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This took me so long!It started out as a completely different drawing - one with Camicazi - but I didn't like her expression, so I re-drew it. And then I realized she should have been looking sad for a different matter...and then I kept doodling and doodling until I had a string of line-arts on my hands. Thus, the comicky thing was born.
A HUGE thanks goes out to and who both went out of their ways to help me figure out how to make all my little line-art/sketchy illustrations into a readable comic-like format. Hopefully thier efforts paid off and the idea behind this comic
So who can tell what's going on here? I'll say it's the general future for CtL AND canon...until the next movie comes out. Yep, this a movie-canon scenario. One that isn't wildly unbelievable or anything more believable than most stuff in the fandom, you nut jobs. There's respect for Hooligan and Bog cultures alike, necessary and less-necessary political decisions, and, of course, the unexpected sting that comes with seeing through plans.
All this happy/sad drama/angst is completely out of my element, but it's the challenge that makes this story so interesting to write.
P.s. ... I drew STORMFLY! WooOOOoooOOOoo!
That last panel is probably one of the most important but I just can't like it enough. There's something wonky with the arms that I think takes a lot of power away from it.
Let me know if anything seriously needs to be changed.The lineart for that top picture is here.
Hiccup, Astrid, Gothi © Dreamworks
Camicazi and Stormfly © Cressida Cowell
WIC © Bog Burglars?
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Here is my 3d version: acorntree144.deviantart.com/ar…
Thank you!
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Could I make a 3d version of this "Comic" with my Camicazi model?
Of cause I would credit your work.
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I'm usually not one for book/movie crosses, but after seeing your HiCami art, I think I might just go read your fic. It all makes me want to cry, it's so beautiful and bittersweet. This one together with "Hello, Goodbye" reminds me of some song lyrics
"Sometimes I wake up by he door,
That heart you caught must be waiting for you
Even now that we're already over,
I can't help myself from looking for you
I set fire to the rain
and I threw us into the flames
Then I felt something die
'Cause I knew that it was the last time..."
Adele - Set Fire to the Rain
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Oh that would be lovely if you did! I love using the books to fill in the movie gaps; it's such a perfect world filler. Plus, Camicazi is to fantastic of a character to box out. But I really wanted a story out there that didn't involve Camicazi being used to cat fight Astrid. -_-
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Do I need to have read the books to understand your fics, because I haven't read them and I can't find them in any book store where I live. I have read enough about the books to understand a little bit, like I know who the Bog Berglers are and who Cami and BBB are.
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Oh goodness no; that shouldn't be a requirement.
I know you can find the first four or so books on audio on youtube: www.youtube.com/user/Becquerel…
The rest I had to order online XD
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Thanks lots. OMG, I have about five fanfics on my "To Read" list now. Yours has been bumped up to #2 after I finish "the Dragon Whisperer" by If you haven't read that, it's amazing, as well as the illustrations that go with each chapter. This woman is my idol.
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Oh I know her well! I do think she's a great rider, but I've fallen out of fanfiction and have gotten very picky about it. XD I do know it though and have skimmed a couple parts. I read through the first chapter of her RoB re-write and enjoyed it
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I caught WhatsInAName99 's mention of me up there, and seriously this is so weird. Because I completely look up to AvannaK in terms of writing. She's incredible and my stuff's just beginner's work compared to hers. Anyway, yeah, I read part of Hitchups and a lot of her short pieces and they're just spectacular.
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Haha, I just read what I wrote… I must have been drunk… unless I know how great of a rider you are XD. Gosh, sometimes I really need spell check
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The Bog Burglar culture bothers me. Maybe it's because as a dude, I'm wary of a culture that considers me extraneous and unnecessary.
I know that the Bogs don't hate men, but what is their attitude exactly?
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Aww, so you wouldn't like a society that takes your gender for granted, disrespects you for your gender,and generally puts you at a disadvantage? Hmm, I wonder what that would be like.
The Bog culture is wonderful to me. I'm not saying it's better than our patriarchal society, but it's an awesome new spin on things. They regard men for exactly what they are functionally, as well as acknowledge they're the weaker gender of their species. 
As for Bog Burglar attitudes and their culture in general… well, it's something I've been asked about quite a bit and I've compiled a few explanations on certain aspects:
Class system in Bog Culture
Male Births
Sex in Bog Culture
Enjoy!
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Ouch. Ouch, ouch, ouch. Searing sarcasm is one of your more deadly abilities, and it is a fearsome thing to be the focus of it. 
I would prefer to avoid a too-involved discussion on genders, as I've seen some nasty dukeouts on Tumblr. Honestly, I don't like any society that places one gender above the other in significance, value, or importance. Obviously a matriarchal one would be more personally unsettling to me, but historically and in places modernly I don't like the imbalance. Correct me if I'm wrong, and it's quite possible that I am, weren't Vikings relatively equal? I mean the impression I always got was "If you can lift an axe, welcome to the fight." Is that accurate?
Early leaders of the Bogs practiced infanticide? Oh, lord...
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Haha, just whipping people with reality. It's what I do best. 
The Bogs aren't any more cold about sex than men are pigs about it. Of course there's love and passion and desire. Unlike the monogamous practices in a patriarchal society, the Bogs are more inclined to polyandry. There's something really healthy I find about their sexual teachings. How they keep girls in the know about it, how they teach them not to romanticize is more than it should be (because that's how they get taken advantage of), and they really stress female unity to keep them safe and united in the world they live in. I mean, just look at Hiccup and Camicazi! That wasn't loveless sex 
Yes, the Viking were more equal than the cultures surrounding them. They were still patriarchal for the most part, but yes women could fight as shield maidens, yes they got more rights than other medieval societies--particularly involving marriage, divorce (at least it was an option!) and household power, and yes, tasks were all around more accepting in terms of usefulness than gender roles. They didn't have the same views of equality like we're striving for today where there are no questions asked, but the world certainly had to make up some grounds they lost in terms of equality when the Vikings bred out.
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I don't understand something here, you seem to have equated monogamy exclusive with patriarchy. Couldn't a matriarchal society still have a monogamous attitude towards sexuality? Forgive me if I sound ignorant. I guess that the Bog's viewing men as a means to an end just doesn't sit right with me, as it would if the roles were reversed. As per your description, I'm somewhat confused now as to the nature of Camicazi and Hiccup's relationship in CtL. Were they in love as normally defined, or was it simply their friendship combined with attraction and base passion?
Actually, now that I think about it, didn't you say that a Bog's partner enters into the relationship with full knowledge of its fleeting nature?
I assure you that I am indeed a high-functioning, if sometimes hormonal, human being. I am capable of debating and pondering life's philosophies, but also annoyingly capable of being distracted by an attractive woman. It gets old.
I'd like your honest opinion. Do I come off as being intelligent in these debates? Even if we share some differences in opinions, I'd like to think that I'm not just another "I'm right, you're not" person floating around the interwebs.
Azulon24
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Oh it absolutely could! I'm just saying, the patriarchal society of their time is monogamous, and the Bogs are both matriarchal and polygamous. It's because they aim exclusively as an all-female tribe that their ways have rooted out that whole 'partner for life' while, overtime, turning their breeding/heir-creating into a practice of finding the best sire. They are in it for choice more than status. As I said in my Bog analyses, it is allowed to leave the Bogs and settle down. They just try to dissuade that kind of thinking to keep their tribe strong.
How do you normally define love? I wouldn't say Hiccup and Camicazi were "in" love, but the loved each other. They probably loved each other in deeper ways than most married couples of their time do. There was friendship, deep understanding, attraction, curiosity, base-passion, sure that was all there. But love isn't something that should be considered in-or-out.
Yes, you do come off as being intelligent. 
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After pondering a little, I believe that I would define the Bog society as pragmatic. I have one more question, do the Bogs see themselves as superior to males, or do they simply choose to not associate with them on a regular basis?
How do I define love? Honestly, I don't know. I've never experienced love in a romantic fashion, so all I have to go on is secondhand accounts and depictions. I suppose I define, for lack of a better term, true love, along the lines that you've defined, but with an addendum, that you would want to stay with that person come hell or high water. I speak in general referring to the Bog culture, not Camicazi specifically. Would she have stayed with Hiccup if possible, or was she too much of a Burglar? Let me pose the same question to you: what do you define as love?
I think the discussion-on-Tumblr thing is an example of once-bitten-twice-shy. It seems that a lot of the less tolerant people of the internet come home to roost there, and they tend to think in terms of absolutes, as I'm sure you've noticed.
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Oh they are definitely pragmatic. At least, they started that way, but like all cultures some things develop over time to have a more traditional or philosophical reasoning behind it, rather than straight up practicality. Some Bogs really do run with female empowerment and find themselves superior to men. I don't know if you've read the HTTYD books, but Camicazi represents them well enough whenever she compliments Hiccup with a "Not bad… for a boy". So their general taking with men is parallel to who most males subconsciously view women.
Now I certainly don't believe in One True Love but I do believe in Great love. I believe you can find someone you can and will spend the rest of your life with--not just one person, but you could find many people who you love like that. I believe you can love someone unconditionally, risk everything for them, and then ten years later have it fade. There is no "everyone has a mate". Humans aren't like that. We can love one person in our life or we can love a dozen. You can't pick which is a stronger love or how they're different.
Camicazi is difficult to understand, because asking a question of whether she *would* stay with Hiccup is like asking whether you would spend the rest of your life never working if you could. Why bother to tease yourself with it if it could never be an option? How could you answer a question that you'd never get to experience properly to know? She loved Hiccup, but they were both far too involved not just in their respective cultures, but in their respective titles. They were lucky to have the time they did together.
Ha! Well, I don't know about once-bitten-twice-shy. It helped me understand the mentality of tumblr, but I'm sure as hell not going to cater to that oversensitive nonsense. I continue to give my opinions on whatever I want. I don't shy away from confrontation.
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Definitely don't cater to the non-offensives of Tumblr. I've heard it said that if one tries to not anger anyone just ends up pissing everybody off.
I understand what you're saying about no One True Love, and completely agree. It's just that I have a hard time comprehending the mindset, as I have never been in love like that. I guess I understand the concept, but not the feeling.
It's funny, regarding the question about Camicazi. As soon as I pressed send I remembered the answer provided in the fanfic itself. I've only read up to Book 2, so no Camicazi yet. I liked Alvin in the books, although Crowell couldn't have painted a bigger "I'm the villain" sign on him. "Poor-But-Honest-Farmer?" Yeah, subtlety, thy name isn't Alvin.
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This seriously breaks my heart
I like Astrid X Hiccup but now all I want is for Hiccup and Camicazi to get back together!
*Rolls into ball on the floor sobbing*
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Just one question, even though Hiccup already knows she's pregnant he's not going to have anything to do with the baby? He's just going to let Camicazi raise it?
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Well, this plays a lot into the Bog Burglar culture. They do not want the 'donors' heavily involved with their heirs, if at all. I have a couple tumblr posts analyzing this: [link] and [link]
Now Hiccup would want to have some involvement with his child's life, which is another reason why choosing to have a child by a Bog Burglar was difficult for him. He cares for Camicazi too much to deny her. (He does get involved with Alivia's life though; Camicazi isn't just going to cut him off like her tribe would prefer)
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Hiccup is marrying Astrid, and they’re both happy.
Camicazi is pregnant. And she’s sad. But also happy. Because she got what she wanted. She just didn’t think she’d get so emotionally attached.
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Who camicazl I didn't see her in the movie
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She’s from the books! She’s basically every sort of amazing
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The How to Train your Dragon books? The ones the movie was inspired by? There’s about ten out now.
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Yes and what are the names of the book
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Ok, correct me if I'm wrong...Astrid and Hiccup are getting married, Camacazi is watching on in agony, because she is pregnant with Hiccup's baby and she still loves him, right?
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Yes. Well, Hiccup and Camicazi both love each other in a deep, personal way, but they're both too involved with their clans (Camicazi in particular, she would never get married) and Hiccup does love Astrid in a less-secure but more romantic way. Cami and Hiccup both knew whatever they had started would have to end once they both were to take up the responsibilities of their clans, and they were fine with it, but letting him go to Astrid hurt her heart more than she anticipated.
It's all written out in Crossing the Line if you're interested in reading it.
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Thanks 
{whispers} I'm not a fanfic kindof person, but I stay up late at night looking at these pictures and occasionally read a couple chapters. I love them, like, a lot.
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Hahaha! Really? I'm not much of a fanfic person myself... only in the very beginning of my love for a fandom will I scour for good stories. Then I get quickly disillusioned.
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It's true! When I see a fanfic that really sucks, I'm like 
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Ooh, yeah, Percy Jackson is a fandom I'm very new to, so I'm still able to find some really good one-shots and what-not (no epic length fics so far though 
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