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Azerik92 β€” Golden Steel Array

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Description This time around, I think I've done a better job. If I did it correctly, this circle should be able to take Iron, Platinum and Brass, making a Steel-like alloy, with a light yellow hue to it, that will not rust. Significantly smaller amounts of Platinum and Brass would be in the mix, the main part of the alloy containing purified and forged Iron. The circle should also allow the Alchemist to manipulate the shape of the alloy during the transmutation, so one could make a blade, or an ornament, or whatever.
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ScraNo [2013-10-02 10:52:41 +0000 UTC]

Platinum is an Uranian (see Bode) metal, so you can never be sure about the outcome - the Joker (tarot fool), the wild card.


Brass = Zinc (Uranus)+Copper(Venus) would certainly weaken the mix, bronce (Tin+Copper) as being Venusian and Jupiterian be beneficial and as golden as you like.


Astrological correspondency is basic for Alchemical Transmutations - so timing your array by planetary hour and day would be necessary too.


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Azerik92 In reply to ScraNo [2013-10-22 05:51:29 +0000 UTC]

Astrology is only one form of symbolism you can use, and the actual alignment of planetary bodies has nothing whatsoever to do with practical Alchemy as a modern science-based art form, and very little to do with the traditional uses of Alchemy. Alchemists were just chemists, the commonly viewed "transmutation circle" was just a method of hiding their work from prying eyes. This is the basis on which the art form is founded, the symbols are in fact arbitrary; they mean what you wish them to mean, its a philosophical exercise as well as a scientific one. Common religious or astrological symbols from various cultures are often used, because their meanings can be skewed to the Alchemists advantage. Alignment of planetary bodies is not so much a requirement, as it is another symbol, showing you how your ingredients would be arranged, or patterned if you are using common astrological symbols like this array uses, but once again, not necessary, as your chosen symbology method may not rely on that. Astral bodies and planets and their positions don't have any effect on a chemistry reaction, and there is absolutely no reason the pseudo-science these arrays have come to represent would be bound to rules that involved the movements of far off things who's symbols are only being used to symbolize what materials are being worked with. Β 


As for the metals, as stated in the description, iron is the primary ingredient. The actual ration would be about 80% iron, 15% platinum, and 5% brass.

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ScraNo In reply to Azerik92 [2013-10-22 06:39:04 +0000 UTC]

Part of alchemy is based on mining and smelting of ore and refining of the result, but this is only a small part, it was also about finding Panacea, and as stated in VITRIOL, a tradition of self improving towards a spiritual goal.
Oh, and see as I#m a real chemist and a physicist (as stated in both of my masters degree diploma from the 1990s) I can tell you, that the reaction doesn#t make sense in metallurgical way.
You would get some kind of steel, if there would form an eutectical phase for an alloy. 5% brass is problematic, because brass is an alloy in itself, which isn#t standardised in its components, zinc and copper. It varies a lot.
The whole thing would be only interesting in the symbolic, HERMETIC way, on which alchemy is based in its ways to view the workings of the cosmos.
Hermeticism is always based on astrological and mathematical (pythagorean) correspondences. Even cabbalistic numerology was merged into it (during the renaissance).

As above, so below. It has certainly never been considered, that any REAL physical interaction would take place between chemical reactions and planetary forces of whatever kind.
The planets are used for timing, as the were used in the past as calendary indicators. And it was always an archetypal, mythological meaning in them, a contextual not a causal influence.
This was also discussed between Jung and Wolfgang Pauli (the physicist), on which basis they developed the concept of Synchronicity.
The symbols carry codes for planets, their hermetic correspondences and principles, in which also REAL chemical properties were coded.
That makes it problematic to decipher old alchemical texts, as no normative standards for the meanings existed and if, they were changed during the long time alchemy exists (counted from hellenistic Alexandria as point of origin).
There were certainly alchemical traditions in China and India, the latter based on the Mogul era.

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Azerik92 In reply to ScraNo [2013-10-28 05:56:09 +0000 UTC]

As I've already stated, none of my work is bound by the same rules as traditional Alchemy, it's a visual art based on the same roots. And you clearly agree with my opinion that symbols are arbitrary, as you've said, many cultures and religions have traditions with root in the idea of Alchemy, symbolism is at the creator's discretion for all intents and purposes. What you write about spiritual self improvement is one of many interpretations of Alchemy, and seeing as the actual practice is non-functioning, it hardly makes a difference which interpretation you choose to use in your art or literature.

I'm fairly certain that to be recognized as a chemist or physicist you would need a PhD in both fields not a Masters Degree, but I'm a tradesman so far be it from me to tell you different, but I fail to see how your educational degrees have any relevance. I've never stated anywhere that this circle is a perfect representation of what its supposed to achieve, its for a fictional practice, and as per a my program and time limitations, it is very minimal in its content.Β 


Your second paragraph is mostly restating what I've already said in greater detail, and only affirms my basic statement of symbolism is arbitrary. With so many sources available, the modern person is free to pick and choose what symbols they could use, and seeing as the idea behind these arrays is metaphysical in their intention, rules are easily bent for artistic license in both the visual arts, and literature.


I am by no means a scientist, and nowhere have I ever claimed to be, so you're really looking at the wrong person to debate scientific theory with.

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ScraNo In reply to Azerik92 [2013-10-28 06:19:13 +0000 UTC]

As you really need to know, a masters degree is in Germany absolutely sufficient for a scientific career. It is very different from what is named like that in USA or UK. It is a true Magister Artium in the classical sense. A Phd is only necessary for those who do never aquire professional experience, but stay at university or want to teach only.
For an academic career you need a certain number of publications, nothing else.

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Azerik92 In reply to ScraNo [2013-10-29 23:36:55 +0000 UTC]

I'm not from the United States, or the UK, so I wouldn't know how they do things, all I can tell you is that in Canada, you need more than a masters degree to be considered any sort of scientific authority, and Β quite honestly, it makes more sense to have the people who essentially inform the entire population on what is currently known about the universe to have a higher education than an engineer.

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ScraNo In reply to Azerik92 [2013-10-30 19:44:42 +0000 UTC]

I am a physicist and Chemist Not an Engineer
I work in reserch for 25 years now
I teach also Advanced math to Said Engineers
I think your Academic System is Not to be compared with ours.
I looked it up
Your Master degree is no Way like a Magister Artium
It. Is like our Fachhochschule and Not like a degree from University

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Azerik92 In reply to ScraNo [2013-11-09 21:19:10 +0000 UTC]

I didn't say you were an Engineer, and I told you already I have no idea what the educational degrees are in Germany or anywhere outside Canada. Anyway, this conversation is over, its not going anywhere, you just seem to be having fun flaunting, so goodbye.

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JxL60 [2010-07-22 17:23:50 +0000 UTC]

Where do you get the symbols anyway?

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Azerik92 In reply to JxL60 [2010-07-22 18:49:15 +0000 UTC]

a cool little site called Iridius [link]

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JxL60 In reply to JxL60 [2010-07-22 17:42:35 +0000 UTC]

Never mind that

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Baltean [2010-07-06 21:13:43 +0000 UTC]

The rune-like symbolss instantly caught my eye, but the fact that its alchemy intrigues me as well.

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Azerik92 In reply to Baltean [2010-07-07 05:26:19 +0000 UTC]

In that case, you should check this group out: [link]

I've only been a member for a short time, but its fun, and a great way to exercise your mind. There's a bunch of tutorials in the group gallery if you wanna try some yourself.

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Baltean In reply to Azerik92 [2010-07-11 00:52:05 +0000 UTC]

Nah, I'll pass. Alchemy isn't much my thing...

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Azerik92 In reply to Baltean [2010-07-11 01:25:02 +0000 UTC]

Shame, it can be really fun even as a side thing though...good luck with your stuff though

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Baltean In reply to Azerik92 [2010-07-11 01:35:02 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, sorry. Thanks.

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Azerik92 In reply to Baltean [2010-07-11 01:36:11 +0000 UTC]

No worries bro.

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Baltean In reply to Azerik92 [2010-07-12 15:58:51 +0000 UTC]

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Notshurly [2010-06-30 04:23:17 +0000 UTC]

This one was very well done! And you did do it correctly. Job well done. You have potential, my friend.

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Azerik92 In reply to Notshurly [2010-06-30 04:28:18 +0000 UTC]

Really? Success XD I did this one fast than the other one too, I was supposed to be watching K-ON while my friend played Team Fortress 2 on my Xbox, but I got hit in the face with inspiration

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Notshurly In reply to Azerik92 [2010-06-30 13:38:38 +0000 UTC]

OUCH!!! What form did inspiration come in for you? Its always in the form of pointy metal objects for me...

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Azerik92 In reply to Notshurly [2010-06-30 21:50:38 +0000 UTC]

Sane . My throwing knife I bought a month ago being specific. My friend hit me in the face with the sheath of it (for not watching K-ON) and the I took the blade out and thought "wouldn't it be awesome if this was golden".

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Notshurly In reply to Azerik92 [2010-07-01 02:19:34 +0000 UTC]

It would be neat, but to malleable. If it had gold coating, that would be epic.

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Azerik92 In reply to Notshurly [2010-07-01 03:53:49 +0000 UTC]

The Array specifies a signifigantly smaller amount of Brass and Platinum. It would be about 80% Iron, which would be good enough I should think.

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Notshurly In reply to Azerik92 [2010-07-01 04:04:29 +0000 UTC]

Hey, it looks like got, and its perty. I fear it!

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Azerik92 In reply to Notshurly [2010-07-01 04:09:28 +0000 UTC]

Yes, fear my golden steel.

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Notshurly In reply to Azerik92 [2010-07-01 14:18:37 +0000 UTC]

... fearing......

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