich princes would do that. Could be because they were taught better than Mozenrath.
It does sound like an interesting fic idea for him to be a woman but feel the need to act like a man to have stuff. (though, I still think he'd make an ugly woman unless he- er, she does a spell or something to look more like a man - though, there is Queen Hippsodeth, who does have a big chin and thin face, and doesn't look weird (and is probably on the tall side), so perhaps it could be possible)
Hmm... interesting that the fics would feel like they're saying that being a woman is less than being a man. (though, the maintaining power and status thing would be more about the law believing that women are less than a man, and it really should prove otherwise for a woman to pretend to be a man and succeed. Or... since we're talking about Mozenrath... maybe not. Jasmine, on the other hand, would probably work. I've seen some fics about her doing a man's job. Though, I think the Aladdin series itself doesn't have that kind of gender bias in the first place. Or at least not so much in Agrabah.)
A few days ago, I was drawing over some screenshots in Photoshop, tracing over some shapes, and I think the shape of Jasmine’s upper body resembles the shape of Mozenrath’s upper body. ...With how little muscle he has, I wonder how he can match Aladdin so closely when the two of them go hand-to-hand... Though, my brother’s surprised me at times, too. He’s really skinny (and has long eyelashes, though that’s unimportant), but there’s been a time or two that we’d match strengths in some way and he’d be somewhat close to me, despite not having much muscle.
I figured his body would be similar, but overall a bit smaller (like how, despite me and my dad being about the same size as me, his fingers and fingernails are larger than mine, and how my little brother ended up getting taller than me), and I think Mozenrath would have hips (and complain about not only being a girl, but also being a fat girl when seeing that in the mirror - mainly because that’s how I refer to my hips, and I thought a boy might would think of it the same way unless he’s looking at someone else. ...and maybe because I can see Mozenrath complaining about being fat?).
Not sure how much wavier I meant to make his hair. Probably mostly a subconscious thing (and probably partly the angle, since his bangs always does a wave when viewed from that side). I think I made the back of his hair less wavy than I have been making it for him, but gravity does that with hair. There was one point that I looked at the lines and thought, ‘Ack. He looks like me.’ Since I part my hair to the side and it’s curly-ish. But I don’t his hair looks that way now. (I think I’m going to go back and edit the pic to give Aladdin’s hair more lift (and let him have his fez). His hair lifts more than what I had thought. ...I might also try to figure out where the seam/crease lines should be on Mozenrath’s pants.)
Heh. Hmm... I donno. I don’t really think much about attraction and stuff. But, for what I was thinking about as a fic idea, no. Aladdin’s too strongly with Jasmine (despite them acting like best friends), and Mozenrath still sees everyone else as not worthy of his attention (and would be too worried about being nothing but a weak girl to think of much else. Though, I wonder if he’d be afraid of being attracted to Aladdin. But, if he were to be attracted to Aladdin, it could be a hint toward him possibly being gay I think, since I don’t think changing genders changes much, despite what Mozenrath may believe. But, I’m not too against the possibility, since I do think of gender as being more of an illusion, besides a few differences in looks, and I have a little bit of trouble with believing that people can’t fall in some type of love with an individual for who they are and not strictly what they are). But, if Mozenrath isn’t gay, and if he were a woman in the series, I think there probably would’ve been at least a hint of something between her and Aladdin in the series. Perhaps similar to Saleen and Aladdin in the series (though without Saleen’s weirdness) and perhaps a little like the small Mozenrath and Jasmine bit in Two to Tangle (but a girl Mozenrath probably wouldn’t be as demanding, since a girl would seem weird hinting at something that way. - though, perhaps he’d be a masculine acting girl). Hmm... though, I don’t recall there being any hints about Mirage. She tends to be completely against love, which is kind of interesting when other girl villains tend to latch onto Aladdin. She’s not interested in anyone. I guess Mirage is just cool like that. (oh, wouldn’t it be so horrible for her if she turns Mozenrath into a girl and then he falls in love? She’d really hate that. But, she’s kind of the good guy in my idea, so I’m not going to punish her.)
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