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This Chart is officially one year old. So I will no longer be replying to comments on it, There should be plenty in the number it has already to entertain you, thank you so much for looking!Drawn in 2007 I feel it is time to retire the Female Body Type Chart.
And pass the torch to an updated reference! So I bring to you The Female Body Type Chart Version 2.0! A chart that has been a long time coming.
Disclaimer: this is not a drawing tutorial! If you are looking for ways to improve on your drawing style or anatomy please consult a professional this chart is just to get those creative juices in your brain flowing.
A lot of people ask me “Oh Candy why do you make these charts?” Well, the original is the most faved and the most viewed thing in my gallery and being here for 7 years that says a lot. It says that people are hungry for diversity! And being less than impressed with the so called “size diversity” charts that are currently floating around I decided to make my own! I don’t claim any kind of anatomical correctness with this chart; I would hope that would be obvious with the ill-defined hands, feet and heads. But I know if I don’t mention it now someone will go “people don’t look like that! Go back to art school!” Because it happened on the last chart. Or worse someone is going to complain about my comments on this picture because they got offended at something I said.
Can we skip all that this time around? I’m really not in the mood for a game of Miss the Point. it’s a chart about body type diversity not every girl looks the same, I can't possibly include every body type there is, I’m making a male one as we speak just take it for what it’s worth to you or don’t take it at all.
Average – neither fat nor thin, according to the LA times the average woman is a size 14 in US sizes. She’s not fat and she’s not skinny she’s somewhere in-between.
Fat – yea that’s right! I called that bitch fat. I’m not going to call her “fluffy” or “husky” or “curvy” or any churched up version of the word Fat. It’s a word we need to stop being afraid of! FAT!...fat is not a swear word, it’s not an insult, it doesn’t equal ugly…Fat is a descriptive physical characteristic and nothing more. She knows she’s fat and and she owns it .
Athletic – the Athletic type is another in-betweenie. She’s not muscle bound but she is far from frail. Think lean muscle, like Tennis players, swimmers and female boxers. This types most striking features are slight muscle definition. Enough to be seen but not enough to overwhelm.
Buff – THIS is our Muscle-bound lady the girl hits the GYM but that does not make her any less feminine, as a rule of thumb with my ladies is that their shoulders should never be wider than their hips, this lady is the exception to the rule since extra muscle adds mass and creates the illusion of wide shoulders. Think female body builders, wrestlers and super heroines.
Boteroesque – one of my more controversial ladies, named after Fernando Botero who made a name for himself painting not just big people REALLY big people. This is the biggest person of size I have ever drawn and I’m not going to lie to you guys, it was a lot of guesswork there are virtually NO tutorials on how to draw large figures and the 2 that I did find? Were of men…so she may not be 100% accurate but I REALLY wanted to include on the chart someone who was over 250 pounds, so I aimed for 400.
“Kate Moss” – My other controversial lady, but sadly she’s one we see way more often than the above…I know everyone probably wondering “why didn’t you just name her the Anorexic type Candy!?” because not everyone who is this thin starves themselves to be that way. And whether I like it or not this is a valid character body type. I know that a great deal of them are people who deny themselves food to be like celebrities like Kate Moss but some are like Lizzie Velasquez whatever her reasons are for looking this way this body type is here to stay and can be used as a plot device just like any of the other types.
Petite –a very lithe frame and a low body fat percentage gives this type a slim streamline look with small but perky breasts and the bottom of the rib cage just barely visible, I advise against adding more rib definition than that as it seems to raise a lot of eye brows about your characters eating habits.
Pear Shaped – a.k.a “child bearing hips” it’s like the average type and the petite type had a baby! And the weight from average went right to petites hips and thighs! And there’s no shame in it! The pear shape is quite common in women which is a good thing too because she’s going to need those hips if she aspires to be a mommy some day! Good thing too since women with wider hips have smarter babies , the pear shape is a very misunderstood type since for some bizarre reason most women are under some sort of delusion that if they have wide hips they are fat…when fat is related to fat and hip width is related to skeletal structure…I’ll never understand women, I should a been born a man.
Hour Glass – a shape that made Jessica Rabbit a star and Ralph Bakshi famous! With an iddy biddy waist, a large bust and a butt to match the hour glass is the most easily recognizable womanly shape, perfect for those sex kitten arch types.
Sex Toy – the sex toy is unfortunately a common character type ( note: not a women type. a character type) more often than not drawn by men who have never seen or been with a women or by women who have quite possibly the lowest self esteem imaginable. This type happens when you make the petite super insecure to that she goes and gets breast implants because that is about the only real explanation for why such a thin framed figured would have such large breasts. It’s not realistic but we see it a lot.
Pudgy / Chubby/ Some Extra Baggage – you’ll debate among yourselves and probably with me whether this body type is “fat” or not. Especially in a world where a size 0-2 is what a lot of women aspire to be and where if she was model she would be considered “plus size” (fun fact: plus size modeling starts at size 4 GOD what a bunch of Fatties!) But the truth is she’s just a lazy version of the average type.
this is just how I draw different body types and at the end of the day I hope that you can apply these ideas to how you draw.
This is only the tip of the ice berg when it comes to different body shapes and sizes! But I hope it has opened your mind a little bit to a world of possibilities! That all these types exist and they can all be beautiful! Whether or not they are all “healthy” is not up for debate. Since not all Original characters are healthy nor are all people healthy but unless anyone is making a series with a cast of fitness instructors how healthy a cartoon character is shouldn’t enter into it. BUT for the nay sayers ANYWAYS who a think that “healthy” only comes in one size, need I remind you that Olympic Athletes are the peak of physical condition that is it possible to have and even they come in many shapes & sizes .
TL;DR: Humans come in all shapes and sizes, shouldn’t the character we make come in different packages too? Every size can be beautiful but no size is more beautiful then the one that you are
mix and match to find new types!There’s more tutorials on body type diversity in my club, ’s Gallery! I hope you all like the chart and I hope it helps anyone whose looking on expand their horizons and draw outside the box!
thanks for reading! if your looking for a more technically accurate representation *ghostarin was kind enough to do this wonderful red line at my request! please see here.
the chart will be updated at some point but this will do for now.
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If you’re interested in some of my other pieces on character diversity and types please see
The Male Body Type Chart Coming Soon!
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Really, compared to your one piece of art that has no comments, and little views.
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-_- This has to be a joke...
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My sister is pear shaped. We'd tease her about being able to shoot out a kid with her hips ("you'll be in labor like, for 10 minutes, the FWOOM!"). The life proved ironic, for her kid was born C-section!!
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Is it wrong to say...your average seems a little pudgy to me?...
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it's not "wrong"... just kinda sad.
The average woman is often looked at by society as pudgey because we're so used to seeing under weight women shoved in our face and in our media like magazines, TV, ETC that we forget what real life women look like.
Just keep in mind that the average model weighs about %20 less than the average woman.
here's a few quick facts about women, weight and how they're viewed by society at large.
Why is Size Zero a thing?
How Plus size Models are viewed.
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The reason the average model weighs about 20% less than the average woman is because the average woman is overweight.
That number was way different 20 years ago. The average woman 20 years ago weighed 142 pounds, while women today average in at 160.
Heck, the average American woman weighs as much as the average American man from the 1960s. (www.washingtonpost.com/news/wo… ).
Both of those videos are misleading and incorrect. Dieting isn't unhealthy in the least bit if you're not doing some stupid quick fix. Counting calories is a completely normal and healthy thing to do. I've been doing it since I was underweight for a large part of my life and I'm now up 20 pounds after a year.
Also, if you want to know what is considered fat, check a bmi chart. They are accurate for literally everyone but bodybuilders.
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This is totally the kinda shit I wanna read / reply to on my birthday.
Since this appears to be the ONLY comment you've EVER made in your 6 months on DA and your username is Fapover9000. I'm more inclined to believe this is more so a troll statement and not really an opening to engage in civil conversation so I'm choosing not to dignify you with my usual well thought out reply, I hope you understand.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of my day.
but JSYK the BMI chart is junk science and has been debunked by numerous institutions and the Washington post is not a medical journal nor is it a credible reference.
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I made this account to see adult content, hence the joke name. I don't think I read like a troll at all, after a quick reread.
This is not a troll account, and I took a decent amount of time to give you at least some substantiated claims.
You tell me the BMI chart is junk (despite its continued usage in scientific and medical fields), and yet you rely on that youtube personality who acts like morbidly obese people aren't unhealthy.
It's sad you wont acknowledge my legitimate claims and just jump to parroting the critiques of BMI which is largely limited to small articles (written by less credible people than those from the Washington post) and people on tumblr.
I can't find a single critique of the BMI scale on ebscohost, but instead I get a ton of articles and journals referencing BMI when discussing topics such as obesity. Certainly there must be some validity there, right? It's pretty effective for screening, and I'm pretty sure you'd be able to assume someone with a BMI of 40 as obese (meanwhile Munster has a BMI of 47 and is considered class III obese, which is extremely unhealthy).
Here's some better links
www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defi…
www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-p…
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/en…
EDIT: I reread how you state the Washington post isn't reliable, but all of that paper centered around the CDC. I can assure you the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is a credible source.
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I've been stalked, by more than on individual over the course of 6 years. I do not trust accounts whose ONLY activity is speaking to me. That is a big ass red flag my friend. If you have nothing to hide I don't understand why you wouldn't just contact me on your regular account like a normal person who wants to have a serious conversation.
However, since you seem to be interested in having a somewhat civil discussion. I'll indulge you for the moment. But don't expect me to take you too seriously. (Spoiler alert: I'm not going to take you at all seriously)
The YouTube personality (Joy Nash) is not a medical expert; I don't recall claiming she was (or anyone claiming she was). However she IS an expert on how fat people are wrongfully treated- being a fat person who has experienced this treatment first hand.
Who the hell is Munster and am I supposed to care?
I DO find it interesting that you took the time to read my description enough to watch my videos. But not enough to read this.
"This Chart is officially one year old. So I will no longer be replying to comments on it, There should be plenty in the number it has already to entertain you, thank you so much for looking!"
Which is basically a polite way of saying "it's been 4 years. I'm fucking done with this topic, leave me the hell alone already" and STILL contacted me. So since you seem to have no respect for my personal boundaries or my requests to be left alone, why should I respect that you took the time to write this out?
Because I'm going to be real honest with you friend, I'm kinda over it. My life should not be CONSTANTLY having to defend the simple statement that "fat people in media deserve positive representation" because fat people are real people with real feelings whose thoughts and opinions matter.
I'm not interested in reading your links because I've read 'em all before and again- I'm over it. INSTEAD I'm going to take this conversation in a different direction. Let’s pretend that healthy fat people don't exist, that's not even remotely true but let’s pretend you're correct for the sake of argument that you're right, a high BMI is BAD and fat people are all unhealthy, no exceptions.
Now that we live in this made up fantasy world where weight and health are correlated.
I have to ask you... Am I supposed to care about an individual’s personal health level in order to care about them being represented in media?
The answer is I DON'T. Any and every individual’s personal health level is and always will be their personal business. Fat people’s bodies are not public property that is open for critique. You seem to care oh so much about their physical health but have you ever stopped to consider their mental health? No?...Gee I wonder why THAT is.
Fat people’s representation in the media is a JOKE which is how they are often portrayed, as they butt of jokes, the villains, gross and undesirable or some lovely combination of the above. This is a trend in ALL media but I have a video that discuss it in video games if you are curious. And if you are as well read as you claim I should not have to tell you that representation in the media is very important for the emotional well being of those who consume it.
Now, Remember we live in this fantasy world were all fat people are instantly unhealthy so what do you want to do about it? Exclude them? Bully them about their weight so that they feel bad and change their wicked ways so that everyone falls within the very narrow definition of what a "healthy" weight looks like? We could do that, but guess what? It doesn't work because fat shaming makes people fatter.
Now that we have covered all that I have some questions for YOU.
Do you ONLY go around to deviants and leave these kind of pseudo intellectual bull shit comments on their art work who think we should have fat people in media because you're trying to save the children from some epidemic of becoming fatties (or whatever the hell you're afraid of I have no idea what it is) OR do you ALSO leave these types of comments on art work featuring drugs, alcohol, weed and promote the pro-mia life style? Because those are also unhealthy life styles but you seem to be just targeting me.
And WHILE we're on the topic of public health I have another question. Since you are OH SO concerned about the public being perfectly “healthy" what do we do will all the cancer patients? The terminally ill? The chronically disabled? The permanently diseased? What do we do with them? They CAN'T be healthy no matter how much weight they lose (even though they should because let’s be honest fat people shouldn't exist AMIRIGHT LOL!) I'm not even gonna ask about the mentally ill because you don't seem to give two shits about THAT so I'm going to exclude them from my example entirely and just stick to the profoundly physically ill.
I would really love to hear your thoughts, particularly on my last question since your statement seems to be demanding perfect health. I'm assuming it applies to the entire population and not JUST fat people because that would be bigoted and wrong and you're not one of THOSE people...right? That would be absurd.
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I only have this account.
This Munster person is that plus sized model referenced in one of those youtube videos (by laci green/ mtv braless). I mentioned it because she tries the same "not all fat people are unhealthy" argument, while most are, especially someone with morbid obesity (which she hinted otherwise).
Fat people get plenty positive representation in real life. The only negative things I hear about it on the news are how it's a health crisis, but I digress. Seeing a 115 lbs model in a magazine doesn't constitute negative representation, just like seeing some ripped dude with a six pack isn't a negative representation of me.
"Let’s pretend that healthy fat people don't exist"
-Let's pretend healthy smokers don't exist. See how logical that sounds? It doesn't change the fact that the lifestyle is largely unhealthy, and advocating for it is only worsening a social health issue.
"Now, Remember we live in this fantasy world were all fat people are instantly unhealthy so what do you want to do about it? Exclude them? Bully them about their weight so that they feel bad and change their wicked ways so that everyone falls within the very narrow definition of what a "healthy" weight looks like?"
-I don't know why you have to fall back on the "not all are unhealthy" bit. Most are, and if not currently, will develop health complications as a result of their obesity. That said, I never once touched on being a dick to people for being fat. You clearly see me as some terrible person, but I'd never harass another person for their appearance. I used to get that for being short and skinny in high school. The true way to fix this issue is proper education on the subject. Not that many people understand what proper diet and nutrition involves. The people I've seen who fail at dieting do some crazy convoluted diet that a news article talked about like "don't eat any gluten" when all they really needed to do was count their calories.
Also, the definition of a healthy weight isn't narrow by any means. A normal, healthy weight has like 30 lbs of leeway or more. If you're 5'5" (115 to 150) and if you're 5'10" (130 to 170).
I originally commented because I noticed you were spreading misinformation with "Just keep in mind that the average model weighs about %20 less than the average woman. " While it was statistically correct, you were misusing the assessment of it, and I wanted to make it clear why that number is so big (hint, models didn't really change their weight over the years).
This isn't "pseudo-intellectual bullshit" at all. If you actually took the time to click on any of my links you'd see postings by harvard, the cdc, and the national library of medicine.
I didn't comment on any art work featuring drugs because no one was saying "it's totally healthy to binge drink every day", or "not all heroin addicts die from and overdose, the media just makes it seem that way".
I had to google "pro-mia". Are you saying that, by not advocating obesity, that I'm advocating bulimia? What is that all about?
Cancer patients have no choice in the matter. Nor do old people or any other things you listed.
I'm not some sort of pro-euthanasia/eugenics nutjob. You make a lot of assumptions about me, and I really don't understand how you could take such leaps.
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I don't really understand how you can see something that says "I've been over this topic for a year" and STILL badger me about it- yet here we are. If you only have this account WHY are you talking to ME? If it's an adult only account why aren't you browsing adult only content? why don't you have any favs? why don't you comment on other peoples work? why is your ONLY activity in 5 months speaking to me? two topics I see you ignored.
It is impossible to judge someones health by looking at them. Not all fat people are unhealthy and their not. I'm not going to say they're all healthy either because that is also not true. But that's kind of the entire point I'm trying to make with you. why someone is fat does not matter their health is none of your concern.
"Fat people get plenty positive representation in real life. The only negative things I hear about it on the news are how it's a health crisis, but I digress."
Many things wrong with this statement. first off. NO fat people do NOT get positive representation in real life. in real life it's actually worse. You can get fired from your job for putting on too much weight or not hired at all. most big box clothing stores stop their sizes at a size 14. many people (my self included) are over a size 14 and frequently have to spend more money and resources obtaining suitable clothing which is sad that the plus size population have to work and spend more on clothing considering that on average? plus size individuals make less money than their thinner counterparts. they get denied or filtered out of results on dating sites, denied access to rides or life saving medical procedures. the second thing is- this chart is not about real life representation it's about it's fantasy representation in the media.
I did not fall back on the "not all are unhealthy bit" YOU are the one making that argument.
I love how you bust my balls for stating brigning up smokers but then here you are all fat people who have health problems have them currently but will at some point- when the exact same thing can be said about smokers... not ALL of them have cancer but they probbaly will. see how that works both ways? only one big difference...you can lose weight and you can correct diabetes you can't do much about cancer. All it takes is one cell mutation to start the out of control growth that IS cancer and that can happen at the puff of one cigarette or 1000.
I don't see you as a terrible person, I don't see you as anything other than a person who can't follow directions- this chart clearly has "leave me the fuck alone' on it and you saw that and went "lol, no" so I don't think or feel anything about you in particular but try to tell me how I feel again and it's not gonna end well for you buddy. I'm not exactly saying that you're a pro-euthanasia/eugenics nut job but you do sound an awful lot like the girl in this video.
"Models don't change their weight over the years"- wrong AGAIN The Miss USA winners weight has been decreasing on an almost steady scale for decades, they are getting progressively thinner. And this is often reflected in our models. It's also worth adding that it is currently harder to lose weight at THIS time than it has ever been in history.
"The true way to fix this issue is proper education on the subject. Not that many people understand what proper diet and nutrition involves."
This is...quite possibly...the most privileged statement I've ever seen in my life. Because it makes the assumption that even if people have the luxury of access to a proper education ( not everyone does) that they have the financial means to put that knowledge to good use. many people (myself included) live below the poverty line. And even if we have advanced knowledge on proper nutrition (which I do) we often cannot afford fresh fruits, veggies and lean meats because unfortunately we live in a society where the cheapest and most readily accessible food is oftentimes processed, sugar and salt laden garbage that is slowly killing us but it's better than starving. Now I know what you're thinking " but, just exercise! even if you can't afford to eat healthy just work it off!" three things wrong with this - one is it dooms fat people to a work out regimen that skinny people are except from, two it assumes everyone is able-bodied enough to work out and three who the FUCK wants to work out after they've worked 8/12/16 hour shifts at work (which I have) at one job or multiple ones. that task gets even more daunting when you factor in pets, children, spouses, elder parents to take care of. But i'm not surprised because fat politics and poor politics are tired very closely together and society as a whole hates on both.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but 30 pounds is Very Narrow. if you take your 115 woman and make her 30 pounds under weight she's either emaciated or dead. meanwhile someone could be 90 pounds over weight and still kicking and healthy. is 30 pounds is all that separates you from life and death...it's narrow.
"I had to google "pro-mia". Are you saying that, by not advocating obesity, that I'm advocating bulimia? What is that all about?"
did not say that, did not say anything ever close to that. What I said was WHY are you so hell bent on correcting ME!?...why don't you go bust the balls of some pro-mia / pro-ana blogger whose telling people stop eating and shit, that's WAY more damaging than MY message of " hey maybe everyone in media SHOULDN'T be a size 2" I also find your argument flawed.
"Seeing a 115 lbs model in a magazine doesn't constitute negative representation, just like seeing some ripped dude with a six pack isn't a negative representation of me."
Because not ONLY is that NOT what I said. it's wrong. I never said seeing a 115lb model in a magazine or in the media is negative representation. I said seeing ONLY 115lb models in the media is wrong. In my perfect world our media would be littered with models in many sizes! 115 and beyond! thin, ripped, fat and average should all have positive places in our collective media consumption. Seeing ONE ripped dude would not negatively effect your psyche. but if that's all you saw it would.
I'm sorry you wasted your time commenting because my information is correct and yours is not. Models have been, still are and probbaly always will be thinner than the average woman. Fashion models are not chosen because they look good in the clothing's they are wearing, they are chosen because they are small and the clothes hang off them. Models "looking good" has never been a concern for designers it's about the clothing looking good no matter the cost.
I took the opportunity to read your links and I'm not saying that their wrong. I trust the CDC and SOME medical journals. Here's the thing they do not account for bias. Most of society INCLUDING medical practitioners have a bias towards people of size they take one look at them and go "oh well their fat so they MUST have diabetes / high cholesterol" and things like that - so they test for it. While many thin people who also have these problems go untested for years because of the preconceived notion that thin = healthy and fat = unhealthy. If they test for it more they're going to find it and they don't test you unless you ask or unless your doctor recommends it (because they see you and think you're fat)
Now again as I stated before. I'm not saying that fat people CAN'T be unhealthy. They can be and some of them are. My question to YOU was... why do strangers owe you perfect healthy to be treated with respect and humanity and that is a question you chose not to answer. No one owes perfect healthy to anybody.
"I didn't comment on any art work featuring drugs because no one was saying "it's totally healthy to binge drink every day", or "not all heroin addicts die from and overdose, the media just makes it seem that way."
...Okay....?.... am I saying it's healthy to binge eat and survive off nothing but cakes and chips?... because I don't think I've said that anywhere...so... you just kinda shot yourself in the foot with your own logic.
"Cancer patients have no choice in the matter. Nor do old people or any other things you listed."
Okay......?.... Do you...honestly think that all fat people CHOOSE to be fat!? in our fat hating society do you believe anyone would CHOOSE that life!? Because I got some fuckin' news for ya if you do.
Some people are just fat and they learn to accept it, embrace it, or loath it.
This statement also excludes people who are fat because they have a medical condition. Hypothyroidism, medication side effect, disabled and can't work out, ETC, ETC. there are lost of people who are fat and can't do jack shit about that. So what.... do we talk shit about people who are fat because of poor diet / lack of exercise but we give a free pass to those with a medical condition? how can you tell? should we make them wear a patch that says "bad fatty" if they're just a lazy POS but "good fatty" if they have a medical condition?
What you are doing is called " concern trolling" and it needs to stop.
You also need to learn how to leave someone alone when it's very clear they want to be left alone. Before you got where I already had a thing on this deviation that said to leave me alone I'm over this topic- I told you in my last reply to you that I'm over this topic and I wish to be left alone. and I'm telling you AGAIN I'm over this topic and wish to be left alone. bet that's not gonna stop you tho is it?
Maybe this will, You sound an AWFUL lot like someone whom I knew though association with another friend. Someone I know who gets their kicks arguing with people for funsies. Because I get comments like this often after I've spoken to that friend and their usually in this tone of someone who used to argue with me for funsies MANY years ago. Because it has been so many years, if this is infarct whom I'm thinking of I'm going to be very angry with both you AND the friend You're associated with me by for bringing you into my life once again. If it is true... knock off the bull shit, you know I find you irritating and if you have something to say to me e-mail me like a normal person instead of pretending to be some concerned anonymous commenter.
If that's not true, please disregard the last paragraph.
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"I don't really understand how you can see something that says "I've been over this topic for a year" and STILL badger me about it- yet here we are. If you only have this account WHY are you talking to ME? If it's an adult only account why aren't you browsing adult only content? why don't you have any favs? why don't you comment on other peoples work? why is your ONLY activity in 5 months speaking to me? two topics I see you ignored."
-I made one reply to correct you. That was my original intent. You were referencing deceptive info and so I felt the need to let you know that it was false.
I don't use deviantart. I saw one post a long time ago that I needed an account to access. I don't even remember what it was that I signed up to see. I did acknowledge that briefly. You still seem to think I'm some stalker or whatever. I found this page through completely unrelated google searches.
"It is impossible to judge someones health by looking at them. Not all fat people are unhealthy and their not. I'm not going to say they're all healthy either because that is also not true. But that's kind of the entire point I'm trying to make with you. why someone is fat does not matter their health is none of your concern. "
-It really doesn't concern me. It's just a fact. If people want to be obese, let them. They are exposing themselves to a world of discomfort and health issues, as well as being less capable of being accommodated in this society, but that's their choice.
"Many things wrong with this statement. first off. NO fat people do NOT get positive representation in real life. in real life it's actually worse. You can get fired from your job for putting on too much weight or not hired at all. most big box clothing stores stop their sizes at a size 14. many people (my self included) are over a size 14 and frequently have to spend more money and resources obtaining suitable clothing which is sad that the plus size population have to work and spend more on clothing considering that on average? plus size individuals make less money than their thinner counterparts. they get denied or filtered out of results on dating sites, denied access to rides or life saving medical procedures. the second thing is- this chart is not about real life representation it's about it's fantasy representation in the media."
-You can't be discriminated against for physical appearance in the workplace, with few exceptions. No one wants a fat hooters girl. No one wants a fat model to try on their designer clothes (which are tailored in a certain way that require skinny, tall women).
The only time you hear of fat people being fired is because their condition makes them incapable of functioning as well as others on the job.
Also, stores aren't obligated to produce plus sized clothing. This was a complaint I saw with Abercrombie. The fact of the matter is, it probably isn't profitable to have to appeal to a smaller pool of people, while production costs will go up, and often, the clothes wont look as good anyway. A lot of clothes don't work well will excess fat. Don't forget that any good that appeals to a niche market costs more, including clothes. I paid $150 for a keyboard because it had 3 things most people don't care about.
As for dating sites, I'm pretty sure that's because people have ideal weights/body types they are attracted to, and specify as such. Getting matched up with someone who isn't attracted to overweight people would be a waste of your time, wouldn't it?
Seriously overweight people aren't denied access to rides because people dislike fat people, it's because either the ride can't handle the strain, or the seats wont fit them. This also applies to planes. On a side note, I think Samoa recently started charging by weight of the passenger, to cover the costs for the loss in fuel-efficiency (note: this isn't shaming, everyone's really fat there. they shame skinny people in Samoa)
As for being denied life saving procedures, that's because (1) they can't fit in the MRI and several things can't handle extreme weights (or scan through all the fat) and (2), because the risks of surgery get far greater when it's with a morbidly obese person. They heal slower, are far more likely to die on the table, and also tend to have tons of fat in the way, making procedures much more invasive.
"I love how you bust my balls for stating brigning up smokers but then here you are all fat people who have health problems have them currently but will at some point- when the exact same thing can be said about smokers... not ALL of them have cancer but they probbaly will. see how that works both ways? only one big difference...you can lose weight and you can correct diabetes you can't do much about cancer. All it takes is one cell mutation to start the out of control growth that IS cancer and that can happen at the puff of one cigarette or 1000."
-I'm against smoking, personally. I don't encourage smoking, as that leads to cancer and addiction. You can stop smoking, just like you can stop overeating. I'm not saying either is easy, but they are possible. Furthermore, the lack of acceptance for smoking has brought it down to an all-time low. You can treat diabetes, but it's still an added disease you have to live with for the rest of your life (as far as I know).
I don't see you as a terrible person, I don't see you as anything other than a person who can't follow directions- this chart clearly has "leave me the fuck alone' on it and you saw that and went "lol, no" so I don't think or feel anything about you in particular but try to tell me how I feel again and it's not gonna end well for you buddy. I'm not exactly saying that you're a pro-euthanasia/eugenics nut job but you do sound an awful lot like the girl in this video.
-If I sound like her, I think you're reading me wrong. I felt my typing was relatively monotone, if not light-hearted, but I guess that's something I have to work on. I don't think I've made any insults or attacks like that woman.
"'Models don't change their weight over the years'- wrong AGAIN The Miss USA winners weight has been decreasing on an almost steady scale for decades, they are getting progressively thinner. And this is often reflected in our models. It's also worth adding that it is currently harder to lose weight at THIS time than it has ever been in history."
-If you quote me, use direct quotes. Otherwise, you may be twisting my words. I said "models didn't really change their weight over the years" in the context of how average women have packed on way more pounds than models have taken off.
If you go far enough back, sure, models were usually not in the underweight range. They were never overweight though. Also, models have been skinny for a while. It goes as far back as the 60s if I recall correctly.
I've lived my whole life consuming cheap processed foods. My dinner used to always be something from the freezer, going directly into the microwave. I'm sure I've addressed this with the whole dieting thing. Keeping track of your calories and keeping to it will work.
'The true way to fix this issue is proper education on the subject. Not that many people understand what proper diet and nutrition involves.'
"This is...quite possibly...the most privileged statement I've ever seen in my life. Because it makes the assumption that even if people have the luxury of access to a proper education ( not everyone does) that they have the financial means to put that knowledge to good use. many people (myself included) live below the poverty line. And even if we have advanced knowledge on proper nutrition (which I do) we often cannot afford fresh fruits, veggies and lean meats because unfortunately we live in a society where the cheapest and most readily accessible food is oftentimes processed, sugar and salt laden garbage that is slowly killing us but it's better than starving. Now I know what you're thinking " but, just exercise! even if you can't afford to eat healthy just work it off!" three things wrong with this - one is it dooms fat people to a work out regimen that skinny people are except from, two it assumes everyone is able-bodied enough to work out and three who the FUCK wants to work out after they've worked 8/12/16 hour shifts at work (which I have) at one job or multiple ones. that task gets even more daunting when you factor in pets, children, spouses, elder parents to take care of. But i'm not surprised because fat politics and poor politics are tired very closely together and society as a whole hates on both."
-Proper education on dieting is a google search away. Look up something along the lines of "how to accurately count calories" and "caloric deficit". I've heard of plenty people taking off tons of weight (no pun intended) by joining online communities such as bodybuilding forums (www.youtube.com/watch?v=8svuSI… ) and getting the info they need. My health class in high school had a semester-long assignment where we had to count our calories on an excel document. It really is easy to do once you know how many calories each of your typical meals equal.
Also, it's not exactly expensive to eat less. Some might argue it's cheaper. As long as you don't live off of mcdonalds, it's very easy (and cheap) to get 2000 calories a day. You don't need to go all out and follow the food pyramid perfectly. While that sure is healthy, simply abstaining from overeating, or even soda and junk food, is healthier in itself.
I do advocate exercise, obviously, but I don't think it's that simple for weight loss. My father eats like a pig, and thinks he'll just burn it off by hopping on the elliptical machine. It really wont. You can take in way more calories from overeating than you can burn from general exercise. That's one of the main reasons so many people are fat, imo. Everyone is so quick to run for an hour and then reward themselves with a snack (and undo all their progress). When people say diet and exercise, it means people need both.
Personally, as someone from the other side of the spectrum, I'm more likely to lose weight if I'm busy all day. If I have a ton of stuff to do, I get all of that done before I eat again (generally speaking). I can think of several times where I skip meals because it'll take me out of focus (I blame that on my ADHD though), and so I get only one or two meals in that day.
Many skinny people already work out. Also, many people work out as the start of their day. I wouldn't call what I do a "work out," but I bike three miles to class every day, and try to keep my speed up.
"I'm sorry to burst your bubble but 30 pounds is Very Narrow. if you take your 115 woman and make her 30 pounds under weight she's either emaciated or dead. meanwhile someone could be 90 pounds over weight and still kicking and healthy. is 30 pounds is all that separates you from life and death...it's narrow."
-I was saying that you can be anywhere from 115 to 150 for that particular height (5'5") and be at a healthy weight. That's extremely easy to do. People don't normally fluctuate by 30 lbs. I'm guessing you've never been at 115, but I'll tell you it's extremely hard to lose 30 lbs off that. As you get lighter you require less calories to maintain your weight. To drop 30 pounds off that would require actual starvation. On the other hand, it's significantly easier to gain weight at the level. To clarify, in that range, you'd have to be 240 lbs to be "90 pounds overweight". I can assure you that is not healthy for someone at 5'5" (class II obesity).
'I had to google "pro-mia". Are you saying that, by not advocating obesity, that I'm advocating bulimia? What is that all about?'
did not say that, did not say anything ever close to that. What I said was WHY are you so hell bent on correcting ME!?...why don't you go bust the balls of some pro-mia / pro-ana blogger whose telling people stop eating and shit, that's WAY more damaging than MY message of " hey maybe everyone in media SHOULDN'T be a size 2" I also find your argument flawed.
-You're the one who mentioned pro-mia in regards to my arguments. I'm sure there's a fallacy for calling my argument a fallacy.
'Seeing a 115 lbs model in a magazine doesn't constitute negative representation, just like seeing some ripped dude with a six pack isn't a negative representation of me.'
Because not ONLY is that NOT what I said. it's wrong. I never said seeing a 115lb model in a magazine or in the media is negative representation. I said seeing ONLY 115lb models in the media is wrong. In my perfect world our media would be littered with models in many sizes! 115 and beyond! thin, ripped, fat and average should all have positive places in our collective media consumption. Seeing ONE ripped dude would not negatively effect your psyche. but if that's all you saw it would.
-Most guy models are ripped. Those abercrombie and fitch guys have an 8 pack, and every other photographed dude in that light has something along those lines. Not everything should be about feelings. There are reasons skinny women, and fit guys are used as models. I've never once felt hurt by seeing a guy who looked better than me. More often than not, I'm curious what exercises he does.
"I'm sorry you wasted your time commenting because my information is correct and yours is not. Models have been, still are and probbaly always will be thinner than the average woman. Fashion models are not chosen because they look good in the clothing's they are wearing, they are chosen because they are small and the clothes hang off them. Models "looking good" has never been a concern for designers it's about the clothing looking good no matter the cost.
I took the opportunity to read your links and I'm not saying that their wrong. I trust the CDC and SOME medical journals. Here's the thing they do not account for bias. Most of society INCLUDING medical practitioners have a bias towards people of size they take one look at them and go "oh well their fat so they MUST have diabetes / high cholesterol" and things like that - so they test for it. While many thin people who also have these problems go untested for years because of the preconceived notion that thin = healthy and fat = unhealthy. If they test for it more they're going to find it and they don't test you unless you ask or unless your doctor recommends it (because they see you and think you're fat)"
-Your information is a bunch of youtube videos and articles. Medical journals are peer-reviewed, and usually cover whether or not there is a bias. Medicine is a science, and like science, it thrives on facts. You claim my sources can have bias, and yet you are linking some feminist website, some body positivity youtubers, and linking one batshit lady in a reaction video.
Are you saying it's not a good idea to screen people who are high at risk for diabetes and high cholesterol? Obesity significantly increases your risks for this, hence why they check. It's just like checking and IV drug user for HIV.
Maybe the doctors are getting at something when they see fat? It may not be a bias, being that there is a significant agreement between the medical field as a whole, that obesity is unhealthy.
"Now again as I stated before. I'm not saying that fat people CAN'T be unhealthy. They can be and some of them are. My question to YOU was... why do strangers owe you perfect healthy to be treated with respect and humanity and that is a question you chose not to answer. No one owes perfect healthy to anybody."
-This was a simple correction turned into a debate by you. First off, I don't care if someone's fat or not. It isn't my burden immediately. You're using apologetics. Sure, not all obese people are unhealthy. Most are. That's what I'm saying. It's not a light issue either, as we further strain the country by having to get reinforced toilets, larger MRIs (which, while costing billions of dollars, it will be less effective than normal anyways), significantly more health issues, and people who need government support because they are too fat to work.
With that aside, it's more of a service to themselves.
I mainly care about people promoting fatness, as that is backwards thought and making the current issue much worse.
"Do you...honestly think that all fat people CHOOSE to be fat!? in our fat hating society do you believe anyone would CHOOSE that life!? Because I got some fuckin' news for ya if you do.
Some people are just fat and they learn to accept it, embrace it, or loath it. "
-Yes. People, whether they want to be fat or not, choose to overeat. This is a fact. You will never get fat if you don't consistently overeat. You will lose weight if you under eat. One of my teachers is fat as hell, and already lost 30 pounds because he's been on a 1000 calorie diet for a while.
"This statement also excludes people who are fat because they have a medical condition. Hypothyroidism, medication side effect, disabled and can't work out, ETC, ETC. there are lost of people who are fat and can't do jack shit about that. So what.... do we talk shit about people who are fat because of poor diet / lack of exercise but we give a free pass to those with a medical condition? how can you tell? should we make them wear a patch that says "bad fatty" if they're just a lazy POS but "good fatty" if they have a medical condition?"
-Condition or not, while they can account for some weight gain, being 100 pounds overweight is their own doing. My mother has a thyroid disorder and she's not obese. Working out doesn't matter if you eat accordingly. You burn 1500 calories a day just by being alive (at least someone my weight. Fatter people burn more).
"What you are doing is called " concern trolling" and it needs to stop."
-What a great new tumblr word. I'll remember it.
I love how it's first point was the whole "bmi doesn't apply to body builders, so it doesn't apply to me either" argument. This whole page is bs. Not only is that page irrelevant to my stance, it actively ignores every study that shows a correlation between obesity and disease. Sure, a study says weight loss doesn't reduce risk factors from one thing, but that does not mean that being overweight doesn't bring along tons of health issues.
Seriously, you can use any website like that to argue your point. I just read a guardian article about how ADHD is fake, despite a vast agreement among practically every person in the medical field that it is real.
I decided not to use this word earlier, but since you like your own, I figure I'll mention it. The word is called spin. This is when people use a biased interpretation of facts to make their argument seem more legitimate. FOX news does this tons, as do the people you've referenced.
"You also need to learn how to leave someone alone when it's very clear they want to be left alone. Before you got where I already had a thing on this deviation that said to leave me alone I'm over this topic- I told you in my last reply to you that I'm over this topic and I wish to be left alone. and I'm telling you AGAIN I'm over this topic and wish to be left alone. bet that's not gonna stop you tho is it?"
-Again, my intent was that to make that one post. The first reply I made did not seem like an invitation to a debate, right? All I did was mention how your statement was incorrect and provided some information to reveal that. You can not argue that the average woman has not gotten fatter. That is undeniably true.
The information I've posted is absolutely true. If you disagree, I recommend reading something that you didn't get from a pop website. While you may not have access to a research database like ebscohost, there is plenty information you can find on your own through .gov and .edu sites. You're clearly passionate about your views, so I'd highly recommend you find whether or not those agree or disagree with your beliefs.
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After reading all of this I've come to a conclusion.
You don't know what you're talking about and it's not worth my time to explain it to you.
Peace out.
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Lol okay, keep lying to yourself.
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Eh...it's just we live in America. Home of KFC, the fried Oreo, etc.... As you say, pudgy or fat to any extent is not BAD, just a physical characteristic. It's just that here in Alabama--one of the "fattest" states in the US--I know many 30+ mothers slimmer than you average here.
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No, that's just the human condition. we're not to meant to be extremely thin.
also it's very short sighted to believe that people who are fat are so of their own free will, living off a diet of as you say 'KFC & Oreos" when the reality is a great deal of the American population is living below the poverty line and it's a lot cheaper to eat fast food / junk food than it is to eat "healthy"... fresh fruits and veggies are a luxury, not a right.
Good for your 30+ slim mothers?... I don't understand what the adds to the conversation? no matter how many people you know it's a very small sample size when you take in account every woman in the country. living in various states of health and wealth.
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I like all except buff, kate moss, fat and boteroesque. Just bein' honest.
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Congratulations, You're roughly 98% of the population.
do you want a cookie?
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I'm hourglass...Skinny but Not so athletic. I'm too lazy for that.
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as long as you're happy!
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The Kate Moss body type killed me. I'm dying of laughter. XD
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well. this chart isn't meant for you to "find yourself" it's meant to see what types are out there for you to draw.
but if you are, why is that a sad thing? there is nothing wrong or bad about being fat.
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I know.
You are very versatile. uvu
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well cupcakes I took a peek at your gallery, your face is cute and so is your body. whatever is troubling you is nothing to be concerned about. you are perfect just as you are.
and even if you weren't? who cares, you don't exist to be visually appealing to others. you exsist to be the best you, that you can be, make art and have fun with the life that you have 8)
aw, thank you! that's very kind.
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me athletic but with a big ass
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pudgy and pear shaped cause i got a belly lol
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I'm glad that you know more about the correct way to draw a woman's body rather than just using the "sexy" one on the chart. My art style is loosely inspired from Tim Burton, and as a result, I usually draw women with long limbs, stretched-out torsos, long, slender fingers and necks, and usually very little chest because my style is cartoony and because I want them to have a "creepy + graceful" look. (More like the "petite" one.)
Your chart is pretty helpful for reference if I want to draw a woman with a different body type, though. I've been working on how to draw the "athletic female" one, because that's hard for me, and I am also working on drawing the body molds for elderly women (in my style, they are often slightly emaciated and bent over), and I even have a female character with a hunchbacked body mold (think Igor).
Thanks for making this chart because I find the elderly, the deformed, and muscular or fat people to be extremely hard to draw. When I draw muscular people (and by that I mean with biceps and abs and stuff), I always accidentally make them look like gorillas and make them way taller than they should be. When I draw fat people, they are uniformly 5 feet tall, it seems, and as I do NOT want to get detailed on flab rolls and stuff, I always make them have arms as long as their torsos and really short legs. XD
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Thank you for the thought! I really appreciate that my chart made an impact on you! I love Tim Burton. his work is uniquely creepy and unsettling. One thing though: the features you just described? "Long limbs, stretched-out torsos, long, slender fingers and necks, and usually very little chest" is pretty common traits that just about everyone who wants to draw thin, idealized "perfect" figures uses. it's not Tim Burtons fault he largely sticks to this limited set of guidelines when it comes to drawing humans, he is the product of a thin obsessed society who largely ignore the fact that plus size or muscular people even exist, let alone would think about including them in their cartoons.
THAT BEING SAID; Tim Burton has drawn plus sized women - I can't find his sketchbook but he does have plus size female characters and has drawn plus size males. so obviously he's drawn them at some point and they don't look any less burtonesque but because they are bigger folks and is a style is successful no body should look any less like the artists style just because they're shaped differently. Winx club style is notorious for sticking to slender and only slender female forms - but if I tried really hard I could probably draw a muscular winx club babe and have her still look like she belongs in the winx universe. that is one of the many challenges we face as artists!
Unfortunately. most drawing books and even classes just focused on teaching us how to draw ONE body. thin, young, toned and usually white. This is a huge problenm for artists who wnat to diversify their cast because half of the time we aren't even aware that we are doing it. you have to go out of your way to learn how to draw the plus size, the muscular, the deformed and the elderly because as a society we "don't like to see these things" especially in women, it's sad but it is true. it's sad because we know real people don't just come in that one type I mentioned. they come in SO MUCH MORE. people's skin color range from albino white to black as the night. some are thin some are fat some have rippling muscles, some have pimples, crooked teeth, ratty hair, scars, body hair, freckles, cleft chins, big eye brows, tattoos, piercings, prosthetic limbs, wrinkles - I could go ON of the literally hundreds of thousands of combinations human beings come in - but we don't utilize this chex mix bag of traits, because not all of them are "pretty" so we stick to the "safe", cute features. MAYBE toss some one a bone every now and then and give someone buck teeth or freckles but for the most part these things go unnoticed and ignored unless it's to mock an individual.
I'm really excited to hear that you are interesting in drawing different bodies! this is excellent! every artist should want to learn this! it's really a great skill to have! the best tutorial I've ever found for drawing chubby ladies is this one. I recommended it to everyone and it usually helps them, I hope it helps you! in case it doesn't here is another one I think suits your art needs. If you would like to see more, I have more in my journal. and I have a very fast and basic cheat sheet I made myself.
I really like your art style and I think you have a lot of potential! keep going and keep growing!
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Thank you! The fact that 90% of humans I draw are willowy-like has more to do with easiness to draw, the art style itself, and aesthetic reasons. I think that it may be a "write what you know" thing, and I tend to focus on the head the most out of the body. Drawing a character's face and hair is just fun to mess around with. So, yeah, giving a character a thin body allows you to look more at the head.
Another reason may be that a major feature of my style is that most, if not all, physical features are symbolic of the character's personality. For instance, a girl's cateye glasses can indicate her nerdy-yet-cute personality, or a character's mismatched socks may indicate madness. Same with body types. The standard ones for my characters do not indicate any personality traits, but I usually use a character's musculature to indicate that they are athletic, strong, and likely won't give up without a fight. If a character is fat, that can be either mild laziness at best and downright hedonism at worst. Again, based on experiences with people in the last two categories.
Humans are genetically diverse, and over time, we have come to associate this with this and that with that. Is this okay if I draw this way?
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well, drawing diverse bodies. is a lot like drawing anything else- you have to learn how to do it and you don't get better at it by avoiding it. like...I really hate drawing feet... but I couldn't just give everyone I draw bloody stumps of no feet at all - so i had to learn. Now I'm kind of okay at drawing feet.
if you like drawing faces and heads, then draw more portraits- don't make everyone the same size because of this, because I'm gonna be honest with you babe... it sounds like an excuse and a pretty lame one at that. people are constantly looking for excuses to justify excluding different bodies (especially big ones) from their art and I've heard them all - that's a new one. but it's not a good one.
THAT last statement however?... is super inaccurate, based on negative stereotypes and 100% not true. and no, it's not okay to draw based on a very limited number because it reenforced bad things about not bad people.
to say that all big bodies represent laziness / hedonism and all thin bodies represent nothing... is bad for BOTH of those body types. Because you're basically that all fat people are losers and all skinny people are lucky / didn't work hard for the body they have. that skinny is the 'default" human being and everyone else is "other" and that is simply not true. Fat people compete in the Olympics. they are just as strong, fast and able as any thin person who works hard at their craft. the Olympics are easily the peak of human psychical fitness and Olympians come in many sizes, fat, skinny, muscular, short, amputated and so on. Some thin people go to extremes to get the body they have, they starve, they crazy exercise, they calorie count- and some do nothing...they just have "good genes"
so, really... a characters body can say whatever you want it to say. If people wan't to believe negative sterotypes about a person based on the body they have, that's entirely their problem and not the problem of the body they're looking at.
to say that any ONE body means this or that... is a stereotype. that would be like saying that "the 9/11 terrorists we're Muslim! so every Muslim person must be a terrorist!" that's racism. and to assume anything about a person based on their weight? is sizeism.
You can never tell a persons health or level of physical fitness level just by looking at them. to assume all fat people are unhealthy is like assuming that all skinny people are healthy - and we know the second one isn't true, so why would the first one be?
you could make a fat super hero... or a skinny lazy degenerate bum. how the character turns out is based on how you portray them.
but please don't buy into stereotypes. I don't know how old you are but you're still in school and way too young to be thinking in such a narrow way. I suggest checking out some of the links I provided in the description of this. it may open your mind a little 8)
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I don't mean to be offensive.
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well, that's gonna be offensive to a lot of people unless you work on it.
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I never mean my drawings to be offensive. And to get it off my chest-I actually do feel uncomfortable drawing fat people most of the time for reasons I don't know.
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The drawings themselves?... are probably not offensive. but you're attitude towards the plus size population is. And people looking at your gallery will notice if you treat them differently. the audience is very aware of what's missing. they always are.
I gotta give you some credit, you at least have SOME plus size people in your gallery which is saying something since on average most artists have zero. however if all you're portraying them as is lazy and gluttonous.... I don't know if this is a good thing.
It's unfortunate that you feel that way, but not surprising since our society as a whole hates fat people and does whatever it can to bring them down. As for you, if you want a career in art / animation / comics, you're going to have to get over yourself if you want to survive and thrive. Because your audience / watchers? come in many shapes, sizes and colors and they are going to want to see themselves represented in good ways.
But hey... If you want to rehash the same old stories and stereotypes that have been retold by literally everyone a thousand times over and over again, I can't stop you.
I gave you the tools to be revolutionary, these are things it took me time to learn the hard way. If you don't want to use them, that's on you.
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I'm sorry, but I do try to diversify my cast and I don't really HATE fat people as a whole, but most of the ones I know are like this. I'm not saying that all are, it's just that a good percentage of the ones I've met are. In fact, I write from experiences most of the time. I'm sorry if you don't like me because of this.
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