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Finally! Something I've been wanting to get done for a while, but haven't figured out how to do it…until now!
You ever hear the countless messages and campaigns by feminists and activists that emphasize and hammer in how horrible it is to objectify someone?
Well, unless you've had your head in the sand for the past few decades, of course you have!
But have you ever stopped to think about how overgeneralized and downright absurd it is?
As social and interactive beings, we objectify non-stop, both consciously and unconsciously. This is common sense. From the basic actions like reading, writing, speaking, playing, to even more complex actions such as dancing, driving, gaming, everything we do is in some way a form of objectification.
Some people like to be catcalled, others not. Some like to be spoken to, and some just want to listen. Some want public attention, and some want privacy. Some want to be fantasized about sexually, and others don't want to be thought of that way.
So as long as it’s not disrespectful, unwelcome, or against required permission, there is absolutely nothing wrong with objectification of any kind.
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Agreed. And in my personal opinion objectification isn't wrong in the slightest. That's what deviantart is for, right?
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merely finding people attractive is not objectification.
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Of course not, and I never said otherwise.
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No feminist has said that either.
By the way, here's something from a male ED-survivor: avatar-dacia.tumblr.com/post/1…
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He's right that men and women are objectified differently, but I strongly disagree that it's worse for women.
But that long horseshit post by eggz1st is a great example of mental gymnastics to try and make it look worse for women than men.
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Who, he/she didn't say that much. Do you mean Claudiaboleyn?
How is what she said mental gymnastics?
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No, I meant eggz1st, the second last response there.
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Is it "Louder for the people in the back"?
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No, the lengthy essay below that.
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Can you explain how it is mental gymnastics?
I think most of it is pretty true,
especially the part where he/she says that
women are expected to be attractive at all times,
even when dead or tortured.
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It's working off of the premise that objectification of women is reducing them to eye candy and the male gaze, whereas objectification of men allows their personality define them, which is a blatant double standard.
If objectification means one thing to another gender, then it must mean the same to another.
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No, the premise is that men, attractive or not, are almost never objects in the scenarios.
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That's logically impossible. If women are objects in the scenarios, then replacing them with men has to produce the exact same result. To claim otherwise makes no rational sense.
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Your argument is kinda...Missing the point?
Are men usually reduced to just eye candy, fridged for the sake of the plot,
or expected to always be attractive?
Are there any movie scenes where a male character has to look sexy even when being tortured?
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How often it does of does not happen is completely irrelevant. No, it may not usually happen as much as women, but it does happen at times.
The important thing is if it happens in the same way.
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some people WANT to be objectified!
Why stop them?
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Objectification can be attractive to most people, but the feminazis need to take their social justice complaints and not try to intimidate others into changing their ways. To me, sex isn't a bad thing, but feminazis demonize sex. To me, I like a hot guy like any other girl would, but if a woman is objectified, they lose their minds. To me, it's a two way street. As long as it's not disrespectful, or done without consent it should be okay and not complained about.
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I agree completely!
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that's just my opinion on it.
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I couldn't agree with this more.
You know what else makes me sick? LABELING people. To label someone is to strip them of their humanity and reduce them to a mere object.
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That's a very good point!
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Hmm...
If male characters are more well dressed and protected, and are treated as a person, while women are more revealed and less protected as sexual objects (rather than person), then what do you think? I'm just curious.
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men can be objectified too.
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Yeah. If they're mostly objectified, most guy gamers would complain that it's too "gay" and creepy. lol
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I'll tell you what I think - I think male characters should be less dressed more often, to balance things out!
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Yeah. That'd be nice! Something like this: finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Wo…
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Yeah! Anything in the classic He-Man vein would work.
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Who says objectified sexy women aren't treated or respected as human beings? A man or woman who has a part of them that's valued as being a sex object can still be respected, especially if it's a part of them that they're very proud of.
It all depends on how the person being objectified feels.
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For some reason I asked a question because how I saw pretty common in the mainstream media. For one explain... There was an article that most guy gamers were so freaked out about Final Fantasy's new male character being sexualized and they hated it. They demand game developers to change his fashion design. Which the developers did... but (I think) a few weeks before that article nobody complaint about Lighting's breasts were increased up to DD Cup or a new female character's ridiculous oversexualized clothes in Final Fantasy 15.
That's kinda how I saw and still pretty often when it comes to female characters whether they are in books, movies, or games. But I realize that you probably don't see that way or never have seen it before, so I'll go with "disagree to agree" option.
Thank you for your candor.
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I thought all objectification was bad?
Of course thats not to say all sexuality is bad. sexuality and objectification are two different things.
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Yes, nearly all objectification is bad. Ironically, that includes the type of objectification this artist supports. Instead of checking out his bias journal, you might rather enjoy reading my debate with the artist located only a few comments above yours.
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As I stated in our discussion, objectification CAN be bad. Not always. And if I was biased, I wouldn't have acknowledged that fact.
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First, why are we returning to this after it was buried months ago? Are you bitter about losing a debate? Angry you're hypocritical as you still support your idea of objectification though the overwhelming amount of evidence shows it to be unhealthy? Second, you were (and still are) biased in that the only 'research' you presented on objectification being good came from people who enjoyed objectification. Not once did you provide a source that looked at both sides of the argument (people who enjoy objectification versus people who do not) and come to the conclusion many a researcher has: Objectification is unhealthy. Do you really wish to engage in this again? The facts have not changed, mind you.
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First, because you decided to comment on my piece and it didn't show up in my notifications, hence the delayed response. Second, because you're pushing your assumption on others that I'M the biased one when you're the one that refuses to accept my personal experiences and ethnographic research with objectification as valid because of confirmation bias. The irony here is rather amusing.
And nobody "won" or "lost" a debate. We simply have different views and opinions on the subject matter. You can't have a "winning" or "losing" opinion, especially when it comes to complex subject matters such as this. And you might want to look up the word "hypocrite" before throwing that word around, because you're not using it properly here.
If I was biased, I would be doing the exact same thing that you're doing right now, which is refusing to accept other possibilities. I never once said that objectification CAN'T be bad. In fact, I acknowledged that it can be multiple times. I don't know how many different ways I can say it in order for it to get through to you.
And you're right, I didn't provide a source that looks at objectification in a negative way. But again, I at least acknowledged that it's very possible, instead of coming to a staggering overgeneralization like what you're doing right now by saying "objectification is unhealthy". The worst part of it is that you're stating it like it's the one and only truth, which is absurd.
There's no clear answer here. Even I admitted in my journal that my position is entirely subjective. Caroline Heldman's presentation on "The Sexy Lie" isn't "right" or "wrong". It's just one side, and an incomplete one at that.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. If you have a differing opinion, take it somewhere else instead of hijacking my comments section and try to circle jerk your beliefs.
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Good grief. You lost this debate months ago. Either learn to let it go and accept your own hypocritical views or accept the evidence that states objectification is unhealthy. I won't take the time to dig this up from the grave and go around in circles with you again.
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Nobody won and nobody lost. None of us are definitively right, nor definitively wrong. Get over yourself. And look up words before you start throwing them around.
Good. I'm sick of this discussion as well.
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The only person who should get over themselves is the one who dug up a months-dead debate only to get sick of it in about two comments. Either come back with valid sources or leave it in the ground.
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OR, better idea, you can take this elsewhere instead of hijacking my comments section.
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If you don't want your comment section 'hijacked', maybe you should try posting your views to a private group rather than a public website.
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Just like how I said you should take your views somewhere else. Works both ways.
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Except you're the one who has the issue with me publicly displaying my opinion, not vice versa. I'm giving you a solution to this problem. If you don't wish to take it, then don't complain. Or do complain. It's your choice to continue wasting your time on something you're supposedly so sick of.
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That's the problem. It's A solution, not THE solution, as you've been trying to hammer in. And it's your choice as well if you wish to keep going around in circles, as we're never going to come to an agreement. So I don't know why you're bothering to continue this discussion.
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