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I have heard sooo many definitions of a Mary Sue that it's ridiculous


Here are the definitions I've found through the internet:

1) A character who is idealistic, lacking flaws, an overidealized self-insertion of the player, unrealistic, or characterized by several cliched and archetypical traits, including physical appearance, nomenclature, history, and personality.

2) A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader. It is generally accepted as a character whose positive aspects overwhelm their other traits until they become one-dimensional.


And here are the characteristics I found with the definitions:

a) The term is also associated with clichΓ© such as exotic hair and eye colors, mystical or superhuman powers, exotic pets, possessions, or origins, or an unusually tragic past, especially when these things are glaringly out of step with the consistency of the canon.

b) The term is more broadly associated with characters who are exceptionally and improbably lucky. The good luck may involve romance ("Mary Sue" always gets her man); adventure ("Mary Sue" always wins a fight or knows how to solve the puzzle) and popularity (the "right people" seem to gravitate towards the character).

c) "Everything goes her way" is a common criticism regarding "Mary Sues", the implication being that the character's inability to fail makes her insufficiently humanized or challenged to be interesting or sympathetic.


This is what I've found. However, I've noticed more and more "cliches" seem to be popping up on the Mary Sue list. One I recently heard was if your character is blonde, she's likely a Mary Sue.



Yeah. I don't buy that. Anyway, what do you think characterizes a Mary Sue? Big busts? Ultra skinny no matter how much she eats (unless that's a special trait for that fandom)? Has all the men falling for her? Has all the bad guys falling for her?

Do tell

Oh, yes, and while I'm at it: I have nothing against self-insertions. They can actually make for incredibly interesting stories-- if done realistically-- and yes, it's possible. I've seen and had friends who've done it ;3

And finally: no bashing on people's characters. Don't you go naming them on here with links and some crap like that-- no matter how Mary Sueish they are. I don't want people being bashed or being given out for trolls. Thanks ahead for understanding
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ErikaDaniel98 In reply to ??? [2012-07-03 14:29:42 +0000 UTC]

Sure, there are occasionally some sickeningly over-the-top characters that shouldn't exist
Like Fluttershy from MLP?

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ChikitaWolf In reply to ??? [2011-08-09 17:20:51 +0000 UTC]

It really is :/ I pretty much just us it for incredibly over the top characters in fandoms I mean, a character ought to have something special about them, right?

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AngelAndChangeling In reply to ChikitaWolf [2011-08-09 17:59:24 +0000 UTC]

Precisely! In fact, most of the "Mary Sue Litmus Tests" available online seem to want to scrap every character in existence- I took one using myself as the "character" and was told I should probably just scrap myself and start over.

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ChikitaWolf In reply to AngelAndChangeling [2011-08-09 23:04:01 +0000 UTC]

I look for the tests that have an add up points kinda deal. Like if your points add up to in between 9 and 17 your character is "original"

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AngelAndChangeling In reply to ChikitaWolf [2011-08-10 00:04:25 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's the kind I usually use. They're all so very different, though, that sometimes I'm just like "forget it."

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ChikitaWolf In reply to AngelAndChangeling [2011-08-10 00:35:55 +0000 UTC]

Yeah >3>

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SilverWingz12 In reply to ??? [2011-08-09 17:18:16 +0000 UTC]

The first def, I think- in my eyes, a Mary- Sue is a character who has many cliche traits.

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ChikitaWolf In reply to SilverWingz12 [2011-08-09 17:21:08 +0000 UTC]

Problem is: defining those cliche traits >3<"

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SilverWingz12 In reply to ChikitaWolf [2011-08-09 17:25:55 +0000 UTC]

I'd say, same as you: consistently thin, loved by all (or sometimes hated by all), remarkably attractive, good with weapons/powers/ect., ... I could go on...
(though I don't want to be hypocritical, I probably spawn as many Mary- Sues as the next person...

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ChikitaWolf In reply to SilverWingz12 [2011-08-09 17:30:14 +0000 UTC]

It's kinda an iffy subject

Personally, I really don't mind Mary Sues-- though it can be aggrivating to see an utterly perfect character who makes all other characters OOC >3<"

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SilverWingz12 In reply to ChikitaWolf [2011-08-09 17:33:40 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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FlawlesslyArtistic [2011-08-09 17:17:28 +0000 UTC]

Mary-sue: A female character that is perfect in every way, shape and form :3 There for, a good number of "mary-sues" on this site, are not mary-sues :3

This is my definition

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ChikitaWolf In reply to FlawlesslyArtistic [2011-08-09 17:21:34 +0000 UTC]

Wonderful and to the point definition

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FlawlesslyArtistic In reply to ChikitaWolf [2011-08-09 17:23:26 +0000 UTC]

I made my own definition after seeing all the ridiculous others. xD

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ChikitaWolf In reply to FlawlesslyArtistic [2011-08-09 17:27:01 +0000 UTC]

Haha, that's completely understandable x'D

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