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AtheosEmanon — America is not number 1 by-nd

Published: 2012-06-07 16:01:57 +0000 UTC; Views: 23701; Favourites: 349; Downloads: 27
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Description Numbers are up to date as of June 7, 2012 when this was posted ..
[Disclaimer: These words herein are mine and shall only be attributed to me. I am a liberal, a progressive, and a democratic socialist ...yet I do not speak for anyone else other than myself so I ask that my words not be attributed to anyone but me.

With that, I do not expect everyone to agree with this piece [and expect it to ruffle some feathers, especially if they just read the stamp without reading the following piece and then just run with it having only read the stamp]

The numbers below are the most recent at the time of the original Post about the State of these United States of America and I am sure may change at a later time.




While when I say that we are not number 1 based on my views I generally get the usual, you hate America, you should move elsewhere… which makes me think one of my favorite H. L. Mencken quotes

"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who loves his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."--- H.L. Mencken

This stamp came from my seeing two people arguing that their countries are number one and anyone who disagrees were stupid. So they were arguing in circles, and since I am an America, this country is great, but I am of the view no nation is number 1, but if you do believe that, then there are certainly things within our country that should be addressed if you believe that view.


I personally fail to see how saying your country is not number 1 shows a hatred for it, … and the notion that if you love a country, as I do that you should leave it rather than try to change it has been challenged here:
This is America, love it...or change it
atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.”
Charles Darwin

America is a great country, I will never deny that, it has been through a lot in its short 230+ year history, but the idea that we are the “greatest” country in the world… makes me take reservation with such… or rather makes me question the validity of the people saying this.

Would the greatest country in the world have 150,000 people dying each and every year because of a lack of medical coverage?

… up 300% from the early 90s study of 45K Americans dying each year. This is bothersome because as the nation’s population has grown only 34% in this time you would expect a 34-40% increase in deaths to go with the population increase, but instead you have seen a 300% increase in deaths due to a lack of medical coverage.
monthlyreview.org/2003/09/01/t…
www.urban.org/uploadedpdf/4115…
www.pnhp.org/excessdeaths/heal…

now, some states are better at it than others and for that I do commend them
www.americashealthrankings.org…

Yet as a nation, we have 50.7 million Americans as of the 2010 census that have no health insurance at all…
That is 1/6 of our nation that is without health care…
To the optimist they will say, but.. it is great that 5/6 of our country has health insurance!!!

… but to me, the pragmatic realist, that is little comfort to the 50 million people without health insurance… it is little comfort to the sick to say those people have insurance and you do not; just as it is little comfort to the starving to point to someone with food.

To harp or rather step on the last sentence of the previous sentence, this week America learned some horrifying news, that America is now second in Child poverty rates, following only Romania, in developed countries… is this a mere blemish on our greatness that in such a rich nation we are second of all developed countries in child poverty rates? I say to you it is more than a mere blemish it is a great disgrace of the ages, because in our modern politics, any ounce of help has been marked as collectivist communism!!!
voices.yahoo.com/unicef-us-has… www.unicef.org/socialpolicy/in… www.upi.com/Top_News/World-New… www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05… www.communitychange.org/page/s…

With 50 million Americans currently living below the poverty rates, can we truly claim greatness, as previously stated, to the optimist they will harp on 5/6 not being in poverty, but that is little comfort to those in poverty.

www.census.gov/newsroom/releas… thinkprogress.org/economy/2011… www.nationofchange.org/50-mill… www.marketplace.org/topics/wea…

come on, surely we can do better than this, when did apathy become a governing strategy? When did compromise become an impossible position in our nation’s politics? When did the distasteful thing of greed become something to be modeled after?

… now on to how we treat our veterans.
As someone who comes from a large military family I feel it would be a disservice if I did not discuss this.

We also learned from Army Times a military newspaper
www.armytimes.com/news/2010/04…

That 18 soldiers commit suicide each and every day, what we also found out from DOD papers is that it can take months from when a soldier requests mental help, to when they actually do it. Really? They make that bold step to admit they need help… and you tell them that they must wait for months and this, is the nation I am supposed to grant greatness to the title of best in the world?

Like poverty, and the uninsured, and more importantly like soldiers.. to have people who have fought for this country now dying in greater numbers by their own hands than on the battlefield is a disgrace.

We can surely do better than this but as with all things… they have become so partisan that things that used to be a quick five minute SURE yes vote … now takes hours, days and weeks and then gets filibustered and generally does not pass because of that dumb fuck 60 vote rule which was not the intention of the filibuster to be used on every single bill. FOR THE RECORD: I am not speaking of just Republicans, it seems whichever party is in the minority calls it because they know they do not have a majority so trying to raise the bar from 51… to 60 makes it that much more harder… and the people wait…and wait… and wait hoping that their representatives represent their interest when in reality, with few exceptions on both sides, they are beholden to special interest groups who can give the most money…

.. now to hop onto my next subject of issue..
Prisons, .. America now houses more of its citizens than any country on earth, America spends more on its prisons than it does on its schools.

In California we learned that they spend nearly 50K per year per inmate … vs just around 9000 on each student in the public school system. … nationally America spends around 40K per inmate, and around 10K per year, per student [which is gathered when you look at the census of kids of school ages, then add federal and state spending on education and divided by kids of school ages…]

This is a great tragedy that what we spend on four Public school students per year… is equal to what we spend on ONE inmate on average per year [sadly and before anyone says my state spends this, this is an average, it takes what all states spend and then averages it out, so yes, the average will be higher than some smaller states]

We can reform our drug laws to decriminalize certain drugs, though I am for legalization of marijuana and decriminalization of all other drugs. Because as discussed in several pieces in my gallery, decriminalization, rather than sending someone to prison where they will more than likely still have access to their drug of choice it sends them to a drug treatment center which many studies have shown it costs less and has a higher success rate than prison..

But on the prison front, we should implement as many states have GED programs, trade classes etc because also many states have shown us that when you have these programs the recidivism rate goes down greatly. Many studies have shown us that if you get your GED in prison you are a lot less likely to return, if you pick up a trade in prison through a job program you almost never return to prison … and yet these programs are being cut why?

Not because they do not work, but because they claim it is not in the budget which experts says that is a lie because if these programs cut down recidivism rates, then they are in actuality saving you money… but the real reason is prison owners, … if you have less people coming to prison that is less money in their pockets which is why you have them donating millions of dollars to both sides of the isle to keep certain things illegal or to make penalties a bit stiffer.

Now I will discuss gay rights,
Would the greatest country in the world allow the rights of minority to be placed under the oppression of a majority vote? We tried this before… it failed. What if we allowed the rights of blacks to be voted on state by state… I would guess that half of the states would have not allowed desegregation, would not have allowed interracial marriage .. and gay rights are civil rights .


Finally I will discuss education,
When America invested heavily in education, as far as per student and overall, you saw lower cases of poverty, you saw less people on governmental programs, you saw the American job market booming, you saw a strong middle class,… as we cut education more and more you see rises in poverty, you see more people dependent on government programs, you see the jobs being shipped at faster rates overseas because of the cheap labor and inability of our force to do the jobs..

I am sure I will get the but we spend more on education which for the unenlightened person will go yeah but yea… um, OF COURSE we spend more on education than we did 20 years ago, there are about 20 million new students going to school so of course you will see an increase in spending.

Charter schools: While many are proponents of charter schools I am not.
Why are charter schools so good? BECAUSE they are doing what experts have been telling public schools to do for decades:
Small Class sizes, a wider array of subjects..

But whenever we., people ask state/federal funds to renovate every school to try and allow for smaller class sizes .. it has to be put up to a congressional vote and with politics since the 80s being so stagnated and partisan nothing gets done.

I personally am of the view that no nation is number 1, because we will have to look at individual things to see which nation does this or that better. Yet if a nation wishes to call it else the number 1 nation in the world, yet lacks or falls behind many nations on the social and economic front of its people then I am unsure how a nation can earnestly state such. Every nation or all people within nations like to say MY COUNTRY IS THE GREATEST, okay but by what measure of greatness are they measuring by? I say again, America is a great country, no one, or rather I do not discount that and its ability or the possibility at which it can be better - but I am just not one of the view of AMERICA NUMBER ONE!!!! .. because there are great social and economic issues at which this country must address before I ascribe it to that, but others, as with all things will have their view.

Everyone will have their view on this, that is fine by me. It is no skin off my back if someone wants to go around running WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!!!! NUMBER ONE!!! Have at it, I am just asking how can we address things within our society, at which we have the ability to change but seemingly, either because our politicians do not want to, or the people have not been risen to care enough about this or that subject to try and change it. That is what I focus on to be honest, I have been around this beautiful world a number of times, so I just focus on what is ailing a society, and how best can we fix it and address that issue without the constant what I call "International dick swinging contests".

So, in closing, America has the ability to be the greatest country in the world if that is one's aim., I believe we do have the ability to address the issues within our society, and the means to do so but until we set aside the partisan bickering, the special interest, the secret political donations etc… then we will only go down a further and further road of what we have now…


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Random Quotes writing this made me think of:
"It is only by setting out on just principles that men are trained to be just to each other; and it will always be found, that when the rich protect the rights of the poor, the poor will protect the property of the rich."
-Thomas Paine

“'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.”
-Thomas Paine

“I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.”
-Thomas Paine

"If you want to make enemies, try to change something."
-Woodrow Wilson

"Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort."
-Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Our American values are not luxuries but necessities—not the salt in our bread, but the bread itself. Our common vision of a free and just society is our greatest source of cohesion at home and strength abroad—greater than the bounty of our material blessings."
-Jimmy Carter

"Recognizing and confronting our history is important. Transcending our history is essential. We are not limited by what we have done, or what we have left undone. We are limited only by what we are willing to do."
-George W. Bush

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.
-James Garfield

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
-Abraham Lincoln

"One man with courage is a majority."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Above all, tell the truth."
-Grover Cleveland

"I offer nothing more than simple facts, plain arguments, and common sense."
-Thomas Paine
[My favorite founding father and one of the most underappreciated founders]

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Credits and Additions:
Songs listened to while typing
Check out my hippie playlist atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Collection of Artists: We are the world: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzDCBg…

Yusuf Islam: Peace Train: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlHOV5…
^^one of my favorite songs… probably listen to it too much…

Bernice Johnson Reagon: Ella’s song: www.bernicejohnsonreagon.com/ number 7 on the playlist
Tracy Chapman: Talking about a revolution: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZbvi…
Nina Simone: I wish I knew how it would feel to be free: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TarrS…

Lyle Lovett : If I had a boat: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtHYzc…
^^Don’t ask me why this song, since I saw “The Interpreter” and Sean Penn kept playing it this song stays stuck in my head now..

While I am an atheist, this is my favorite “Christmas” song:
Stevie Wonder: Someday at Christmas: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ1-du…


Other pieces to check out:
Anti-American Me: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Not fiscally conservative, fiscally pragmatic atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
My political ideologies: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Liberals and gun ownership: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Why socialism? atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Pure socialism vs democratic socialism atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…


Gay Rights:
Gay rights in America I: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Gay rights in America II: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Debate with an “ex gay” Christian convert: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Gay is the New Black. my opinion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Influence map: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
An atheist on theism & atheism: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Declaration of truth: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
What it means to be an atheist: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Atheist leftist answers your questions...:
atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
An atheist debates an atheist on theism: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Check my gallery for other pieces.

As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon

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Comments: 1102

WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to ??? [2016-01-05 06:56:43 +0000 UTC]

Thanks For Support.... In Reality America Is Coward Cunt Who Cover Behind UN And NATO Bitches

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Shernod9704 In reply to WIKIPEDIAUSER [2016-01-05 10:19:39 +0000 UTC]

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Shernod9704 [2016-01-07 01:36:55 +0000 UTC]

One Word:UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS LADYBOY!!!!!

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Shernod9704 In reply to WIKIPEDIAUSER [2016-01-07 01:45:21 +0000 UTC]

Ok?

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Shernod9704 [2016-01-07 02:24:33 +0000 UTC]

You Didnt Feel Offended???

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Shernod9704 In reply to WIKIPEDIAUSER [2016-01-07 02:39:23 +0000 UTC]

About what?

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Shernod9704 [2016-01-09 02:31:25 +0000 UTC]

About Me  Insulting your Country....

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Shernod9704 In reply to WIKIPEDIAUSER [2016-01-09 04:01:38 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I forgot what just happen. I'm sorry.

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Shernod9704 [2016-01-14 02:56:50 +0000 UTC]

I must be stupid
Must be crazy
Must be out of my mind
To say the kind of things I said In Past

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Exclamation-point001 In reply to ??? [2015-11-15 11:34:59 +0000 UTC]

We are the world police and have more military vehicles than the rest of the world combined. We also have the most equipped soldiers.

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Exclamation-point001 [2015-11-15 11:53:03 +0000 UTC]

Yup Your Country Are Stronger In Military...

But Your Country Are Lack Of humanity and Common Sense.

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Exclamation-point001 In reply to WIKIPEDIAUSER [2015-11-15 12:05:10 +0000 UTC]

uh...explain pls (I'm sure you're right, I just want some clarification)  

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Exclamation-point001 [2015-11-15 15:53:58 +0000 UTC]

Well Sorry For My Hastiness..

Let Me Explain Some Of My Point:

You Said Your Country Have A Stronger Military Power, Yeah For Intimidating Other Nations while you Cannot Handle A Terrorist In Your Soil. Remember 9/11???? How Could NORAD Cannot Detect A Large Ass Big plane That About To Crash To Your Capitalism Symbol "World trade Center"?????

And you Said Your Country Are world Police But Why Did You didin't stop Palestine-Israel Conflict Or any Other World Conflict Around The World??? YOU HAVE A POWER TO DO IT ALL!!!! YOU HAVE NATO DOGS!!!!!!! BUT HOW COULD YOU CAN'T STOP THEM ALL????? Rather Than Deploy your Troops Into Innocent Middle East Country.....

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to Exclamation-point001 [2015-11-15 11:53:02 +0000 UTC]

Hidden by Commenter

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Exclamation-point001 In reply to WIKIPEDIAUSER [2015-11-15 12:05:20 +0000 UTC]

sort of in the moment

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AtheosEmanon In reply to ??? [2015-07-22 03:22:32 +0000 UTC]

I think it would be what they mean by strong.. on the global stage America does wield a great deal of power, partially because of its military and its finances.. now, internally.. and when comparing it to other nations, we are not as strong perhaps as we could be in education, health care and things of that nature

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WIKIPEDIAUSER In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-07-22 04:55:53 +0000 UTC]

true that

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Drawing-Stars-02 In reply to ??? [2015-07-08 06:40:17 +0000 UTC]

Ethnocentrism needs to die.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Drawing-Stars-02 [2015-07-08 13:57:57 +0000 UTC]

and extreme nationalism

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Drawing-Stars-02 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-07-10 00:41:40 +0000 UTC]

EXACTLY! No one country is better than another, that's how the Cold War started  When will we ever learn? Damn politics. 

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Drawing-Stars-02 [2015-07-10 22:35:40 +0000 UTC]

Well I would agree that no people in general are better.. I would disagree that no country is better. While china is beautiful and I have been several times, I do not find their style of government, nor the lackluster rights of its citizens and labor camps etc .. to be appealing in the least .. but America is no beacon of perfection either with the largest prison population on earth.

Well I do not blame politics, politics is a core point in any civil society .... I blame the individuals at which make up a society

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Drawing-Stars-02 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-07-13 07:45:46 +0000 UTC]

That's a good point. And that point brings out my anti-human. XD Why can't we just be nice to each other? Why can't we have nice things? Right, because people are bias (including myself). ... And very opinionated. That's why I brought up politics, though. It was the first thing that came to mind when I think about how trashy the human race can be.  Like, I think it's great that we have order, and I appreciate it, but like all good things people tend to ruin it. So that's why I brought it up.

Though I believe there are good people in the world, they are still people. Guess that means I hate flaws? I desire perfection? I hate myself as a human, but only because it's so, so pathetic how we take things to the extreme because of our feelings. And I'm a victim of it. Because I'm human.

Sorry for this... Block of... Vent?? I don't know, I just feel strongly about human-righteousness. And this conversation got me fired up! (And it helps me think about both sides of the coin. Helps to put it into words for when I talk to adults in person about it. Hehe!)

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Drawing-Stars-02 [2015-07-13 15:07:43 +0000 UTC]

Humans are greedy and as such their nations tend to be greedy.. China is trying to challenge America as the world's only superpower, America being the world's only current "superpower" which speaks to military strength, dollar value worldwide, and political power.. China is growing its military year by year and trying to get a hold of the economic market of Africa.

Politics is beautiful, it is wonderful but it in of itself is a concept, until humans choose to follow it in this or that manner.  In America, an ever perfect strive for a "more perfect union" is a good thing.. we did it first with allowing women to own property, we then freed the slaves, we then allowed women to vote, we then allowed blacks full voting access and access to public institutions, we recently got more towards that more perfect union when the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage nationally

Well seeking perfection I would imagine would always leave you disappointed... humans are enjoyable because we have our flaws.

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Drawing-Stars-02 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-07-20 09:11:44 +0000 UTC]

This helped me to see that it's not the things that I should hate, but the way human beings handle such things. 

And I hate the human race even more.

Thanks!

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Drawing-Stars-02 [2015-07-20 14:31:49 +0000 UTC]

lmao, well I did not mean to say you should hate the human race but yes, politics alone is just an idea until human minds and hands put it into action

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Commander-Dominic In reply to ??? [2015-05-07 19:18:42 +0000 UTC]

I'm American and I agree no country is number one, and no country is perfect.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Commander-Dominic [2015-05-08 04:21:10 +0000 UTC]

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fuckshiru In reply to ??? [2015-03-28 19:36:46 +0000 UTC]

My only problem with criticising America is that every time someone does it, a bunch of Brits, Aussies, and Swedes come in with "AMERICA SUX!!! SWEDEN/BRITAN/AUSTRAILIA is #1".

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FireFlyExposed In reply to fuckshiru [2015-12-21 21:08:50 +0000 UTC]

If it makes you feel any better ... I'm not from any of those countries and I am not a fan of America, it's attitude or it's agreesive nature (people are different, talking more on the political/freedons/religious/irreligious blah blah blah)

I also think my own country sucks.

I read a statistic saying that America is one of the most hated nations ... along with the French.

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fuckshiru In reply to FireFlyExposed [2015-12-22 19:33:27 +0000 UTC]

You know what? With all the crazy libitards in America they are the reason why American isn't the best.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to fuckshiru [2015-03-30 13:43:22 +0000 UTC]

Thus far, that has not been my experience. Generally when I discuss the issues in America with friends, relatives and just general people I meet online and off from those countries we debate particular topic and compare and contrast how each does it and which one appeals to be working best.

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fuckshiru In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-03-30 23:15:41 +0000 UTC]

A few months ago I watched The Amazing Atheist criticism of America. In the comments, there were Brits and Europeans in the section seeing it as a green light to say that they're number 1. Despite the fact that he recent posts have been critcising the UK.
Now, are there countries better than America? Yes. Canada, Scandinavia (Except for Sweden and Finland because the rabid Muslim invasion and there are predictions that they will become 3rd World Countries.) But thats about it.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to fuckshiru [2015-03-31 00:43:57 +0000 UTC]

I am familiar with the individual but I admit it has been years since I have watched one of his videos.

I find that many of these kind of WE ARE NUMBER 1 comments are often trolls looking to rile people up.. Such as a youtube channel I watch often is "the young turks" and most of the comments are filled with telling the hosts they hate America.. they should leave it... blah blah  I do not pay much attention to youtube comments.

For me it is a point by point basis, saying a country is generally "better" I would take it case by case to what exactly is being discussed. In health care, yes the countries you name do quite well. In education, they also do quite well.

...  I doubt this "rabid Muslim invasion" will turn Finland into a 3rd world country,. I am not prone to hyperbole. Finland certainly has some economic issues with its debt, its trade issues, etc.. I do not see the Muslims as being the great cause of their economic issues. It would seem an easy scapegoat to BLAME THE MUSLIMS.. when looking at several decades of their economy this could have been predicted. looking at market trends  of the country.

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Jolbucley In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-04-08 05:01:54 +0000 UTC]

Just for the record, I don’t see any way that the comment asserted a causal relationship between the so-called “rabid Muslim invasion” and the “predictions that [Sweden and Finland] will become 3rd World Countries.”  I see the word “and” in between, which I rather think implies in this context that these two events are not causally linked.  Also, when you say that “[g]enerally when [you] discuss the issues in America with friends, relatives and just general people [you] meet online and off from those countries [you] debate particular topic and compare and contrast how each does it and which one appeals to be working best,” I must say I envy you your intelligent and civilized company and your ability to have reasoned discourse with people in general.

I probably shouldn’t interfere in this discussion, which is altogether fascinating, but I am something of an obsessive-compulsive meddler.  Cue hate mail (perhaps from people who were watching this exchange for entertainment).

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Jolbucley [2015-04-08 15:59:34 +0000 UTC]

I more so took umbrage at the general assertion of the connection. If you look at the past decade of Scandinavian Nations their economy has been moving at a slower pace than the  Finland and Sweden Nations and yet the connection that somehow two countries with better economies than another countries mentioned  will somehow become third world countries is absurd.

 

Per the rabid Muslim invasion, I asked him to prove his charge, As stated in my reply to him, Muslims are 1% of Finland, they are around 5% of Sweden, I asked him directly in the subsequent comments which are the “rabid Muslim invasion” .. invasion generally implies to come from one place to another, whereas these countries surely have some immigration but much of their Muslim population are birthed there over the last generations …. OF which thus far I have not gotten a reply to such and perhaps I will at a later date by him.

 

I live in New York City, as you might imagine there are always people from around the world here, especially protesting this or that down by the United Nations. I enjoy engaging with people in general – if they have an opinion where I differ, I like to know why and seek to understand their position better.

I doubt anyone will send you "hate mail" it has been 6 days since the last comment and I am unsure if the individual I was having the exchange with is even viewing this any long... time will of course tell.

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Jolbucley In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-04-09 02:18:16 +0000 UTC]

Well, that’s disappointing.  Hate mail is usually interesting.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Jolbucley [2015-04-09 15:15:49 +0000 UTC]

lmao, well who knows they may surprise you

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fuckshiru In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-03-31 12:26:33 +0000 UTC]

No ones using Muslims as a scapegoat. They are literally throwing riots and burning flags, especially in Sweden. See my friends post: 345rv5.deviantart.com/art/Swed…

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AtheosEmanon In reply to fuckshiru [2015-03-31 15:41:51 +0000 UTC]

Muslims are 1% of Finland and 5% of Sweden, the notion that their presence or as you said "Except for Sweden and Finland because the rabid Muslim invasion and there are predictions that they will become 3rd World Countries."


I saw the post, it changed nothing of the issues those countries are facing on an economical point in conjunction with your claim of rabid Muslims and them becoming a third world country which is pure hyperbolic nonsense.

Is utter nonsense, sir. Finland and Sweden as do many nations in Europe are going through an overall economic issues but none that would signify either of them becoming 3rd world countries and certainly not for its Islamic inhabitants. I am not prone to hyperbole, sir, I leave that others. I address the facts as they are and where they are. does Finland and Sweden have some radical strains of Muslims, sure... but compared to the Muslim population as a whole in these countries these radicals are a statistical minority.. and I am not one, as I said, sir, to utilize hyperbole and overcompensation with mass generalization because the real argument perhaps will be more complex .. but blaming this group would make it easier I suppose than simply addressing their debt and trade issues.

Of the nearly 500,000 Muslims in Sweden, sir, what percent or number do you believe are radicalized to the point as to your friend's post? Of the around 60,000 Muslims in Finland.. what percent or number are radicalized to the point to drag them to becoming a third world country? That was your claim, sir, was it not? that with the exception of "Sweden and Finland because the rabid Muslim invasion and there are predictions that they will become 3rd World Countries."

You are entitled to your view of course.

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fuckshiru In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-03-31 21:10:48 +0000 UTC]

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I simply said that there are predictions that Sweden and Finland will become 3rd World Countries. Not only that, but you have no sources for any of your claims. As a matter of fact, you contradicted yourself at the end by saying that there are 50,000-60,000 Muslims in Finland.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to fuckshiru [2015-03-31 23:44:17 +0000 UTC]

There are predictions, from other bullshit sources that often makes moronic predictions of the OH NOES MUSLIMS!!!!! .. it is moronic, I am not prone to hyperbole and I leave it out of my premises..

There were predictions that by the end of Obama's first term all guns would be banned, he would have declared himself King and you and I would be in a FEMA camp... I suppose those predictions are about as right as Finland and Sweden becoming third world countries because of "rabid Muslims.

What claim did I make?  I spoke only of the population of Muslims in those countries.. then I asked you what percent of those Muslims do you believe to be radicalized.
www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/20…
^^ From the Official US state department website which has Sweden's Muslim population .. at around 500K which is what I said
"Approximately 5 percent (450,000-500,000) of the population is Muslim, although the officially sanctioned Muslim Council of Sweden, for government funding purposes, reported only 106,327 active participants."

That is the only official government report I found and as such that is the number I utilized since Sweden does not on their wesbite speak of such. so I used my government's estimate from a few years ago..

www.infopankki.fi/en/informati…
Official Finland website says
"Tens of thousands of Muslims live in Finland. "

www.usnews.com/news/world/arti…
states "There are an estimated 50,000 to 60,000 Muslims in Finland, which has an overall population of 5.5 million."


As far as my other claims, you can simply google or I can link you to the official yearly budgets for Sweden, Finland and some other countries so you can see yourself the economic issues that they face...


"As a matter of fact, you contradicted yourself at the end by saying that there are 50,000-60,000 Muslims in Finland."
How is that a "contradiction? To contradict myself I would have had to say something and then say something totally the opposite.

In connection with Finland I said ..
1 - "Muslims are 1% of Finland"
2  - "Of the around 60,000 Muslims in Finland."

How is it a contradiction?

Finland's population as of 2014 was 5.5 million people.. as of 2014.. 1% of 5.5M people is 55,000 ... thus how is it a contradiction to say that there are around 60,000 Muslims in Finland? .. is not 55K when estimating up around 60K ?

Where is the contradiction, sir?

You made the claim that I contradicted myself when I said .... there were around 50-60K Muslims in Finland... I said there were around 60K .. but okay

to contradict myself I would have to first have said something the opposite earlier on.. I did not.so where was the contradiction?
Is it possible that I mixed up Sweden and Finland when writing, sure.. I do not see such a mix-up in my comment for you to claim there is a contradiction so please sir, in your reply... quote both of my text in which there is a contradiction in what I have said... anything less would, with great respect make your contradiction claim rather not credible.



PLEASE SIR, in your reply quote my so called contradicted text .. you made the claim that I contradicted myself.. I reread my last comment and see no contradictions of the claims I made which spoke of the population of Sweden and Finland as a whole and the part of their populations that are Muslim.



I await the quoted text, sir... As I said, it is fully possible that I mixed up Sweden when I meant to say Finland... but I am not seeing it or perhaps I am overlooking it.

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fuckshiru In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-04-01 20:39:02 +0000 UTC]

Fucking hell. No one is scapegoating any Muslims here. No one is using any hypobole. I said that there's a radical Muslim invasion in Sweden and Finland and you're putting words in my mouth for the sake of an argument. I said theyre rioting and burning the Swedish flag. Also, you know where you condracticted yourself at so I shouldn't have to explain

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AtheosEmanon In reply to fuckshiru [2015-04-01 23:10:45 +0000 UTC]

I merely asked for evidence of a claim of someone you posted, about these nations perhaps becoming third world nations because of an fundamentalist Muslim population... but no facts offered to back such a claim up.. thus how can I take such serious when no evidence to prove the claim is offered.. notice, sir, showing me that some radicalized Muslims have committed crimes as per the piece you linked me to is not evidence of these countries becoming third world which was what I asked for.

People riot and burn the American flag quite often, we have not yet slipped to third world status but okay ...leaving that aside ...

... so basically, you cannot quote the text at which I contradicted myself. I reviewed my previous comment and saw no contradiction. But if you wish not to prove your claim, then I admit I am unsure what more is there to discuss.

You made a claim of my contradiction, I asked that you quote the text of my opposing claims on the same issue to show a contradiction. I did not say you were wrong, I in fact said perhaps I may have said Finland or Sweden when I meant to say the other.. but if you wish not to prove a claim that you have made.. to which the burden of proof falls upon you. Then I see nothing more to gained from furthering a discussion at which claims can be made on a whim and the one making said claims refuses to substantiate them.

Now, perhaps sir, you are correct, perhaps I misspoke above about something which completely contradicted another statement made, and if so I will surely correct it once it is pointed out, but since you seem to be unwilling to substantiate a claim that you may be correct in, I wish you a good day, or night..or whatever time it happens to be when you check such. I will of course reply to any messages at which I receive in response to this reply - when I happen to see it, of course.

Good day, sir.

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BiBitheLucario In reply to ??? [2015-03-21 03:32:41 +0000 UTC]

No country is the best with no flaws but saying one is, is arrogant

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AtheosEmanon In reply to BiBitheLucario [2015-03-21 14:23:19 +0000 UTC]

I agree in principle, surely a country can rank best at this or that  - but none is the best at every thing.

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BiBitheLucario In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-03-21 20:29:55 +0000 UTC]

Yeah

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AtheosEmanon In reply to BiBitheLucario [2015-03-22 03:00:48 +0000 UTC]

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BiBitheLucario In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-03-22 03:02:45 +0000 UTC]

👍

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AlphaMoxley95 In reply to ??? [2015-03-19 23:52:19 +0000 UTC]

Long story short, i love America, but hate its government and hate all the bigotry and racism and liars that goes along with it.

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Exclamation-point001 In reply to AlphaMoxley95 [2015-11-15 11:35:38 +0000 UTC]

That was the past and we are working to stop it

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